Israeli court rejects US activist's family lawsuit

[earth_as_one]

Yet she was a member of the ISM... a group that supports violence against Israel and provides assistance to the Islamic Jihad.

I'm not sure where you got that information, but the ISM has never advocated violence against anyone. Please post a link

The accusation that the ISM aided a terrorist group has to do with a single incident where the IDF was chasing a member of the Islamic Jihad after curfew through the streets of Jenin during a rainstorm and he ducked into the same building as the Red Cross, MSF and ISM. Someone from the ISM offered the "terrorist" a towel to dry off. The Israeli propaganda service twisted the incident into the ISM aiding terrorists. Technically handing someone a towel so they can dry off is a form of help, but its not like they were helping them fire missiles at Israel.
International Solidarity Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is typical of the twisted BS that anyone criticizing Israel has to endure. Some people can see through the BS. Others can't.

The ISM is an organization which calls on civilians from around the world to participate in acts of non-violent protests against the Israeli military in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

The ISM describes itself as a "Palestinian-led movement committed to resisting the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land using nonviolent, direct-action methods and principles". It emphasizes international volunteers are not there to "teach nonviolent resistance" but to support resistance through nonviolent direct action, emergency mobilization and documentation.

The ISM does not support or condone any acts of terrorism – which is not legitimate armed struggle. The ISM does not associate, support, or have anything to do with armed or violent resistance to the occupation. The ISM does not assist or engage in any kind of armed resistance, no matter what form it may take.

This right to resist occupation applies not only to the Palestinian people, but to all peoples who are faced with a military occupation. The ISM regards all people as equals with equal rights under international law. We believe that nonviolent action is a powerful weapon in fighting oppression and are committed to the principles of nonviolent resistance
International Solidarity Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[CDNBear]

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=22&x_article=769

ISM photographed with guns and Al Aksa terrorist: Will the world do something now?

 

[Goober]

OK still what is done by some here is kinda equal to what the JDL does,minus the violence.

You will find that I am pro Israel-pro human rights- pro freedom- pro democracy - have the Israelis committed war crimes- I am sure they have. I have stated that before- I also stated if people keep on attacking Israel with rockets they will respond and respond harshly. Do innocents get killed yes they do.

I have also stated and shown that Hamas and Hezbollah will not make any peace with Israel- they want a Jew Free Middle East- Guess how they and their type would make the ME Jew Free.

I along with others that get labelled as trolls have stated the above time and again. Proven with fact these Members to be wrong- shown how their hatred is posted time and again- and like little creatures they scurry away when the light shines on them - or members hold their opinion to the test of fact- not opinion- not insinuation which they use constantly- but facts.

Yet a few on this Forum hate Jews - Israel- When you have been here long enough you will arrive at your own conclusions based upon - evidence- impartial sources- persons posts - and replies. You are over 18- make up your own mind.

That just about covers my opinion on that.

 

[CDNBear]

Some people can see through the BS.

No worries, I see through yours.

Others can't.

That's why I point out yours.

 

[gerryh]

For the record, I don't hate anyone because of their nationality or religion. I believe in holding war criminals and people who commit crimes against humanity accountable for their actions. I am not willing to give Israelis, Jews or anyone else a free pass just because some troll tries to smear me with defamatory labels and smears.

If this were entirely true, you would be posting about more than JUST the Israeli/Palestinian problems. Since you DO just post on this one conflict, the labels that have been credited to you fit quite well.

OK guys labeling someone who criticise the illegal acts of the israeli government,the israeli military and the "racists" israeli settlers an anti-semite is IMO wrong,we also criticised what Maddas/Saddam did to his people,and what Kadafy did to his,and whats happening is Syria.

totalitarism is almost there,if not already there in certain parts of the world.

Damn lucky I have made a promise.

 

[CDNBear]

Who did you make that promise to?

 

[gerryh]

Who did you make that promise to?

Goober, if you can believe it. :lol: Just waiting for the day he releases me, like you did.

 

[CDNBear]

Goober, if you can believe it. :lol: Just waiting for the day he releases me, like you did.

Brash, harsh, oft vulgar and crass, but you're honourable to the core.

 

[Goober]

I'm not sure where you got that information, but the ISM has never advocated violence against anyone. Please post a link

The accusation that the ISM aided a terrorist group has to do with a single incident where the IDF was chasing a member of the Islamic Jihad after curfew through the streets of Jenin during a rainstorm and he ducked into the same building as the Red Cross, MSF and ISM. Someone from the ISM offered the "terrorist" a towel to dry off. The Israeli propaganda service twisted the incident into the ISM aiding terrorists. Technically handing someone a towel so they can dry off is a form of help, but its not like they were helping them fire missiles at Israel.
International Solidarity Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is typical of the twisted BS that anyone criticizing Israel has to endure. Some people can see through the BS. Others can't.

