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MHz

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Ummm....Jordan? Just ignore it? 80% of the original mandate of Palestine.
NPR : The Mideast : A Century of Conflict : Map2

That map indicates that Jordan was separated from Palestine, which means the area left to the East of the River Jordan was Palestine, that is the area that should have been a 90/10 split. As it is it looks like the Jews were awarded 90%, typical.

This map shows the Brits did know that Palestine was separate from Jordan.
British Empire: The Map Room: Middle East: Palestine

BTW has anybody noticed that they still do not know how to run a country.
 

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That map indicates that Jordan was separated from Palestine, which means the area left to the East of the River Jordan was Palestine, that is the area that should have been a 90/10 split. As it is it looks like the Jews were awarded 90%, typical.

Doesn't look like the Jews got 90% to me. So the Arabs should have got the 90 of a 90/10 split, and then split that 90/10 again, then split that 90/10 again, and so on and so on...... until the Jews have nothing.

This map shows the Brits did know that Palestine was separate from Jordan.
British Empire: The Map Room: Middle East: Palestine

Palestine was separate from Jordan because it was separated from Jordan. Hello. :lol:;-)
Of course the Brits knew, they're the ones who separated it. :smile:

Excellent article, btw, thanks.

BTW has anybody noticed that they still do not know how to run a country.

The Brits? Yeah.
 

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In post #615 I supplied some population figures from around that time. Since Jews and Palestinians both fought on the side if Britain you would think that the split should have been along the ratio of the population. It wasn't, 83,000 Jews get 90% and 590,000 Palestinians get 10%, can you say shafted? How much did that letter from Rothschild have to do with the way it was partitioned, the map is based on what some Jewish organizations were after and I doubt they were even living in that part of the world when the map was drawn up.

Yeah, the Brits don't know how to run a country either or are you under the impression things are just hunky-dory in Israel over the last 70 years?
The article was pretty good, kept reading long after I got the info I was looking for.
 

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You are again leaving out Jordan.

Jordan is the name of the Arab portion of Palestine, thats why the West Bank was part of Jordan.

The Idea of an independant Palestine composing of the West Bank and Gaza only came about after Jordan made peace with Israel.


The Historical Palestine was Israel, Jordan and part of Saudi Arabia that Jordan sold to the Saudi's.

Thats not a disputed fact by anyone MHz, go read up on it.
 

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You are again leaving out Jordan.

Jordan is the name of the Arab portion of Palestine, thats why the West Bank was part of Jordan.

The Idea of an independant Palestine composing of the West Bank and Gaza only came about after Jordan made peace with Israel.


The Historical Palestine was Israel, Jordan and part of Saudi Arabia that Jordan sold to the Saudi's.

Thats not a disputed fact by anyone MHz, go read up on it.

I already posted a link to what the British called Palestine, everything west of the Jordan. Here are some maps for you to read up on. I particularity am puzzled by this one, there seem to be soo many Jewish settlements that are on the wrong side of the Israel/Palestine border. Their inability to read properly might explain why they were kicked out of so many countries in the last 1900 years, were they trying to set some sort of record?
NPR : The Mideast : A Century of Conflict : Map8
 

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I already posted a link to what the British called Palestine, everything west of the Jordan. Here are some maps for you to read up on. I particularity am puzzled by this one, there seem to be soo many Jewish settlements that are on the wrong side of the Israel/Palestine border. Their inability to read properly might explain why they were kicked out of so many countries in the last 1900 years, were they trying to set some sort of record?
NPR : The Mideast : A Century of Conflict : Map8

That is only part of the mandate, here:




Also note: At this time, Palestinian referred to Jews. The term "Palestinian" as a non-Jew in the mandate only came after the foundation of Israel.
 

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Their inability to read properly might explain why they were kicked out of so many countries in the last 1900 years, were they trying to set some sort of record?

That's an interesting comment considering there's over a million Arabs in Israel. Should Israel conclude that they can't read properly and throw them out? O wait, that would be ethnic cleansing or even genocide. :p
 

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Name one country that has expelled Arabs in mass numbers?
Want to really defend them, go over that list in an already supplied link and explain how how each and every country that did expel them was in the wrong, go on prove to me how benign they really are. I already know why God kicked them out both times, basically they could not adhere to 10 fairly simple sentences, that seems to be a reading deficiency at best. At worst they are just naturally the kind of people that nobody wants to have hanging around their property for very long. Not that they have a lock on that sort of behavior.
It's like having a not-all-that-well-liked-inlaw come for a visit but never leaves, instead they try to run the place to their standards not yours. How long would these types of guests last at your place or would they even be offered a room at all? Actually if you answer just the above question you won't have to do that report country-by-country although you might find it informative.
Since this is a merry-go-round subject I'll close with this.
Eze:39:21: And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze:39:22: So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze:39:23: And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze:39:24: According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
 
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Only one sentence really matters. No Jews allowed.

That's why Israel is so important, exactly because of the attitude shining through in your latest post.
 

