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I'll ask you the same question. Why were they kicked out of so many countries if they weren't causing some sort of internal disturbance. Have you ever considered that the citizens of the host countries were being victimized and they rose up and actually did something about it? Of course you wouldn't, your loyalty is blind though.
Why am I so 'negative', they associate themselves with God and they act the very opposite. It's a compulsive behavior, God says no so that is just what they do. They complain about the persecutions they have endured yet they have no restraint in that they commit the very same acts and then dare anybody to criticize them, let alone use some real muscle to halt their actions. Of course nobody will interfere, just like in the cases you provided, nobody did anything.


I would have pegged you as a home-owner with a zero tolerance for interference in the way you run things.

At some point in the future (at the event described below) I'm going to intentionally seek you out just so I can tap you on the back of the head with my palm and say "See."

Re:7:9: After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Re:7:10: And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Since nobody wants to defend the Jews on all the expulsions forced on them I'll do just to convert myself. Maybe the next incident will do that as this first example (expulsion from England of all places) seems rather justified. Could just be my narrow vision though. Please feel free to correct me. 1290, man there is such a long ways to go before we sleep'
The Edict of Expulsion of 1290, expelling the Jews from England

Yep......some lovely company you are keeping there....... (sarcasm alert)

the co-author of The Edict of Expulsion of 1290, expelling the Jews from England is Arnold Spenser Leese.......

Leese was an antisemite for much of his life, a prejudice reportedly kindled by his disgust for kashrut, a set of laws dictating the correct form for preparing food and slaughtering animals. He developed conspiracy theories relating to a perceived Jewish threat to the British Empire, and became involved with fascist groups, starting in 1924. His anti-semitism was hysterical in its intensity, and he even accused rival fascists of being soft on Jews.
As a member of the British Fascists he was elected a councillor in Stamford, Lincolnshire that year, along with fellow fascist Henry Simpson. In his autobiography, Leese wrote "We were the first constitutionally elected Fascists in England".
By 1928, having become disillusioned with the British Fascists, Leese became a founding member of the Imperial Fascist League.
By 1933, he found his own Imperial Fascist League being eclipsed and overtaken by Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists. He greatly resented Mosley and dubbed him a "kosher fascist".
Arnold Leese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perhaps you could find a source that wasn't a rabid fascist jew-hater????? Like, for instance, a actual historian?? Besides Irving, I mean.:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:
 

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This place says 'virtually' the same and it should know it quite well.
Edward I of England Biography
"To finance his war to conquer Wales, Edward I taxed the Jewish moneylenders. However, the cost of Edward's ambitions soon drained the money-lenders dry. Anti-Semitism, a long-existing attitude, increased substantially, and when the Jews could no longer pay, the state accused them of disloyalty. Already restricted to a limited number of occupations, the Jews saw Edward abolish their right to lend money. After the manner of racism, anti-semitic feeling grew, until the King decreed the Jews a threat to the country and restricted their movements and activities. Edward decreed that all Jews must wear a yellow patch in the shape of a star attached to their outer clothing to identify them in public, an idea Adolf Hitler would echo 650 years later (compare Star of David, Yellow badge).

In the course of King Edward's persecution of the Jews, he arrested all the heads of Jewish households. The authorities took over 300 of them to the Tower of London and executed them, while killing others in their homes. Finally, in 1290, the King banished all Jews from the country."

"he phenomenon of expulsions is, however, overwhelmingly found in Christian lands. Some of these were "general expulsions" which removed the Jews from the territory of a whole country for an extended period. The expulsion from*England in 1290 (the number of expelled has been estimated at 16,000) removed the Jews from its borders until after 1650. The expulsions from*France , especially those of 1306 and 1394, evicted the Jews from most of the territory within the borders of France until 1789. The expulsions from*Spain and *Portugal , 1492–97 (where the number of victims has been assessed by historians from 100,000 to several hundreds of thousands), removed the Jews from the Iberian peninsula almost until the present day and brought about a series of expulsions of Jews from lands within the sphere of influence of these countries. At the time of the*Black Death (1348–50), the Jews were expelled from many places in Europe, but in most localities, especially in *Germany, they were readmitted after a short while."
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In the two examples so far lending money was common. That was the most obvious connection. If that trend shows up in many expulsions, is the persecution against the Jewish religion or against greedy bankers who happened to be Jewish?
Please supply a link that is from somebody other than FOXAXCCNNABCMSN
 
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Here's another good one:

"Death to America, Death to Israel" now considered the sixth pillar of Islam.....