The ISM is an organization which calls on civilians from around the world to participate in acts of non-violent protests against the Israeli military in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

The ISM describes itself as a "Palestinian-led movement committed to resisting the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land using nonviolent, direct-action methods and principles". It emphasizes international volunteers are not there to "teach nonviolent resistance" but to support resistance through nonviolent direct action, emergency mobilization and documentation.

The ISM does not support or condone any acts of terrorism – which is not legitimate armed struggle. The ISM does not associate, support, or have anything to do with armed or violent resistance to the occupation. The ISM does not assist or engage in any kind of armed resistance, no matter what form it may take.

This right to resist occupation applies not only to the Palestinian people, but to all peoples who are faced with a military occupation. The ISM regards all people as equals with equal rights under international law. We believe that nonviolent action is a powerful weapon in fighting oppression and are committed to the principles of nonviolent resistance
International Solidarity Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bucky- Read your links-

Member's work with Hamas and Islamic Jihad
The Israeli government asserted ISM activist Susan Barclay had "ties with Palestinian terrorist groups". She stated she worked with representatives of Hamas and Islamic Jihad in organising a nonviolent protest.[67]


Supported Hamas- Peaceful - right.
They list Israel's weapons- Nothing about Hamas - Hezbollah

They sure do sound impartial in a Jew hating way- Oh yes - Israel hating - and the Jews that support this crap- Fukem. They can always emigrate to the West Bank or Gaza- Then ask them to build a Synagogue. They would be dead within days of such an announcement

International Solidarity Movement - Nonviolence. Justice. Peace.

Who We Are

The International Solidarity Movement (ISM) is a Palestinian-led movement committed to resisting the Israeli apartheid in Palestine by using nonviolent, direct-action methods and principles. Founded by a small group of primarily Palestinian and Israeli activists in August, 2001, ISM aims to support and strengthen the Palestinian popular resistance by providing the Palestinian people with two resources, international solidarity and an international voice with which to nonviolently resist an overwhelming military occupation force.

Check our current updates for reports, journals and press releases.
Click here for Frequently Asked Questions

Why ISM?

Apartheid is not going to be defeated by words alone; occupation, oppression and domination are going to be dismantled the same way they were erected — through people’s action. The Israeli army and apartheid in Palestine can be defeated by strategic, disciplined unarmed resistance, utilizing the effective resources Palestinians can mobilize — including international participation.

 

[jariax]

1) Reports suggesting the operator could not see Rachel, were all done by various Israeli agencies, with an agenda to find a pro-Palestinian supporter at fault, rather than the government of Israel - they have no credibility.
2) It is likely that Corrie was seen at some point, but the operator decided to move ahead, assuming that she would get out of the way.
Israel/Palestine is not like the US. If you handcuff yourself to a tree, you will get your hand cut off.
3) The operator of the bulldozer probably assumed it was a Palestinian. I doubt he would have proceeded if he knew she was American.

 

[Goober]

1) Reports suggesting the operator could not see Rachel, were all done by various Israeli agencies, with an agenda to find a pro-Palestinian supporter at fault, rather than the government of Israel - they have no credibility.

Israeli courts have shown that Arabs are treated early- Check the cases won- You so called point is just an opinion - No basis in fact -

2) It is likely that Corrie was seen at some point, but the operator decided to move ahead, assuming that she would get out of the way.

Have you ever been in an armoured vehicle- vision is quite limited. So again - all you have is conjecture based upon opinion and trying to pass it off as factual. Fail again as they say

Israel/Palestine is not like the US. If you handcuff yourself to a tree, you will get your hand cut off.
3) The operator of the bulldozer probably assumed it was a Palestinian. I doubt he would have proceeded if he knew she was American.

The above comment shows exactly what a **** you are.
Oh yes - And another example of hating Jews -
So - No Facts- Just hot air and hate- Cya for now
Ur Pal Uber Goober.

PS - Yes I enjoyed kicking your ass.

 

[CDNBear]

1) Reports suggesting the operator could not see Rachel, were all done by various Israeli agencies, with an agenda to find a pro-Palestinian supporter at fault, rather than the government of Israel - they have no credibility.

Conjecture.

2) It is likely that Corrie was seen at some point, but the operator decided to move ahead, assuming that she would get out of the way.
Israel/Palestine is not like the US. If you handcuff yourself to a tree, you will get your hand cut off.

Conjecture.