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So what would you do with that in-law? The answer is obvious, that's why you didn't respond.
Don't bitch at me I haven't been unkind to anybody. A person, or in this case a group has to be doing something wrong to get kicked out of so many countries in 1900 years, surely they know why and if it mattered they would not repeat the same actions, it would most likely be the very same pattern in the next country.
Nor was I a part in determining the way God is going to handle the situation. Satan is going to kill a lot more people than just the 12 tribes, 144,000 are spared and then everybody who is dead gets resurrected anyway. The ones doing the killing aren't nearly as fortunate. BTW they are angelic not human.
 

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See how nice it would be if organized religion of all stripes were outlawed, none would ever again hide the rotten bits behind the pulpits.
If you are going to cut out a cancer you don't just remove a small portion. There are segments of society that are much more rotten to the core than some (misguided) religions.
I'm not even sure if you would be the house-guest or the owner of the house, care to enlighten me?
 

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So what would you do with that in-law? The answer is obvious, that's why you didn't respond.
Don't bitch at me I haven't been unkind to anybody. A person, or in this case a group has to be doing something wrong to get kicked out of so many countries in 1900 years, surely they know why and if it mattered they would not repeat the same actions, it would most likely be the very same pattern in the next country.
Nor was I a part in determining the way God is going to handle the situation. Satan is going to kill a lot more people than just the 12 tribes, 144,000 are spared and then everybody who is dead gets resurrected anyway. The ones doing the killing aren't nearly as fortunate. BTW they are angelic not human.

You're right, the Jews must totally have deserved that treatment. And you know who else deserved to be driven from their homes relentlessly? forced to resettle again and again?

Native Americans, kicked from Floria to Oklahoma and beyond!

Oh and the Hmong!

And Armenians!

And the Germanic peoples! And the Irish.. and the Slavs..

Oh, and Muslims!

Yes Im sure they all deserved all the bad things that have happened to them, its always the victims fault right MHz?
 

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If you are going to cut out a cancer you don't just remove a small portion. There are segments of society that are much more rotten to the core than some (misguided) religions.
I'm not even sure if you would be the house-guest or the owner of the house, care to enlighten me?

I am a guest MHZ, everyone here on earth is only a guest. All religions are misguided. They are of human design and have only human purpose. What do you want from us, just one more millenium to prove your theroys? In the great scheme of things the time of religion is nearing a completion, one it cannot survive. No power like the absolute power of god can escape absolute corruption. We mere ordinary mortals have reached that unavoidable conclusion.
Every operation requires the perfect first cut MHZ. I can't think of a more logical choice of jetsom for a floundering world. However there are other institutions aplenty that will have to be unbolted from the decks and consigned to the depths as well, like you say it's not the only rotten bit of the old clay. Nothing can be built from religion but misery and death. We have considerable stockpiles of research papers in considerable warehouses in considerable countries covering some five thousands of years considered history. Why should we wait for the return of batman?:smile:
 

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darkbeaver,

A friend found a T-shirt in a second hand store that said "Repent! Jesus is Coming Soon". They bought it for me because they knew I would appreciate the joke. But I wanted to cross out Repent and put "Duck!" instead.:lol:
 

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Yes Im sure they all deserved all the bad things that have happened to them, its always the victims fault right MHz?
I'll ask you the same question. Why were they kicked out of so many countries if they weren't causing some sort of internal disturbance. Have you ever considered that the citizens of the host countries were being victimized and they rose up and actually did something about it? Of course you wouldn't, your loyalty is blind though.
Why am I so 'negative', they associate themselves with God and they act the very opposite. It's a compulsive behavior, God says no so that is just what they do. They complain about the persecutions they have endured yet they have no restraint in that they commit the very same acts and then dare anybody to criticize them, let alone use some real muscle to halt their actions. Of course nobody will interfere, just like in the cases you provided, nobody did anything.

I am a guest MHZ, everyone here on earth is only a guest. All religions are misguided. They are of human design and have only human purpose. What do you want from us, just one more millenium to prove your theroys? In the great scheme of things the time of religion is nearing a completion, one it cannot survive. No power like the absolute power of god can escape absolute corruption. We mere ordinary mortals have reached that unavoidable conclusion.
Every operation requires the perfect first cut MHZ. I can't think of a more logical choice of jetsom for a floundering world. However there are other institutions aplenty that will have to be unbolted from the decks and consigned to the depths as well, like you say it's not the only rotten bit of the old clay. Nothing can be built from religion but misery and death. We have considerable stockpiles of research papers in considerable warehouses in considerable countries covering some five thousands of years considered history. Why should we wait for the return of batman?:smile:
I would have pegged you as a home-owner with a zero tolerance for interference in the way you run things.

At some point in the future (at the event described below) I'm going to intentionally seek you out just so I can tap you on the back of the head with my palm and say "See."

Re:7:9: After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Re:7:10: And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Since nobody wants to defend the Jews on all the expulsions forced on them I'll do just to convert myself. Maybe the next incident will do that as this first example (expulsion from England of all places) seems rather justified. Could just be my narrow vision though. Please feel free to correct me. 1290, man there is such a long ways to go before we sleep'
The Edict of Expulsion of 1290, expelling the Jews from England
 
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Actually no country recognizes the Israeli annexation of Jerusalem, Zzarchov. You make up stuff and pretend to be sooo knowledgeable
 

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Since nobody wants to defend the Jews on all the expulsions forced on them I'll do just to convert myself.

Considering the first place they were expelled from was their own homeland, your postulation of it being deserved is, with all due respect, plain stupid.