Weasel Zippers: Mecca: Iranian Pilgrims Chant "Death to America, Death to Israel" During Haj.....

Now what would make me think anyone would want to detonate a nuke in New York harbour. I must just be crazy. :)

No you are not just crazy you are a follower of Jewish propaganda. If Israel states it, it is fact. It makes no sense for Iran or any other country to nuke one harbour in the mightiest country of the world. Go ask a Grade three pupil. He will set you straight and give you the facts. Calling leaders of Iran insane --no -that is just more Israeli propaganda and crazy people believe it.
 

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1. Any assertion that the Jewish community controls government, the media, international business and the financial world is anti-Semitic.
2. Any strong anti-Israel sentiment is anti-Semitic.
3. Virulent criticism of Israel’s leaders, past or present, is anti-Semitic.
4. Criticism of the Jewish religion or its religious leaders or literature, especially the Talmud and the Kabala is anti-Semitic.
5. Criticism of the US government and congress for being under the influence of the Jewish/Zionist community, including AIPAC, is anti-Semitic.
6. Criticism of the Jewish/Zionist community for promoting Globalism, [the New World Order] is anti-Semitic.
7. Blaming Jewish leaders and their followers for inciting the Roman crucifixion of Christ is anti-Semitic.
8. Diminishing the 6 million figure of the holocaust victims is anti-Semitic.
9. Calling Israel a racist state is anti-Semitic.
10. Asserting that there exists a Zionist conspiracy is anti-Semitic.
11. Claiming the Jews and their leaders created the Bolshevik revolution in Russia is anti-Semitic.
12. Making derogatory statements about Jewish persons is anti-Semitic.


Seems like the truth is anti-Semitic and changing your name from Ariel Scheinermann to Sharon does not make you a semite.
 

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Colpy back to your dirt pile I see. Question or put out info that you can't argue --you come up with JEW HATER . So silly and such a serious face.
 

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Bernard Madoff is a member in good standing of the Palm Beach Country Club, the exclusive Jewish club on the North End of the island.
 

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No you are not just crazy you are a follower of Jewish propaganda. If Israel states it, it is fact.

:lol: The Telegraph Media Group and The New York Daily News. Bastions of Jewish propaganda. :p

It makes no sense for Iran or any other country to nuke one harbour in the mightiest country of the world. Go ask a Grade three pupil. He will set you straight and give you the facts.

A grade three pupil, yes. Unfortunately Iran is not ruled by grade three pupils.

Calling leaders of Iran insane --no -that is just more Israeli propaganda and crazy people believe it.

You must be growing weary of being wrong. :p It's not propaganda or delusion, just observation.

Heard anything about that Iranian ship that was hijacked by Somali pirates? You know, the one with the cargo that mysteriously killed over a dozen pirates. It was headed for the Suez. Some say it was a floating dirty bomb. Maybe, maybe not. Interesting though.
 

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This place says 'virtually' the same and it should know it quite well.
Edward I of England Biography
"To finance his war to conquer Wales, Edward I taxed the Jewish moneylenders. However, the cost of Edward's ambitions soon drained the money-lenders dry. Anti-Semitism, a long-existing attitude, increased substantially, and when the Jews could no longer pay, the state accused them of disloyalty. Already restricted to a limited number of occupations, the Jews saw Edward abolish their right to lend money. After the manner of racism, anti-semitic feeling grew, until the King decreed the Jews a threat to the country and restricted their movements and activities. Edward decreed that all Jews must wear a yellow patch in the shape of a star attached to their outer clothing to identify them in public, an idea Adolf Hitler would echo 650 years later (compare Star of David, Yellow badge).

In the course of King Edward's persecution of the Jews, he arrested all the heads of Jewish households. The authorities took over 300 of them to the Tower of London and executed them, while killing others in their homes. Finally, in 1290, the King banished all Jews from the country."

