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Yeah it's hilarious. Especially this part:

It is impossible not to feel exhilaration when masses of oppressed and hungry people break down the wall

in light of:

In a shopping spree that was both festive and frenzied, Gazans cleared out stores in an Egyptian border town, buying up everything from TV sets to soft drinks to cigarettes.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22794305/


Hello cognitive disonance. All those starving and oppressed people dragging TV sets home. Where ARE their priorities?!

As David Letterman would say, "them TV sets are good eatin'!!" :)

Maybe it's good for the esteem to see yourself onscreen huddling behind that telly whilst Uncle Aaron is randomly firing Uzis over the wall.

I hope they're floor models. They can double as tables until Isreal turns the hydro back on....
 

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Z, Is a Jewish neighborhood in Iran a worse place than Palestine? Also are you aware that collective punishment of civilians is a war crime?

Thanks for the link DL

Since when are those the only two options,

Seriously, Palestine, not that bad.

Go to an Aids slum in South Africa where pogroms against Zimbabwe immigrants

Go to Darfur where Arab militias slay people for the crime of being black.

Go to see groups like the Hmong.
 

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Z, You reference mistakes made by Palestinians. Perhaps you could explain the steps the majority of Palestinians who are unarmed and peaceful civilians could have taken to avoid home demolitions, ethnic cleansing, indiscriminate killings and the other war crimes and crimes against humanity they have suffered?

Well, you could not financially support people firing rockets. You could not be an accomplice to a crime and report unlawful combatants. You could do a million things. Perhaps you can explain why they are not responsible for the actions of their elected government but Israelis are?

When Zionist terrorist organizations were slaughtering entire villages like Deir Yassin during the lead up to the 1948 war, what should the unarmed Palestinians do in the remaining villages do when the same terrorists show up at their village. Should they stay in their homes like the innocent civilians that used to live in Deir Yassin or run for their lives? What was their mistake?

I could go on and on about how thats largely bullcrap in a war filled with horrible actions.

But the end result is, who cares. That all happened long ago when people currently here were dead.

When Israeli bulldozers show up at your house and announce its demolition, should you stay in your house or run for your life?

You could not accept money for your child killing himself to smite your enemies. When the cops come to bust me for inciting murder, should I run for my life or stay in my house? The obvious option, don't break the law.

Should unarmed Palestinians who only want to live in peace (the majority) report Palestinians who resort to violence to the IDF? Would that make them safer?

Yes. Seriously, yes.

What should an unarmed Palestinian do when the IDF smashes down their door, puts a gun to their head and then forces them to walk in front of them as a human shield as they exchange gunfire with armed militants?

Dance on his unicorn? Sure it happens time to time. Big deal. There are dirty cops in Canada and we live through it. Ever seen a cop mace a 14 year old girl as he peels through the town drunk, because I have. In Canada. So Palestine can quit bitching.

Should peaceful Palestinians continue waiting for the world to intervene on their behalf. Is waiting for 60 years without resorting to violence long enough?

Without resorting to violence eh? What fairy land do you live in where 3 wars, 2 infitadas etc isn't resorting to violence.

There are about 1,400,000 people in Gaza. One of my links above estimates that the number of Palestinians involved in firing rockets into Israel from Gaza was about 300. So I'm referencing the other 1,399,700 people. What should these people do? I'd like to know what mistakes they made and how they could have avoided being the victims of ethnic cleansing, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Im sorry, are you saying they aren't responsible for the actions of their duly elected government?

Personal responsibility much? Should America apologize to Japan and Germany for fighting back in the wars declared against them?

Gaza elected Hamas. Hamas fires rockets at civilians.
 

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Yeah it's hilarious. Especially this part:

It is impossible not to feel exhilaration when masses of oppressed and hungry people break down the wall

in light of:

In a shopping spree that was both festive and frenzied, Gazans cleared out stores in an Egyptian border town, buying up everything from TV sets to soft drinks to cigarettes.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22794305/


Hello cognitive disonance. All those starving and oppressed people dragging TV sets home. Where ARE their priorities?!

As David Letterman would say, "them TV sets are good eatin'!!" :)

You weren't there, so you have a perception based on a subjective American news source. A simple critical analysis of the known facts proves JTF can't tell $hit from Shinola.