Although Israel has a set of laws that the courts follow, peoples rights are protected by legislation and law.

3) The operator of the bulldozer probably assumed it was a Palestinian. I doubt he would have proceeded if he knew she was American.

Conjecture.

 

[jariax]

I freely admit it's all conjecture, that's really all we have to go on at this point, since all the eye witnesses on both sides are incredibly biased to one side or the other.

But anyone thinking that the ruling of the Israeli courts is going to be fair and unbiased is delusional.
This is a country that kidnaps and imprisons it's own citizens from foreign countries for 18+ years for telling the truth.

 

[Goober]

I freely admit it's all conjecture, that's really all we have to go on at this point, since all the eye witnesses on both sides are incredibly biased to one side or the other.

But anyone thinking that the ruling of the Israeli courts is going to be fair and unbiased is delusional.
This is a country that kidnaps and imprisons it's own citizens from foreign countries for 18+ years for telling the truth.

Referring to the Nuke scientist?

 

[CDNBear]

But anyone thinking that the ruling of the Israeli courts is going to be fair and unbiased is delusional.

Really? Even though Israeli Courts have found in favour of Palestinian Claimants, on several occasions.

 

[jariax]

Referring to the Nuke scientist?

Yup.

 

[Goober]

Yup.

And he signed up- broke the law - went to Jail- same can happen in Canada- US- UK - France and many other countries.

So your point is................

 

[jariax]

Really? Even though Israeli Courts have found in favour of Palestinian Claimants, on several occasions.

You really think a few judgements of little significance in the Palestinan favour, means the courts are unbiased?
It's like asking Canada to rule if seals are being killed humanely.
If the Israelis were found guilty of murdering an American, there would have been major fallout.

 

[Goober]

You really think a few judgements of little significance in the Palestinan favour, means the courts are unbiased?
It's like asking Canada to rule if seals are being killed humanely.
If the Israelis were found guilty of murdering an American, there would have been major fallout.

From Foreign Policy mag.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/06/25/the_world_s_most_meddlesome_supreme_courts
ISRAEL
The court:*15 justices (Knesset determines number) appointed by a Judicial Selection Committee, a nine-member body consisting of Knesset representatives, supreme court justices, cabinet ministers, and representatives of the Israel Bar Association. All serve life terms.
Activism:*A longstanding example of judicial activism, the Israeli Supreme Court recently delivered acontroversial ruling*that declared 30 Jewish apartments that had been built on privately held Palestinian property in the West Bank to be illegal. The court ordered the settlements be torn down by July 1, rejecting the*state's petition*to the delay the demolition. The government is also* currently petitioning the court to*delay the razing*of another West Bank settlement outpost that has been declared illegal. These cases are yet another phase of the ongoing battle between the Likud Party and the judiciary, which has often ruled in favor of Palestinians in the occupied territories.
The Israeli Supreme Court is one of the only judiciaries in the world that allows non-citizens to petition against acts of the state and the military. For example, in 2004 the court ruled in favor of Palestinian claimants who argued that a security barrier around North Jerusalem would disrupt the*"fabric of life"for residents of the West Bank.
Israel has had a fairly active judiciary since its founding and as the country has no formal constitution, the court can decide on the legitimacy of almost any law the Knesset drafts. But the court's penchant for intervening really took off under Aharon Barak, who served as its president from 1995 to 2006. Barak's philosophy of activism -- denounced by some as "judicial imperialism" -- led to numerous confrontations with the Israeli government on issues of national security and Palestinian settlements. Prominent cases included the court's 1999*ban*on torture in terrorism interrogations and its prohibition of targeted assassinations in 2008 -- although leaked documents suggested that the army*ignored*that ruling.
The activist tradition established under Barak has continued under his successors, but in the past year, the Likud-controlled Knesset has generated reams of*bills*seeking to limit the judiciary's power. One stipulated that justice candidates had to be*vetted*by the entire Knesset; another proposed a mechanism that would enable the Knesset to restore laws the court strikes down. Although Netanyahu has often been stymied by the court's decisions, he has blocked many of these votes -- often going against his own party -- and vowed to support the court's independence.

 

[CDNBear]

You really think a few judgements of little significance in the Palestinan favour, means the courts are unbiased?

Unless you have definitive proof, this "But anyone thinking that the ruling of the Israeli courts is going to be fair and unbiased is delusional." is, delusional conjecture.

It's like asking Canada to rule if seals are being killed humanely.

I agree. Especially since Canada ruled that they weren't, and changed the laws on how they could be harvested.

If the Israelis were found guilty of murdering an American, there would have been major fallout.

Now that's delusional.

USS Liberty.