"he phenomenon of expulsions is, however, overwhelmingly found in Christian lands. Some of these were "general expulsions" which removed the Jews from the territory of a whole country for an extended period. The expulsion from*England in 1290 (the number of expelled has been estimated at 16,000) removed the Jews from its borders until after 1650. The expulsions from*France , especially those of 1306 and 1394, evicted the Jews from most of the territory within the borders of France until 1789. The expulsions from*Spain and *Portugal , 1492–97 (where the number of victims has been assessed by historians from 100,000 to several hundreds of thousands), removed the Jews from the Iberian peninsula almost until the present day and brought about a series of expulsions of Jews from lands within the sphere of influence of these countries. At the time of the*Black Death (1348–50), the Jews were expelled from many places in Europe, but in most localities, especially in *Germany, they were readmitted after a short while."
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In the two examples so far lending money was common. That was the most obvious connection. If that trend shows up in many expulsions, is the persecution against the Jewish religion or against greedy bankers who happened to be Jewish?
Please supply a link that is from somebody other than FOXAXCCNNABCMSN

No, it doesn't say a thing about idiotic, zenophobic, superstitious accusations of ritual murder, as did the first post you made.

The Jews were money-lenders for one over-whelming reason: usury was forbidden to Christians. Usuary being the loaning of money for any interest at all.......

The Jews were isolated, persecuted exiled and murdered.......set aside from society not by their own choice, but because the church saw them as "christ-killers", conveniently setting aside the fact that Christ was a Jew, and that his sentence came from a Roman.......

The hatred that followed Jews throughout Europe was hardly their fault........one has to remember how zenophobic society was at the time, how superstitious........a good comparison with Jewish persecution would be the persection of so-called "witches"......obviously these unfortunates were not cavorting with Satan.....but were different, were scapegoats for murderers, illness, crop failure, livestock diseases......same as the Jews.

The unfortunate thing is that Jew-hatred has survived the centuries into modern times. There are less than 14 million Jews on earth, but they are hounded, hunted, singled out in much of the world for persecution.

IMHO, Zionism is only good sense for a Jew.
 

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Just the Facts quote->Heard anything about that Iranian ship that was hijacked by Somali pirates? You know, the one with the cargo that mysteriously killed over a dozen pirates. It was headed for the Suez. Some say it was a floating dirty bomb. Maybe, maybe not. Interesting though.

Interesting -post your source!
 

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The Jews were money-lenders for one over-whelming reason: usury was forbidden to Christians. Usuary being the loaning of money for any interest at all.......
You have to be kidding. Are you suggesting they are doing us a favor? Ask anybody who they would rather bank with, a)Jewish bankers with all sorts of interest and service charges or b)Christian bankers who charge no interest or service charges (paid for via a tax on the corporations)No huge salaries and no shareholders, they act as a necessary service. Even you would bank with the Christian bank.

The Jews were isolated, persecuted exiled and murdered.......set aside from society not by their own choice, but because the church saw them as "christ-killers", conveniently setting aside the fact that Christ was a Jew, and that his sentence came from a Roman.......
Don't forget they also prefer to remain apart from the citizens of whatever country they are in. Christian killers would be more appropriate. From 30AD-70AD the Christians were persecuted by the Jews. If they use that tactic themselves they shouldn't complain when it is used on them.
So what, it was the Jews who brought Jesus before the Romans on false charges, they also influenced the answer from the crowd on who should be released. Besides Jesus was supposed to go to the cross. Any other persecution rest solely on their shoulders, Stephen being the most blatant example of persecution by Jews. Apparently death is an option when they hold the persecution stick.

The hatred that followed Jews throughout Europe was hardly their fault........one has to remember how zenophobic society was at the time, how superstitious........a good comparison with Jewish persecution would be the persection of so-called "witches"......obviously these unfortunates were not cavorting with Satan.....but were different, were scapegoats for murderers, illness, crop failure, livestock diseases......same as the Jews.
You would have to read what each side has to say about the 'why'. Bankers always end up in the crosshairs when turmoil unfolds, if Jews like that occupation (they pretty much insist they get to play that role even today so they have since at least 1290) they will pay the price, so blame it on the 'proper attribute' usury and not religious faith being the 'most important' reason for persecution. As soon as a banker is Jewish does that mean I can no longer question the integrity of that banker. When the control the banking industry can I no longer critize their preditory practices (profit based rather than a community service)? Why not get out of the usury practice and see if the persecution becomes less overall. Then you could start doing it for the other professions wher persecution might stem from.

The unfortunate thing is that Jew-hatred has survived the centuries into modern times. There are less than 14 million Jews on earth, but they are hounded, hunted, singled out in much of the world for persecution.
How much does their chosen professions paly in that?