Information from Oxfam posted above indicates that these people were short medicine, food, fuel... They are highly dependent on food aid. The health system and basic services such as water and sanitation are near to collapse. They are under seige. Then when given a short chance to spend what little money they have, they buy consumer goods that won't work during the power outages, which is nearly constant.

Here's other perspectives to help broaden JTF's warped perceptions:

THE breaking of the Gaza-Egypt wall is clearly a good thing, and a rare example of the moral — and also wise — use of violence in politics.

Most all political violence consists of clear wrongs , like murder or unjustified war, but sometimes, sadly, disgustingly, some violence is justified as a last resort, and sometimes — as a subcategory of that — some of that justified violence is also wise, tactically.

Once you get far outside the murder and the crimes of war and those against humanity, some of the choices regarding whether or not to use some violence can be legitimately tough and debatable.

But the Gaza wall-breaking was an easy call: no people were killed, some may have been saved, and the spectacle of an exodus into Egypt effectively dramatised a gross injustice.

It's ironic that this was apparently done — its not yet clear from what level — by or with some Hamas people, since that's a movement that has, in its bombings of Israeli civilians, been immoral, criminal, and tactically stupid, turning the oppressed into oppressors, in many eyes, and turning some victims into actual murderers.

But this use of violence — against mere bricks in a wall — was right and a stroke of genius. The legend of all-knowing Israeli intelligence notwithstanding, some of the IDF (Israel Defence Forces)/ Shin Bet/ Mossad/ Cabinet killers must have been stunned, and temporarily shaken.

This was, after all, the first big, smart Palestinian move since the David and Goliath stone intifada, which pitted mere stone-throwing teenagers against Israeli tanks and body-armoured soldiers, and exposed the Occupation, 20 years ago, putting Israel's regime on the defensive.

(Not that it lasted long enough to produce results. The Peace Laureates Rabin and Arafat killed it; Rabin with knee-breaking — "force, might, and beatings" was his order, which, for a while, made Israel look still worse, but then Arafat shut the teen Davids down since they were winning without his approval).

The poor Washington Post was clearly stunned and shaken by this wall breach in Gaza.

They were reduced to accusing Hamas of "exploit(ing) (Israel's) temporary shutdown of fuel supplies" — ie by telling people about it (aren't newspapers supposed to encourage that?), and were cornered into the unfortunate position — if one accepts their logic — of seeming to support the denial of rights to Darfur refugees.

("As thousands stream across the border to Egypt, Hamas blockades the peace process," The Washington Post, January 24, 2008).

The Post asked rhetorically: "Would Mr Mubarak allow tens of thousands of Darfur refugees to illegally enter Egypt from Sudan, where a real humanitarian crisis is under way?," the expected answer from the reader being a realistic, shameful (for Mubarak) "No", and then demanded that Mubarak apply exactly that shameful standard by likewise barring uninvited Gazans.

So in order to keep the Palestinians out (or, more precisely, keep them cooped-in), you seem willing to bar the Darfuris too?

When you reach for arguments like that, it's a sign that your side's case is in trouble...

http://www.bt.com.bn/en/opinion/2008/01/31/breaking_of_gaza_wall_was_right_and_a_stroke_of_genius

Freedom for Gaza (but for one day only)
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Hole in the wall provides relief from misery of Israeli blockade
By Donald Macintyre in Rafah, Egypt

Thursday, 24 January 2008

...Men such as Mohammed al-Sheikh, 30, a butcher from Deir el Balah in central Gaza, where the price of beef has almost doubled to £7.50 a kilo, had simply taken an Egyptian taxi to the village of Sheikh Zied and walked back to the border leading the frisky black and white cow he had bought for 4,000 Egyptian pounds, or £360.
Or Marwan Talah, a 25-year-old farmer from Gaza City whose haul included six brown shaggy-haired sheep from Al Arish and two bags apiece of chemical fertiliser and the all-precious Egyptian Portland white cement which nearly every Gazan seemed to have bought sacks of yesterday. The months' long absence of cement imports through the closed Karni cargo crossing has not only halted construction throughout Gaza, but meant that its families can no longer provide the slabs to cover the graves of their dead.
But they had not all come for the medicine, flour, cooking gas, tobacco, chocolates, ovens – and, in at least one case, a $1,000 Chinese-made motorcycle – or much else unobtainable or prohibitively expensive in Gaza.
Kifa Zorab, 33, married with her five children in tow, was excited to be crossing the border to see her family in Egyptian Rafah. "We are going to see my mother-in-law," she explained with a smile. "Half my loved ones are in Gaza, and half on the other side. We're so happy; we're so relieved. It feels like a festival, like the Eid. And the Eid [the great mid-winter Muslim festival of Eid al Adha, where in normal times children are showered with gifts] was not good this year."
Inside the ironically still closed and guarded official border terminal, a uniformed Hamas "Brigadier General" stood beside Dr Atef Mohammed, a senior pharmacist waiting for his staff to bring urgently needed medicines back across the border. "It's excellent," said the Brigadier. "We have no problem with the Egyptians." He insisted that "nothing was planned".
True or not, civilian Mohammed Al Qadi, 55 summed up the outcome as he handed out Egyptian sweet wafers to everyone. "We felt it was a prison," he said with more optimism than certainty, "And now the prison gates have been opened."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...dom-for-gaza-but-for-one-day-only-773189.html
 

