Israeli Planes Attack Gaza Targets

[Goober]

Like I said: No cargo officially goes in or out of Gaza without going through Israel first. The official crossing to Egypt is for people only.

Sure Egypt allows an unlimited amount of crappy grade gasoline to be smuggled into Gaza. I was referring to how Israel interferes with humanitarian food and medical aid. But if you want to count this smuggled crap gasoline as humanitarian aid, go ahead.

Apparently that crap is so bad it could be counted as deliberate sabotage, considering what it does to engines.

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Petrol and diesel for private cars and public transportation have not been imported from Israel since November 2, 2008, except for a small amount for UNRWA. The union of Gaza's gas station owners estimates that some 100,000 liters of diesel and 70,000 liters of petrol are brought through the tunnels daily. Egypt, which in the past two months has been restricting the trade movement through the tunnels, does not limit the supply of gas and fuel. But since Egyptian fuel is heavier than Israeli fuel, it damages the newer cars in Gaza and causes malfunctions.

Amira Hass / Israel bans books, music and clothes from entering Gaza - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

How do they get all the weapons in. Teleportation.

 

[earth_as_one]

I wasn't referring to what's smuggled, just what officially passes through Israel's humanitarian aid blockade.

Technically Egypt does not export gasoline or other goods and services to Gaza. They look the other way as fuel tankers and trucks come and go at the Gaza border. For all they know officially, Rafah consumes a lot of fuel, cement, consumer goods... and other goods which are then smuggled into Gaza.

Weapons and arms? What weapons and arms? Go to Rafah and I bet you won't see a single rocket being smuggled through a tunnel. They just magically appear in Gaza.

June 16, 2011




In no particular order of importance, we thought we’d list some of the reasons why the opening of Rafah, while significant and helpful, doesn’t meet all of Gaza’s needs for access and why, as some voices in Israel have recently suggested, it can’t serve as Gaza’s only access point. Despite four unanticipated days of closure last week, the crossing has been operating for the passage of travelers on a more regular but still semi-limited basis.

1. Passage through the crossing remains limited: Egypt has indicated that it will operate the crossing six days per week during regular working hours, but it seems this won’t be enough: between 400 – 450 individuals have been able to travel through the crossing per day from Gaza to Egypt. From November 2005 to June 2006, approximately 660 passengers per day exited the Gaza Strip through Rafah and according to the Palestinian Crossings Authority, 10,000 people are currently waiting to travel.
2. The situation is unstable: As last week’s closure of the crossing indicates, the situation on both sides of Rafah remains unstable, such that it’s not clear whether the crossing will remain open, nor exactly to what degree.
3. Rafah doesn’t lead to the West Bank: Travel and movement of goods between Gaza and the West Bank remains severely limited, a problem which Rafah cannot address, as goods and Gaza ID holders are not allowed into the West Bank even via the Egypt-Jordan route. The West Bank and the Gaza Strip are part of the same customs envelope, and are recognized, including by Israel, as a single territorial unit, which, despite four years of tight closure, still shares one economy, one education system, one healthcare system and countless familial and social ties. Rafah Crossing, June 2011. Photo: Mohammed Azaiza, Gisha
4. Export is not moving and not through Rafah either: Export remains severely limited (about 2 truckloads per day, the last of which left Gaza on May 12, 2011, compared with a target of 400 per day in the Agreement on Movement and Access) and is currently not taking place through Rafah at all. This is impacting industries across Gaza which used to sell or export their wares in Israel, the West Bank and abroad. Before the closure, the vast majority of Gaza’s “exports” were sold in Israel and the West Bank.
5. Construction materials do not enter through Rafah: Construction materials are being let into Gaza via Kerem Shalom only (between Israel and Gaza) for approved projects undertaken by international organizations and following exceedingly lengthy bureaucratic procedures. Each month since January 2011, about 10% of what entered monthly in the years prior to June 2007 has entered for these specific projects. At present, Egyptian authorities have not indicated if or when they will allow construction materials to pass at Rafah.
6. Import of goods does not take place at Rafah: Imports to the Strip purchased by the private sector enter Gaza from Israel via Kerem Shalom Crossing. Even if Egypt were to allow goods to enter at Rafah (and there is no indication that they intend to do so nor when) the crossing and surrounding roadways are not currently equipped to handle the transfer of large quantities of goods, on the scale of the access needs of the Strip. Rafah Crossing, June 2011. Photo: Mohammed Azaiza, Gisha
7. Humanitarian aid does not regularly enter through Rafah: Aid enters Gaza via Kerem Shalom Crossing, between Gaza and Israel. At present, Egyptian authorities have not indicated if or when they will allow convoys of humanitarian aid to pass at Rafah.
8. Medical patients in need of treatment not available in Gaza cannot always make the long journey to Egyptian hospitals. In any case, Palestinian hospitals in east Jerusalem and the West Bank, part of a common Palestinian health care system, are there to serve all residents of the Palestinian territory, including Gaza residents.
9. Reports prove it: Restrictions on access at the crossings between Israel and Gaza (at Kerem Shalom for goods and Erez for people) continue to impact the well-being of residents of the Strip. Yesterday UNRWA published a study showing high rates of unemployment and the Association for International Development Agencies also reportedrecently on how limits on the entrance of construction materials primarily impacts the work of aid agencies and residents of Gaza.