IMHO, Zionism is only good sense for a Jew.
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Just the Facts quote->Heard anything about that Iranian ship that was hijacked by Somali pirates? You know, the one with the cargo that mysteriously killed over a dozen pirates. It was headed for the Suez. Some say it was a floating dirty bomb. Maybe, maybe not. Interesting though.

Interesting -post your source!

Ummmm.... source: The News

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You have to be kidding. Are you suggesting they are doing us a favor? Ask anybody who they would rather bank with, a)Jewish bankers with all sorts of interest and service charges or b)Christian bankers who charge no interest or service charges (paid for via a tax on the corporations)No huge salaries and no shareholders, they act as a necessary service. Even you would bank with the Christian bank.

Wow. Ahhhh.....there were no Christian banks....gimme a break.
As well, Jews were restricted in the types of employment they were allowed to engage in.........

Don't forget they also prefer to remain apart from the citizens of whatever country they are in.

You really don't have a clue, do you? Jews were restricted throughout Europe in where they could live......the very word ghetto comes from the name of the area Jews were forced to live in in Venice......and no, they weren't rich, for themost part.

Christian killers would be more appropriate. From 30AD-70AD the Christians were persecuted by the Jews. If they use that tactic themselves they shouldn't complain when it is used on them.

Once again, gimme a break. Palestine was occupied by the Romans, who had an anti-Christian crusade going on until the Emergence of Constantine as Emperor....


So what, it was the Jews who brought Jesus before the Romans on false charges, they also influenced the answer from the crowd on who should be released. Besides Jesus was supposed to go to the cross. Any other persecution rest solely on their shoulders, Stephen being the most blatant example of persecution by Jews. Apparently death is an option when they hold the persecution stick.

So, this is why you hate Jews? Small reason.

You would have to read what each side has to say about the 'why'. Bankers always end up in the crosshairs when turmoil unfolds, if Jews like that occupation (they pretty much insist they get to play that role even today so they have since at least 1290) they will pay the price, so blame it on the 'proper attribute' usury and not religious faith being the 'most important' reason for persecution. As soon as a banker is Jewish does that mean I can no longer question the integrity of that banker. When the control the banking industry can I no longer critize their preditory practices (profit based rather than a community service)? Why not get out of the usury practice and see if the persecution becomes less overall. Then you could start doing it for the other professions wher persecution might stem from.

Let me explain something to you.....in the west the Jewish population has contributed more than any other ethnic group relative to size......doctors, scientists, musicians, artists, intellectuals, professors..........and the Jewish society as a whole has been a liberal influence.....indeed Israel used to be the darling of the left......




8O

Really, some of the stuff you write could have come from the pen of Eichmann.....you need to do some serious self-examination on this topic.....for starters you could read some history........

Jews have been hunted, harassed, restricted, expelled, murdered, used as scapegoats, and generally abused almost everywhere for almost 2000 years.....the Holocaust was merely the climax.....in which one out of every three Jews on earth was murdered.

Yep, Zionism is only good sense to a Jew.

And people like you are the reason that is so.........
 

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...Jews have been hunted, harassed, restricted, expelled, murdered, used as scapegoats, and generally abused almost everywhere for almost 2000 years.....the Holocaust was merely the climax.....in which one out of every three Jews on earth was murdered.

Yep, Zionism is only good sense to a Jew....

Has Zionism changed anything really? Do fewer people suffer now as a result?

Does past Jewish suffering justify committing the same crimes against innocent people who have the misfortune of not being Jewish and living on land Zionists believe God gave to Jews?

From the end of the crusades to the end of the Ottoman Empire, Palestine was a peaceful corner of the world where Jews, Christians, Muslims... lived in peace.

No doubt Jews have been persecuted over the ages. But the people living in Palestine before Zionism were not responsible for crimes committed against Jews in Europe or elsewhere. Yet they have suffered terribly as their peacefully corner of the world was overrun with Jewish refugees fleeing Europe. Now its the Palestinians who are being hunted, harassed, restricted, expelled, murdered, used as scapegoats, and generally abused.

A lot has changed in the holylands since the rise of Zionism. The "improvements" made by the Zionists in the holylands hardly seem divinely inspired.