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You weren't there, so you have a perception based on a subjective American news source. A simple critical analysis of the known facts proves JTF can't tell $hit from Shinola.

Information from Oxfam posted above indicates that these people were short medicine, food, fuel... They are highly dependent on food aid. The health system and basic services such as water and sanitation are near to collapse. They are under seige. Then when given a short chance to spend what little money they have, they buy consumer goods that won't work during the power outages, which is nearly constant.

Here's other perspectives to help broaden JTF's warped perceptions:


So, you admit they have medicine

they have enough food (even from aid)

they have fuel (even from aid)

Their basic services such as health care, water and sanitation are present if not first world.

They have power, which has up and down times.


Congratulations, Palestine is better off than vast swathes of the world, I'd wager to say more than half.
 

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But this use of violence — against mere bricks in a wall — was right and a stroke of genius.

Here's an even bigger stroke of genius....stop building Gaza into a terrorist pariah basecamp. Instead, get on with the business of nation building. Stop spending every last dime you can get your hands on to buy weapons to fire at Israel. Build your nations institutions and develop your economy. Re-vitalize the greenhouses and fertilize the flower gardens. Leave Israel alone.

Do this, and in no great amount of time, you'll have Egyptians breaking down the wall to get into Gaza.
 

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Well, you could not financially support people firing rockets. You could not be an accomplice to a crime and report unlawful combatants. You could do a million things. Perhaps you can explain why they are not responsible for the actions of their elected government but Israelis are?

I could go on and on about how thats largely bullcrap in a war filled with horrible actions.

But the end result is, who cares. That all happened long ago when people currently here were dead.

You could not accept money for your child killing himself to smite your enemies. When the cops come to bust me for inciting murder, should I run for my life or stay in my house? The obvious option, don't break the law.

Yes. Seriously, yes.

Dance on his unicorn? Sure it happens time to time. Big deal. There are dirty cops in Canada and we live through it. Ever seen a cop mace a 14 year old girl as he peels through the town drunk, because I have. In Canada. So Palestine can quit bitching.

Without resorting to violence eh? What fairy land do you live in where 3 wars, 2 infitadas etc isn't resorting to violence.

Im sorry, are you saying they aren't responsible for the actions of their duly elected government?

Personal responsibility much? Should America apologize to Japan and Germany for fighting back in the wars declared against them?

Gaza elected Hamas. Hamas fires rockets at civilians.

Unlawfulness:

Israel is a member of the UN and therefore its military occupation is subject to the UN Charter. Under the terms of the UN Charter, people have a right to resist an military occupation force. ie. Violent resistance to an occupation force is legal.

Unlawful combatants are ones which participate in war crimes. But the civilian population is not legally obligated to report such activity to the occupation authorities, especially when such action would risk their safety as it would in Palestine. Not only is it likely that a Palestinian would be killed if they collaborated with the IDF, they would like be tortured for additional information by the IDF.

Its unlawful to gain territory by military force, even if the force is "defensive" which is not the case regarding Israel's ongoing conquest and ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

"Under the UN Charter there can lawfully be no territorial gains from war, even by a state acting in self-defense. The response of other states to Israel's occupation shows a virtually unanimous opinion that even if Israel's action was defensive, its retention of the West Bank and Gaza Strip was not...The [UN] General Assembly characterized Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as a denial of self determination and hence a 'serious and increasing threat to international peace and security.' "John Quigley, "Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice."