The top 10 reasons why the opening of Rafah Crossing just doesn’t cut it | Gaza Gateway | Facts and Analysis about the Crossings

 

[gore0bsessed]

You said that before in one of your other incarnations. You ignored it when I proved it then. Just like how you ignored Egypt now.

You didn't prove it, it's not a reality. There is an embargo and the Israeli's watch over carefully what goes in and out of Gaza so how can anything go unhindered?

Even sick Gazans have trouble getting to Israel for medical aid.

 

[CDNBear]

I wasn't referring to what's smuggled, just what officially passes through Israel's humanitarian aid blockade.

Technically Egypt does not export gasoline or other goods and services to Gaza. They look the other way as fuel tankers and trucks come and go at the Gaza border. For all they know officially, Rafah consumes a lot of fuel, cement, consumer goods... and other goods which are then smuggled into Gaza.

Weapons and arms? What weapons and arms? Go to Rafah and I bet you won't see a single rocket being smuggled through a tunnel. They just magically appear in Gaza.

June 16, 2011




In no particular order of importance, we thought we’d list some of the reasons why the opening of Rafah, while significant and helpful, doesn’t meet all of Gaza’s needs for access and why, as some voices in Israel have recently suggested, it can’t serve as Gaza’s only access point. Despite four unanticipated days of closure last week, the crossing has been operating for the passage of travelers on a more regular but still semi-limited basis.

1. Passage through the crossing remains limited: Egypt has indicated that it will operate the crossing six days per week during regular working hours, but it seems this won’t be enough: between 400 – 450 individuals have been able to travel through the crossing per day from Gaza to Egypt. From November 2005 to June 2006, approximately 660 passengers per day exited the Gaza Strip through Rafah and according to the Palestinian Crossings Authority, 10,000 people are currently waiting to travel.
2. The situation is unstable: As last week’s closure of the crossing indicates, the situation on both sides of Rafah remains unstable, such that it’s not clear whether the crossing will remain open, nor exactly to what degree.
3. Rafah doesn’t lead to the West Bank: Travel and movement of goods between Gaza and the West Bank remains severely limited, a problem which Rafah cannot address, as goods and Gaza ID holders are not allowed into the West Bank even via the Egypt-Jordan route. The West Bank and the Gaza Strip are part of the same customs envelope, and are recognized, including by Israel, as a single territorial unit, which, despite four years of tight closure, still shares one economy, one education system, one healthcare system and countless familial and social ties. Rafah Crossing, June 2011. Photo: Mohammed Azaiza, Gisha
4. Export is not moving and not through Rafah either: Export remains severely limited (about 2 truckloads per day, the last of which left Gaza on May 12, 2011, compared with a target of 400 per day in the Agreement on Movement and Access) and is currently not taking place through Rafah at all. This is impacting industries across Gaza which used to sell or export their wares in Israel, the West Bank and abroad. Before the closure, the vast majority of Gaza’s “exports” were sold in Israel and the West Bank.
5. Construction materials do not enter through Rafah: Construction materials are being let into Gaza via Kerem Shalom only (between Israel and Gaza) for approved projects undertaken by international organizations and following exceedingly lengthy bureaucratic procedures. Each month since January 2011, about 10% of what entered monthly in the years prior to June 2007 has entered for these specific projects. At present, Egyptian authorities have not indicated if or when they will allow construction materials to pass at Rafah.
6. Import of goods does not take place at Rafah: Imports to the Strip purchased by the private sector enter Gaza from Israel via Kerem Shalom Crossing. Even if Egypt were to allow goods to enter at Rafah (and there is no indication that they intend to do so nor when) the crossing and surrounding roadways are not currently equipped to handle the transfer of large quantities of goods, on the scale of the access needs of the Strip. Rafah Crossing, June 2011. Photo: Mohammed Azaiza, Gisha
7. Humanitarian aid does not regularly enter through Rafah: Aid enters Gaza via Kerem Shalom Crossing, between Gaza and Israel. At present, Egyptian authorities have not indicated if or when they will allow convoys of humanitarian aid to pass at Rafah.
8. Medical patients in need of treatment not available in Gaza cannot always make the long journey to Egyptian hospitals. In any case, Palestinian hospitals in east Jerusalem and the West Bank, part of a common Palestinian health care system, are there to serve all residents of the Palestinian territory, including Gaza residents.
9. Reports prove it: Restrictions on access at the crossings between Israel and Gaza (at Kerem Shalom for goods and Erez for people) continue to impact the well-being of residents of the Strip. Yesterday UNRWA published a study showing high rates of unemployment and the Association for International Development Agencies also reportedrecently on how limits on the entrance of construction materials primarily impacts the work of aid agencies and residents of Gaza.