Besides the ongoing ethnic cleansing, Zionists who control Israel have been starving 1.5 million people living in Gaza for two years now. People have resorted to picking through the garbage for food:

Palestinians forced to scavenge for food on rubbish dumps

By Patrick Cockburn in Jerusalem
Saturday, 9 September 2006

Palestinians forced to scavenge for food on rubbish dumps - Middle East, World - The Independent

Israeli blockade 'forces Palestinians to search rubbish dumps for food'

UN fears irreversible damage is being done in Gaza as new statistics reveal the level of deprivation

The Observer, Sunday 21 December 2008 Article history
Impoverished Palestinians on the Gaza Strip are being forced to scavenge for food on rubbish dumps to survive as Israel's economic blockade risks causing irreversible damage, according to international observers.

Figures released last week by the UN Relief and Works Agency reveal that the economic blockade imposed by Israel on Gaza in July last year has had a devastating impact on the local population. Large numbers of Palestinians are unable to afford the high prices of food being smuggled through the Hamas-controlled tunnels to the Strip from Egypt and last week were confronted with the suspension of UN food and cash distribution as a result of the siege.

The figures collected by the UN agency show that 51.8% - an "unprecedentedly high" number of Gaza's 1.5 million population - are now living below the poverty line. The agency announced last week that it had been forced to stop distributing food rations to the 750,000 people in need...

Israeli blockade 'forces Palestinians to search rubbish dumps for food' | World news | The Observer

Even if our news isn't covering this Zionist crime against humanity, that doesn't mean it isn't happening.

December 15, 2008 by TruthDig.com
Israel’s ‘Crime Against Humanity’
by Chris Hedges

Israel's siege of Gaza, largely unseen by the outside world because of Jerusalem's refusal to allow humanitarian aid workers, reporters and photographers access to Gaza, rivals the most egregious crimes carried out at the height of apartheid by the South African regime. It comes close to the horrors visited on Sarajevo by the Bosnian Serbs. It has disturbing echoes of the Nazi ghettos of Lodz and Warsaw.

"This is a stain on what is left of Israeli morality," I was told by Richard N. Veits, the former U.S. ambassador to Jordan who led a delegation from the Council on Foreign Relations to Gaza to meet Hamas leaders this past summer. "I am almost breathless discussing this subject. It is so myopic. Washington, of course, is a handmaiden to all this. The Israeli manipulation of a population in this manner is comparable to some of the crimes that took place against civilian populations fifty years ago."

The U.N. special rapporteur for human rights in the occupied Palestinian territory, former Princeton University law professor Richard Falk, calls what Israel is doing to the 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza "a crime against humanity." Falk, who is Jewish, has condemned the collective punishment of the Palestinians in Gaza as "a flagrant and massive violation of international humanitarian law as laid down in Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention." He has asked for "the International Criminal Court to investigate the situation, and determine whether the Israeli civilian leaders and military commanders responsible for the Gaza siege should be indicted and prosecuted for violations of international criminal law."....

Israel’s ‘Crime Against Humanity’ | CommonDreams.org

Israel plans to invade Gaza probably within the next few days or weeks. I expect high casualties on both sides.

In preparation for the invasion, Israel has recently been training their soldiers for the Gaza invasion by invading and occupying parts of the West Bank.

Also unreported in our news:
Northern West Bank under attack as Israeli forces terrorise Palestinian villages

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From Thursday 18th to Friday 19th December, Israeli military forces invaded multiple villages and cities in the Northern West Bank; including Nablus, Burin, Beita, Jenin and Araba - occupying homes, destroying property, and terrorising families.


In the case of Beita, the incursion coincided with Israeli authorities cutting all water supplies to the village of 12000 people, leaving all homes and businesses entirely without water.

Israeli forces invaded the village of Beita at approximately 12am on the morning of Thursday 18th, storming more than 100 houses. “No one in Beita slept. No one slept that night” reported one elderly villager, whose son was arbitrarily detained, made to strip naked and tortured for six hours.

Mahadi, aged 24, was detained from his home when approximately twelve Israeli soldiers invaded his home at 12am on Thursday morning. He was blindfolded and handcuffed and driven around in an Armoured Personnel Carrier (APC) for two hours whilst being beaten repeatedly. Mahadi, along with nine other detainees from Beita, were forced to lie on the floor of the vehicle while soldiers sat with their feet on the detainees chest and heads, in an act of ritualistic dehumanisation. The detainees were then taken to Huwarra military base where they were further beaten and subject to humiliating practices. Two of the men were stripped and forced to remain naked for the period of their incarceration. Mahadi was released at 6am, when Israeli soldiers lacerated his back as they cut his handcuffs, before throwing him from the back of a moving army vehicle. “His t-shirt was covered in blood” recalled his mother.