Palestinians defending themselves from war crimes and crimes against humanity have a right to resort to violence. Its the same right Israel has to defend itself from the war crime of random rocket attacks against civilians. Neither side has the right to commit war crimes in defense of war crimes.

Israel has made it clear that they intend to take as much of Palestine as they can, and incarcerate millions of displaced nationless refugees in open air prisons which are as small as possible. That a war crime and a crime against humanity.

The choice faced by Palestinians is whether they accept or resist the injustices and oppression. Israel has resorted to starving Palestinians into acceptance, yet another war crime and crime against humanity.

Individuals are responsible for their actions. Many/most Israelis and Palestinians do not support war crimes and crimes against humanity. The criminals on both sides should be held accountable for their actions. War crimes and crimes against humanity should be dealt with in order of severity. Right now, many people here can't even identify Israel war crimes or crimes against humanity regardless of scale and level of suffering.

Using people as human shields is a crime and like bad cops who commit crimes, this is a big deal. These criminals should be pursued vigorously and face the full weight of the law. I can't believe anyone would think that using people as human shields or bad cops breaking the law are small offenses.

Relevance of the origin of this war

People should know about the origin of this war for the same reason people should know about the holocaust. The holocaust and the origin of this conflict are both important lessons about prejudice, superiority, entitlement, compassion and sanctity of life. In theory knowing about the holocaust should make the current injustice and oppression suffered by Palestinians easier to identify.

Israel's creation was a horrendous injustice to the non-Jewish people who had the misfortune of living on land that God granted to Jews immigrating from mostly war torn Europe during the 1930-40s. Israeli apologists would like to ignore the previous injustices so they can portray the current violence out of context.

Would the people who suffered as a result of the holocaust or the origins of this conflict want us to forget?

Collective Punishment

Yes after 60 years of injustice and oppression a growing number of Palestinians are choosing to resist Israel violently. Some are exercising their legal right, and others have crossed lines and committed war crimes. But the overwhelming majority of Palestinians have never fired a rocket or even thrown a rock.

I agree with efforts to capture or kill people who commit war crimes in the context of war. I personally would not get involved, due to my non-violent beliefs. But neither would I criticize legal violence to stop illegal violence.

I reference Israel's collective punishment of Palestinians. You have stated previously that you support starving all Palestinians into submission. That means you support punishing the innocent (the majority) along with the guilty. Collective punishment against a civilian population is a war crime and a crime against humanity. It also encourages people to resort to violence in response.
 

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Ok, lets ask this:

If Palestine is "Occupied", who from?

Its not its own nation and never has been. Egypt and Jordan don't want them back, so they really aren't occupied anymore then are they?

The golan heights are occupied mind you.

So occupied from whom? Jordan has said "You aren't Jordanian", Egypt has said "You aren't Egyptian", so that would then make them what? (hint, Israeli)
 

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I reference Israel's collective punishment of Palestinians. You have stated previously that you support starving all Palestinians into submission. That means you support punishing the innocent (the majority) along with the guilty. Collective punishment against a civilian population is a war crime and a crime against humanity. It also encourages people to resort to violence in response.

So thats collective punishment is it?

I was under the impressions sanctions were legal. No country is forced to send aid of any kind to even members of their own populace let alone a different hostile one.

Perhaps you missed the side effect of the duly elected Palestinian government declaring war.

Palestinians elected Hamas, the elected government enacted military assaults on Palestine.

You have a very odd view of conflict and a very poor understanding of the UN rules, or you only apply them selectively.

Israel is not forced to send food to the elected government of enemy forces anymore than Hamas is forced to help Israel.


I would love to see your views on other nations. Should the Ugandan government send supplies to support the Lords Resistance Army and their child soldiers?

Palestine faces the same constraints as every other faction. That means crippling sanctions are a valid method of combatting them.


Blockades and Sanctions are legal. Palestine is not an innocent majority, it wanted a war involving bloodshed and the destruction of Israel. That is part of the founding charter of Hamas, who received majority support.

If you vote to declare war, you can't claim you are innocent of the war occuring.
 

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So thats collective punishment is it?

I was under the impressions sanctions were legal. No country is forced to send aid of any kind to even members of their own populace let alone a different hostile one.