The top 10 reasons why the opening of Rafah Crossing just doesn’t cut it | Gaza Gateway | Facts and Analysis about the Crossings

Go ahead, keep lying so you can keep justifying your demonization of Israel

You didn't prove it, it's not a reality.

Yes and no. EAO proved it, and it is reality.

You know how I know it's reality?

Post #1523185 - Re: Israeli Planes Attack Gaza Targets Bad gore0bsessed

Because you gave me a thumbs down for it. You only do that when I'm right.

 

[Goober]

I wasn't referring to what's smuggled, just what officially passes through Israel's humanitarian aid blockade.

Then you would be unaware of the arms/,missile manufacturing that are set up on the Egyptian side and then as you state they are then smuggled across to Gaza.

Do you think the Egyptian Govt is unaware of these facilities?

 

[earth_as_one]

Then you would be unaware of the arms/,missile manufacturing that are set up on the Egyptian side and then as you state they are then smuggled across to Gaza.

Do you think the Egyptian Govt is unaware of these facilities?

As far as I'm concerned this is our little secret Goober. I won't tell the Egyptian government if you don't tell them...

Even if the people at the top of the Egyptian government wanted to stop the smuggling they can't. There are too many people involved making too much money. The border between Gaza and Rafah must look like Swiss cheese.

 

[Colpy]

Even sick Gazans have trouble getting to Israel for medical aid.

You really don't see how completely ridiculous that statement is, do you?

ROTFLMAO.

Can't see the forest for the trees.

It's hilarious.

Care to run that one by me again??

Gazans are going WHERE for treatment?????

 

[petros]

All I Want for Christmas Is... Jews - YouTube

She dances around like one of the tweekers at the cornerstore.

 

[ironsides]

You didn't prove it, it's not a reality. There is an embargo and the Israeli's watch over carefully what goes in and out of Gaza so how can anything go unhindered?

Even sick Gazans have trouble getting to Israel for medical aid.

They also can go to Egypt if they have something against Israel. Over 7,000 Gazans go to local hospital's in Israel.

 

[petros]

If they are paying taxes to Israel I damn well hope they use Israeli hospitals.

 

[earth_as_one]

Here's why:

front of the Wafa hospital, used as target practise by IOF soldiers invading from eastern Gaza-Israel Green Line border during 2008-2009 Israeli war on Gaza

The streets leading from the seriously-damaged Wafa rehabilitation centre in Sheijaiyee were filled with black filth smelling of sewage. The hospital, attacked on January 12th with a chemical bomb that may well be white phosphorus and which set fire to the roof, and whose 4 different buildings were shelled intensely on January 15th, is trying to re-build and re-open, as is the shelled, burned, seriously-damaged al Quds hospital in Tel el Hawa, Gaza city.
Even today, after mentioning to the Canadian TV crew accompanying me that fire blobs had burned up to yesterday, we found still more blobs spread out, smoldering and willingly breaking into white smoking fires anew.
front of the Wafa hospital, used as target practise by IOF soldiers invading from eastern Gaza-Israel Green Line border during 2008-2009 Israeli war on Gaza
inside the Wafa rehab hospital, room shelled by invading Israeli army after invalid patients had been hastily moved to western side of hospital
inside the Wafa rehab hospital, room shelled by invading Israeli army after invalid patients had been hastily moved to western side of hospital
inside the Wafa rehab hospital, room shelled by invading Israeli army after invalid patients had been hastily moved to western side of hospital
inside the Wafa rehab hospital, room shelled by invading Israeli army after invalid patients had been hastily moved to western side of hospital
inside the Wafa rehab hospital, room shelled by invading Israeli army after invalid patients had been hastily moved to western side of hospital
inside the Wafa rehab hospital, room shelled by invading Israeli army after invalid patients had been hastily moved to western side of hospital
inside the Wafa rehab hospital, room shelled by invading Israeli army after invalid patients had been hastily moved to western side of hospital
inside the Wafa rehab hospital after attacked by Israeli army shelling and machine gun firing during 2008-2009 Israeli war on Gaza
the Wafa rehab hospital after attacked by Israeli army shelling and machine gun firing during 2008-2009 Israeli war on Gaza
home for the elderly, shelled and badly damaged
wafa home for the elderly, shelled and badly damaged
wafa new rehab complex badly damaged from Israeli shelling
wafa new rehab complex badly damaged from Israeli shelling
generator for wafa new rehab complex badly damaged from Israeli shelling
wafa new rehab complex badly damaged from Israeli shelling
phosphorous still ignited many days after the Israeli shelling of the hospital complex

 

[petros]

 

[earth_as_one]

 

[CDNBear]

Here's why:

I'll take "Why you shouldn't use your hospital to attack the IDF" for $1000 Alex.

Or...

I'll take "Why should you rebuild your hospital, before you build a new mall or Olympic sized swimming pool" for $1000 Alex.