Of the more than 100 houses that were invaded that morning, many reported significant damage, from broken windows to battered-down doors, as well as ransacking and theft. In several cases, soldiers used axes to destroy doors, often before families even had the chance to open the doors themselves. A number of families in the occupied houses were threatened at gunpoint and forced into either single rooms or outside for up to several hours while soldiers searched their homes and ransacked their belongings.

In the case of Fayez Mohammad Atari Dweikat and his family, approximately 25 soldiers forced his family into the cold night at gunpoint whilst they ransacked his home. He reports that during this time, soldiers stole his mobile phone and digital camera from the house.

The family in a neighbouring house, stated that soldiers also forced them at gunpoint into a single room, denying the children access to the toilet; as well as forcing the family members to provide their mobile phone numbers to the soldiers. The family also reported the theft of a flashdrive from the home while they were being detained.
In another nearby house, that of newly-married Rami Dweikat, Israeli soldiers hacked at the door with an axe, in order to enter and ransack the premises - pulling all belongings from cupboards and drawers, leaving the house in a state of ruin. Windows and internal doors were also broken in the house that has even yet not been completed. “They didn’t respect anything” cried his mother.
Many in the village believed the invasion to be part of a training exercise for the Israeli forces. “They were laughing as they entered our houses”, said one villager. “They made all of our village as a practice mission”.

On Thursday night, Israeli armed forces further invaded the village of Burin near Nablus; Al Ain refugee camp inside Nablus city; Jenin city and the nearby village of Araba.

In Al Ain refugee camp in Nablus, Israeli soldiers overran the camp, invading houses and arresting two. In the Western part of the camp three houses were occupied by Israeli soldiers who left a wake of destruction. “Cul ishi, cul ishi” lamented an elderly resident. “They damaged everything”.

Soldiers detonated multiple bombs on the houses, blowing apart doors; collapsing walls and shattering windows throughout the neighbourhood. In the house of Um and Abu Raed, soldiers exploded their front door, shattering all glass in the house and destroying their washing machine. Soldiers then proceded to further wreak havoc in the house, emptying all cupboards and drawers on to the floor, including the contents of the refrigerator. Cupboards and wardrobes were broken, and holes were smashed in the walls to provide sniper positions for the soldiers.

Large numbers of soldiers and dogs filled the house, surprising residents in their beds, threatening them at gunpoint. The elderly Abu Raed, who is unable to walk due to illness, was pushed out of his bed, beaten and forced to crawl through his house, while soldiers refused to allow his children to help him to his feet. “I am sick, I am sick” he told the soldiers, who were unrelenting in their truculence.
Younger family members were forced into a bathroom individually to face interrogation before the whole family were herded, along with other nearby families, into the small room of a neighbouring house.
From three houses, nine families were forced into a single room - with more than 70 people, including elderly residents; pregnant women and many young children, crammed into a small 3×5 metre room. Residents struggled for air as their requests to be allowed to move to a larger room were denied. Children were forced to soil themselves, as soldiers refused to allow them access to a toilet.
Families were forced into the room at gunpoint at approximately 12:30am, where they were kept for four hours without warm clothes or blankets for the children. When parents requested to be allowed to bring in bedding for the children to sleep on, they were denied, with soldiers telling the parents that they could hold their children while they slept. With not enough room for all of the families to sit down, some were forced to stand for the entire period of their incarceration.

Soldiers eventually allowed some access to the toilet for children and the infirm Abu Raed. “When I am a prisoner, I am allowed to do everything. Why in my home and I not allowed to do anything”, implored an angered Abu Raed.

The house of Um and Abu Raed has been invaded by Israeli soldiers once each week, on average, for the past three years. The extent of the damage of the incursions is such that they are in a constant state of repairs, while bullet holes from previous invasions still riddle the walls of the family home. “In the future we hope to take freedom, like all the people in the world” voiced Um Raed. “Now, it is just a dream”.