Perhaps you missed the side effect of the duly elected Palestinian government declaring war.

Palestinians elected Hamas, the elected government enacted military assaults on Palestine.

You have a very odd view of conflict and a very poor understanding of the UN rules, or you only apply them selectively.

Israel is not forced to send food to the elected government of enemy forces anymore than Hamas is forced to help Israel.


I would love to see your views on other nations. Should the Ugandan government send supplies to support the Lords Resistance Army and their child soldiers?

Palestine faces the same constraints as every other faction. That means crippling sanctions are a valid method of combatting them.


Blockades and Sanctions are legal. Palestine is not an innocent majority, it wanted a war involving bloodshed and the destruction of Israel. That is part of the founding charter of Hamas, who received majority support.

If you vote to declare war, you can't claim you are innocent of the war occuring.

It appears Israel's legal system recently declared Israel no longer has any legal responsibility for Gaza. That's news.

Israeli High Court of Justice strips civilians in the Gaza Strip of status as protected persons under occupation and sanctions the siege

As Palestinian, Israeli and international human rights organisations, we the undersigned, would like to draw the attention of the members of the Human Rights Council (the Council), to the recent decision of the Israeli High Court of Justice (HCJ) in relation to the follow-up to Council resolution A/HRC/S-6/L.1, which demanded that Israel, the Occupying Power, lift the siege imposed on the Gaza Strip.

A petition (case number: HCJ 9132/07) was submitted on 28 October 2007 to the HCJ by 10 Israeli and Palestinian human rights organisations calling for an injunction against the State's plans to cut electricity and fuel supplies to the occupied Gaza Strip. On 30 January 2008 the HCJ rejected the petition. In a vague statement in the ruling, arguably setting a judicial precedent, the HCJ declared an end to Israel's "effective control" of the Gaza Strip and thus the end of Israel's occupation of the Gaza Strip. As a result of this conclusion and an incomplete and erroneous factual analysis of the impact of the cuts in fuel and the then proposed cuts in electricity, the HCJ then declared that the implementation of reductions in fuel and electricity supplies to the resource dependent Gaza Strip, were lawful according to Israel's "humanitarian" obligations under international law. The HCJ accepted the State's assertion that under the law of armed conflict, such obligations require no more than "the minimum humanitarian needs" and applied the State's extremely narrow interpretation of the requirements of "the minimum." By unilaterally declaring an end to the Israeli occupation of the Gaza Strip, Israel and its highest judicial body have effectively stripped the civilian population of the protection provided under international humanitarian law for civilians under occupation and limited Israel's obligations exclusively to those rules related to ongoing hostilities through distortion of the applicable legal norms.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache...+control+site:un.org&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=ca

Now that Israel has legally declared itself no longer responsible for Gaza, it now longer matter how severely Israel collectively punishes the 1.4 million occupants of Gaza prison.

Minimum standards being open to interpretation, Israel gets to grind these people down until the world notices or becomes outraged and then loosens the choker off a notch or two.

Does collectively punishing 1.4 million people make anyone feel safer? Aren't the prison guards usually responsible for the living conditions of the prison inmates?

I doubt that will fool the occupants or anyone aware of the situation. Even though we are clueless here about the situation, the Arab/Muslim world isn't:

Arab News
Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza: Disturbing Parallels

Steve Hutcheson, Arab News

I saw a photo last week of a father holding his 6-month-old baby son. The father’s face was devoid of expression; the child in his arms was dead. The boy’s name was Mohammed Al-Borai; he along with several others had been killed in a blast fired indiscriminately by an Israeli cannon into the densely populated areas of Gaza.

There were more photos, one of a group of young boys holding flowers standing around the battered and bloodstained body of the baby boy. That struck me as the most poignant....

...The Warsaw Ghetto during the Jewish Holocaust holds special significance to the European Jews. It was a place of oppression and the pathway to the ultimate death of thousands of their population that has become symbolic with their struggle for recognition. Yet what they are failing to acknowledge as their descendants press forward with their own brand of Jewish and Zionist idealism is the parallel set of conditions that they are now imposing on the Arab people of Palestine.

The Nazis rounded up the Jews of Poland and quartered them in a small area of Warsaw, building a barricade around the perimeter to prevent them leaving. So too have the Israelis through conflict and force pushed many of the Arab inhabitants out of Israel into an enclave that now has a population density of 4,200 people per sq. km which is 14 times that of the surrounding area of Israel which has 360 people per sq. km.