The invasions of these villages, along with the invasion of the village of Zawata earlier in the week, are especially poignant as the Gaza-Israel cease-fire was declared dead on Friday morning. This series of terrorising incursions exemplifies the refusal of Israeli authorities to extend the truce to the West Bank - a hope of many Palestinians during the early days of the cease-fire. Many residents of the Nablus area fear that these incursions are also vehicles for training ground troops for an immenent Gaza invasion.

International Solidarity Movement » Northern West Bank under attack as Israeli forces terrorise Palestinian villages

To defend what Israel does is to either be callous or wilfully ignorant. I can't help but notice that the same people who supported Bush's push to commit war crimes in Iraq back in 2002/2003 also support Israel's ongoing crimes against humanity....
 
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Besides the ongoing ethnic cleansing

I can't argue with that. Zionists have successfully ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews.

People have resorted to picking through the garbage for food:

Maybe they should give Mrs. Arafat a call. What is being done with the hundreds of millions$$ being sent by the west? Maybe they should stop driving truck bombs at the crossings every time Israel opens them.

Oh yeah, they're foregoing feeding their people in exchange for building and buying crude rockets that, according to EAO, never hurt anyone anyway. That, my friend, is Israel's fault?

This latest truce in Gaza is another example of the futility in Israel trying to make peace.

The Palestinians, and by extension, the Arab and Muslim world at large, don't want peace with Israel. The Palestinian war is not one of liberation of Palestinian Arabs but of annihilation of Israel, and Jews in general.
 

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Wow. Ahhhh.....there were no Christian banks....gimme a break.
As well, Jews were restricted in the types of employment they were allowed to engage in.........
Was banking involved?
You really don't have a clue, do you? Jews were restricted throughout Europe in where they could live......the very word ghetto comes from the name of the area Jews were forced to live in in Venice......and no, they weren't rich, for themost part.
Were the richest ones forced to live in the same area. I find it hard to believe the Rothschild family being told were they could and could not go.
A few bad apples in the rich section of Jewish society could make thing very unpleasant for the poorer ones. I don't see them caring very much what happened to their poorer relatives either. (other than a separate interest rate compared to what the Gentiles pay)

Once again, gimme a break. Palestine was occupied by the Romans, who had an anti-Christian crusade going on until the Emergence of Constantine as Emperor....
Post some articles that cover that 40 year period then that prove they were protecting Christians from the Romans. Keep it within that time frame. Even Jews don't include persecution in their time-line, they start it as beginning in 70AD. Shouldn't God be put in there also?

So, this is why you hate Jews? Small reason.
Please quote me accurately, in what post have I ever put those two words together? Put up or shut-up. If you can't find a quote from me then the above makes you a bald-faced liar.
Did you know I got banned from a Israel friendly pre-trib board for finding more Jews were saved than they 'would allow for'? They had 1/3 and I had 3/3 being alive. It seemed rather odd at the time (in that it had an Israel Friendly policy, but now I see it was training for running into people like you.

Let me explain something to you.....in the west the Jewish population has contributed more than any other ethnic group relative to size......doctors, scientists, musicians, artists, intellectuals, professors..........and the Jewish society as a whole has been a liberal influence.....indeed Israel used to be the darling of the left......
You forgot banking. Is there such a thing as a Jewish criminal? Not petty criminal, ones that have a large organization?

Jews have been hunted, harassed, restricted, expelled, murdered, used as scapegoats, and generally abused almost everywhere for almost 2000 years.....the Holocaust was merely the climax.....in which one out of every three Jews on earth was murdered.
How many were bankers?
In all the invasions over the last 2,000 years how many involved violence against people who were involved in the same profession that you just listed (and a few more). When people are a guest in a country (a Jews are) should the best jobs go to the Natives of the country or to an admittedly outside group? Gentiles invasions do the same thing, they eliminate the local existing power structure. The great buffalo hunts were to destroy the food supply of a people rather than everybody getting the same fashion craze.
 
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Besides the ongoing ethnic cleansing, Zionists who control Israel have been starving 1.5 million people living in Gaza for two years now. People have resorted to picking through the garbage for food:

Just came across this article. Kinda makes me look at your claim of mass starvation and go "hmmmm".


In fact, coupled with a large surplus of fruit and vegetables intended for markets in Israel, the vast majority of people here aren't wanting for food.

"We are moving from a dependence on Israel, to a dependence on the tunnels and, from there, to a dependence on Egypt. I think that's exactly what Israel wants to happen."