The Nazis deprived the ghetto inhabitants of food and essential supplies. So too has the Israeli government stopped the flow of goods to the 1.4 million inhabitants of Gaza by limiting the convoys of supplies to a mere trickle.

The Nazis reduced the average calorie intake of the Jewish inhabitants of the ghetto to 241 calories per day. So too have the Israelis reduced the calorie intake of the Palestinians in Gaza. According to a UN report, it is presently at 61 percent of the average daily requirements.

The Nazis restricted public utilities such as water and electricity. So too has the Israeli government.

The Nazis restricted the inhabitants from adequate health care. Israelis restrict the health care in Gaza by limiting the medical supplies in or the treatment of cases that need to be done outside...

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=107394&d=2&m=3&y=2008

AlJazeera
Gaza Diary: Sewage on our doorstep
In March 2007, sewage water flooded the village of Um Al-Nasr and killed six Palestinians following the collapse of a sewerage system in the northern Gaza Strip [GALLO/GETTY]

Six months ago, a water pumping station - part of a system that serves 60 per cent of the population in Gaza - opened right next to my home. We were pleased to hear of this development as we previously had no other option but to dump our untreated sewage in water wells.

This had posed an immense health hazard to all members of the community.

So when we heard that our sewage would now be treated and we would no longer have to dump our waste near our homes, we were very relieved.

The new station receives up to 40,000 cubic metres of waste water every day, and it should pump 120 cubic metres an hour through each of six water pumps.

However, only three pumps were installed in the station because the Israeli closure and blockade since June 2007 had prevented the essential parts needed to build the remaining three from entering Gaza.

Power cuts have also been affecting the efficiency of the station. The emergency generator is not functioning well as it requires maintenance and spare parts are lacking. The limited amount of fuel that is let into Gaza is not enough to run the generator for long hours.

Toxic waste

Last summer, the station could not cope with the high volume of sewage, which was ultimately diverted to a nearby grove where the community had planted their olive trees and other crops. If you have seen an olive tree you will know that it is a hardy plant which can bear fruit even in the desert.

But since the diversion, all of the crops in that grove - including some 100 olive trees - died as a result of the toxic waste that was being pumped into the land.

The sewage continues to flow there to this day. The crops cultivated in this grove used to provide a source of income and food for the neighbourhood. Now the entire area has become a wasteland.

This station was supposed to be a blessing for the neighbourhood but it turned out to be a curse, a health hazard for us all.

Sewage water is filling the streets surrounding the station and flooding nearby houses.
The stench is unbearable.

Tenants in ground floor flats were forced to move in with neighbours on higher floors. People are now using sand bags to absorb the sewage water which continues to seep into their houses.

The amount of children who have been taken ill has increased considerably. Cases of diarrhea are mounting by the day. Even now, children continue to play outside amongst the raw sewage – where else can they go?

And we are now facing a public health crisis.

What disgusts me is that this could all have been prevented had the Israelis opened one checkpoint to allow the spare parts and fuel through.

Sewage in schools

Children started their new term this week even though there is sewage water in neighbourhood schools.

Despite the blockade, we have to continue our daily lives, otherwise we will have nothing left. When the crisis started, some families bought their children gasoline lamps to study by when electricity was cut. Now that fuel is not available and very expensive, children do their homework and study for their exams in candle light.

To add to the deplorable situation, a friend of mine heard on the news yesterday that the course books for the new term will not reach us for at least another month.

They have been stuck at the Israeli checkpoints along with spare parts, fuel, food, and medical supplies; people are not let in or out. Gaza has now become a prison for us all.

Someone described the situation to me the other day: "Gaza has been living and breathing through two checkpoints, Rafah and Erez. The goods have been trickling in uncertainly for the last six months; it's like somebody trapped in a closed room or a lift, not getting enough oxygen, and trying to keep breathing slowly until somebody opens the door and saves them."

"Breathing slowly, with difficulty, and with unending uncertainty. Who will open that door? How long will we have to wait?"

I ask myself and I ask the international community - how can children receive a good education in this environment?

How can they look forward to a better future?

Children in Gaza

Children make up more than 50 per cent of the population in Gaza

1 in 9 children in Gaza suffer from the effects of malnourishment, including stunted growth

70 per cent of children under one year old are anaemic
Sources: World Health Organisation and Unicef
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/02/200852518517936321.html
 

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Yeah, recall all those images of Jews who managed to break out of the ghetto, only to smuggle in TV sets, cigarettes and billiard tables. This after squandering the billions of dollars in foreign aid that they received.

The parallels are uncanny.
 

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Well, Gaza is responsible for Gaza.

Egypt doesn't own them anymore, Israel doesn't occupy them.

Thats that. Now they can live in squalor of their own isolation.

North Korea is much the same. Its funny how threatening to kill all of your neighbours doesn't improve your standard of living.

Gazans have only themselves to blame for their assaults upon ALL of their neighbours, Israel and Egypt. No one is responsible for fixing their problems for them. If they want to start, stop firing rockets. You aren't entitled to outside trade. Other belligerant factions are also completely isolated.
 

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If they elect those murderous louts, or even if they completely refuse to prosecute those murderous louts, then they can be held accountable.

As is, they are being told to swim by Hamas.
 

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Well, Gaza is responsible for Gaza.

Egypt doesn't own them anymore, Israel doesn't occupy them.

Thats that. Now they can live in squalor of their own isolation.

North Korea is much the same. Its funny how threatening to kill all of your neighbours doesn't improve your standard of living.

Gazans have only themselves to blame for their assaults upon ALL of their neighbours, Israel and Egypt. No one is responsible for fixing their problems for them. If they want to start, stop firing rockets. You aren't entitled to outside trade. Other belligerant factions are also completely isolated.

Its collective punishment against 1.4 million people and a crime against humanity.

In public international law, a crime against humanity is an act of persecution or any large scale atrocities against a body of people, and is the highest level of criminal offense.[1]

The Rome Statute Explanatory Memorandum states that crimes against humanity "are particularly odious offences in that they constitute a serious attack on human dignity or grave humiliation or a degradation of one or more human beings. They are not isolated or sporadic events, but are part either of a government policy (although the perpetrators need not identify themselves with this policy) or of a wide practice of atrocities tolerated or condoned by a government or a de facto authority. However, murder, extermination, torture, rape, political, racial, or religious persecution and other inhumane acts reach the threshold of crimes against humanity only if they are part of a widespread or systematic practice. Isolated inhumane acts of this nature may constitute grave infringements of human rights, or depending on the circumstances, war crimes, but may fall short of falling into the category of crimes under discussion."[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_against_humanity

As a direct result of Israeli government actions which restrict the free flow of food and medicine, 1.4 million Gazans suffer widespead malnutrition and disease.

As a direct result of Israeli government actions which restrict the free flow of exports and trade, Gazans suffer chronic poverty and lack the parts to repair basic infrastructure.

As a direct result of Israeli government actions, thousands of Gazans are held in Israeli custody without charges or POW status and have suffered widespread torture and summary execution.

As a direct result of Israeli government actions, thousands of people have been made homeless.

Ethnic cleansing, indiscriminate killing of unarmed civilians... the list goes on and on.
 
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Zzarchov

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By your own link, that is not a crime against humanity.


Not giving people things isn't persecution.


You just posted that it isn't a crime against humanity. Gaza should work on self sufficiency if its going to assault its neighbours because no one has a right to trade.

Perhaps if you can find in the UN laws where it says embargos, blockades and sanctions are crimes against humanity? But you can't, as the UN endorses those things.
 

Just the Facts

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As a direct result of Israeli government reactions which restrict the free flow of food and medicine, 1.4 million Gazans suffer widespead malnutrition and disease.

As a direct result of Israeli government reactions which restrict the free flow of exports and trade, Gazans suffer chronic poverty and lack the parts to repair basic infrastructure.

As a direct result of Israeli government reactions, thousands of Gazans are held in Israeli custody without charges or POW status and have suffered widespread torture and summary execution.

As a direct result of Israeli government reactions, thousands of people have been made homeless.

Fixed it for you.
 

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Israel's government puts off evacuation discussion

The bill is aimed at minimizing friction with settlers and paving the way for a large pullback from the West Bank, which the Palestinians claim as part of a future independent state. Proponents of the bill have said up to half of the 70,000 residents of settlements expected to be evacuated would leave if they had the financial means.

Admission of guilt or more Israeli lies or is Israel crumbling ?