"In all its years of occupation, even Israel never stopped people from going on the hajj," he lamented. "It just tells you, Palestinians are their own worst enemies."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081212.wgaza12/BNStory/International/home?cid=al_gam_mostemail
 

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Reports that as many as 50 per cent of children are suffering from malnutrition are exaggerations, says Khaled Abdel Shaafi, director the United Nations Development Program.
"This is not a humanitarian crisis," he said. "It's an economic crisis, a political crisis, but it's not a humanitarian crisis. People aren't starving."

From the article JTF posted above.......
 

Zzarchov

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Was banking involved?

You forgot banking. Is there such a thing as a Jewish criminal? Not petty criminal, ones that have a large organization?

How many were bankers?
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You do know that up until laws were seperated from church in state, there were no Christian nor Muslim Bankers in either region by law (neither a borrower nor a lender be, see the sin of Ursary)

But Islam (And still does) and Christianity prevent banking. It is illegal in both religions to make money from lending money (ie banking)

That didn't kill the need FOR bankers for society to function, one of the reasons both Muslim and Christian kings encouraged Jews to settle in their lands, as their kingdoms still needed a system of investment to grow.

Eastern Muslim nations did not have the same "importing" of Judaism since they had Hindu and Chinese bankers to fill the role.


This is where the Myth of Greedy Jewish Bankers, Greedy Chinese Bankers and Greedy Indian Bankers comes from, at one point in time all bankers in the known world (Islamic and Christian world as a better term) were of these ethnic groups, often specifically imported (sometimes as slaves) to fill that role.


The more you know..now seriously, read a book before dripping "Facts"
 

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Personally I trust the International Red Cross more than the above sources:

15 November 2008

Chronic malnutrition in Gaza blamed on Israel

Donald Macintyre reveals the contents of an explosive report by the Red Cross on a humanitarian tragedy

The Israeli blockade of Gaza has led to a steady rise in chronic malnutrition among the 1.5 million people living in the strip, according to a leaked report from the Red Cross.

It chronicles the "devastating" effect of the siege that Israel imposed after Hamas seized control in June 2007 and notes that the dramatic fall in living standards has triggered a shift in diet that will damage the long-term health of those living in Gaza and has led to alarming deficiencies in iron, vitamin A and vitamin D.

The 46-page report from the International Committee of the Red Cross – seen by The Independent – is the most authoritative yet on the impact that Israel's closure of crossings to commercial goods has had on Gazan families and their diets.

The report says the heavy restrictions on all major sectors of Gaza's economy, compounded by a cost of living increase of at least 40 per cent, is causing "progressive deterioration in food security for up to 70 per cent of Gaza's population". That in turn is forcing people to cut household expenditures down to "survival levels".

"Chronic malnutrition is on a steadily rising trend and micronutrient deficiencies are of great concern," it said.

Since last year, the report found, there had been a switch to "low cost/high energy" cereals, sugar and oil, away from higher-cost animal products and fresh fruit and vegetables. Such a shift "increases exposure to micronutrient deficiencies which in turn will affect their health and wellbeing in the long term."

Israel has often said that it will not allow a humanitarian crisis to develop in Gaza and the report says that the groups surveyed had "accessed their annual nutritional energy needs". But it warned governments, including Israel's, that "food insecurity and undernutrition, including micronutrient deficiencies" were occurring in the absence of "overt food shortages".

A 2001 Food and Agriculture Organisation definition classifies "food security" as when "all people, at all times, have physical, social and economic access to sufficient, safe and nutritious food that meets their dietary needs and food preferences for an active and healthy life."

The Red Cross report says that "the embargo has had a devastating effect for a large proportion of households who have had to make major changes on the composition of their food basket." Households were now obtaining 80 per cent of their calories from cereals, sugar and oil. "The actual food basket is considered to be insufficient from a nutritional perspective." The report paints a bleak picture of an increasingly impoverished and indebted lower-income population. People are selling assets, slashing the quality and quantity of meals, cutting back on clothing and children's education, scavenging for discarded materials – and even grass for animal fodder – that they can sell and are depending on dwindling loans and handouts from slightly better-off relatives....

Chronic malnutrition in Gaza blamed on Israel - Middle East, World - The Independent

Perhaps someone here can explain the point of the Holocaust memorials again. What was it that we should never allow to happen again?