Israel - The Right to exist as a State?

Does Israel have the right to exist with secure borders free from attack


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From your link., that means 460400 were made refugees in just 2 years. Those are war crimes that have never been dealt with. Things haven't gotten any better since then.
 

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Hamas demands that Israel be put on the West's list of terrorist organizations:

Hamas calls on EU to put Israel on terror list

Palestinian Islamist group Israel should be put on list of countries supporting terrorism because it represents a danger to international peace.


GAZA CITY - Hamas urged European leaders on Monday to put Israel on the list of countries supporting terrorism due to its alleged implication in the murder of a top Hamas militant in Dubai last month.
"We call on the European Union to place the Zionist entity (Israel) on the list of countries supporting organised terrorism because it represents a danger to international peace," the Palestinian Islamist group said in a statement.
Hamas, which has controlled the Gaza Strip since 2007, is itself designated a terrorist organisation by the EU and the United States.
The European Union had earlier expressed outrage at the assassination of Hamas commander Mahmud al-Mabhuh and the alleged use of forged EU passports in the killing, which has been blamed on Israel's Mossad spy agency.
Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman insisted on Monday there is no evidence the Jewish state was behind the killing.
Mabhuh, a founder of Hamas' armed wing, was found dead in his hotel room in Dubai on January 20.
Dubai police, accusing Mossad, released the names and photos of 11 suspects who entered the United Arab Emirates on the European passports -- six from Britain, three from Ireland, one from Germany and one from France.
The passports mainly belonged to people with dual nationality living in Israel who were shocked to learn of their being linked to the case.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=37415


Hamas has a point. Israel would be on the terrorist list, except that Western governments are ridiculously hypocritical and blatantly pro-Israeli. If Israel was held to the same standards as other entities on the terrorist list, they'd have no problem qualifying.
 

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Israel - The Right to exist as a State?

The consensus of opinion appears to be yes and no. I mean, how much clearer can this issue get?
 

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Thanks for the smile this morning. :smile:
It's good you are smiling, too bad your 'friends' are going to take it away.

Welcome to Haifa, Mr. and Mrs. Corrie
Steven Plaut

The city of Haifa is still recovering from the trauma of the summer of 2006, when it, along with the rest of northern Israel, was targeted by thousands of Katyusha rockets, fired from southern Lebanon by Hizbullah terrorists. Haifa has also been targeted by several suicide bombers who carried out mass murders against civilians in buses and restaurants.
Now Haifa is about to become the victim of yet another indignity. It is to be the scene for a legal assault by the parents of Rachel Corrie.
Rachel Corrie, you may recall, was a clueless American-flag-burning undergraduate from Evergreen State College in Washington. Urged on by her radical professors, she decided to join the missions organized by the International Solidarity Movement (ISM). She and her comrades were sent off to the “occupied territories” to assist Palestinian terrorist groups.
ISM openly endorses Palestinian “armed struggle” against Israel – which in realistic terms means terrorism against Jews. It was the goal of Corrie and her friends to stop Israeli anti-terror operations – an act that by its very implication would have made it easier for Hamas and its clones to murder Israeli civilians.
Members of ISM are foolishly allowed by the Israeli government to enter the country, where they often serve as human shields for terrorists. In at least one case, weapons hidden on behalf of terrorists were discovered in ISM offices. In another notorious example of collaboration, two British Muslim terrorists blew up the Mike’s Place bar in Tel Aviv on April 30, 2003, killing three Israelis and wounding 50. The terrorists had just before this been hosted by ISM members and they pretended to be in the country to lay wreaths on the grave of – who else? - Rachel Corrie.
Shortly before that attack, on March 16, 2003, young Rachel was part of a group of ISM activists who were attempting to prevent an Israeli earth-mover from demolishing a home sitting atop a Hamas smuggling tunnel in Rafiah. Corrie knelt down in front of the Israeli military bulldozer. The driver insists he would have stopped had she been visible.
Corrie died after being taken away for care in a Palestinian medical facility, possibly from medical incompetence. Her behavior that day in Gaza resembled that of a teenager playing chicken with vehicles on the New Jersey Turnpike in the dark.
Corrie has since become a sort of Mother Teresa for the radical left and apologists for Islamofascism. She is the martyr saint of the pro-terror lobby and is even celebrated by Klansman David Duke.
When Reuters reported that Gaza Palestinians “honored” Rachel after her death in a “symbolic funeral” by flying U.S. flags, the Wall Street Journal’s James Taranto wryly remarked that if Corrie were still alive, she’d no doubt have burned those flags.
The columnist Dennis Prager wrote: ” grieve for Rachel Corrie’s parents, but spare us the hagiography. Rachel Corrie died fighting for the International Solidarity Movement dedicated, in its own words, to ‘armed struggle’ against Israel. She ended up being a useful idiot for, and one more victim of, Palestinian terror.”
Corrie’s death quickly became the focus of an anti-Israel propaganda passion play titled “My Name is Rachel Corrie,” which has been staged in London and other cities. Attempts to stage it in New York City at the New York Theatre Workshop failed in the face of public opposition, but it later ran for a while at the Minetta Lane Theatre in Greenwich Village.
Since Corrie’s death, her parents, Cindy and Craig Corrie, have traveled the planet as a two-person anti-Israel propaganda SWAT team. Not content with mourning their daughter’s tragic death, which resulted from her own foolhardiness, the Corries have devoted themselves to demonizing Israel and supporting Israel’s enemies. They made a special pilgrimage to Yasir Arafat in September 2003 to present him with a large poster of their “martyred” daughter.
The Corries blame Israel for their daughter’s death. But as Israel’s Ynetnews service reported, “An IDF investigation determined that the soldiers were not to blame and said the driver of the bulldozer had not seen her and did not intentionally run her over. The army accused Corrie and the International Solidarity Movement of ‘illegal, irresponsible and dangerous’ behavior.”
Nevertheless, the Corries run the Rachel Corrie Foundation, which disseminates anti-Israel political propaganda. And they share their daughter’s enthusiasm for Hamas “resistance.”
The Corries claim Rachel was just an innocent peace protester, doing nothing more than showing her concern for the human rights of Palestinian civilians. But even the ferociously anti-Israel British newspaper the Guardian confirmed (February 23, 2010) that Corrie was serving as a human shield for terrorists.
The Corries are now suing the State of Israel and the Israel Defense Forces in Israeli court. They and their Arab lawyer, Hussein Abu Hussein, a radical activist (involved in the movement for a world boycott of Israel), filed a civil suit in Haifa court and the first hearing is scheduled for March 10.
The Corries are also suing the Caterpillar company because it sold the bulldozer to Israel that injured their daughter. They are trying to get terror supporters from around the world to boycott the Caterpillar company for the crime of selling bulldozers, some of which are used to fight terror, to Israel. Corrie supporters regularly show up at Caterpillar stockholder meetings to demand that it boycott Israel.
Ironically, the Corries were themselves briefly kidnapped in Gaza by Hamas terrorists in January 2006, when they were in town to show the local jihadis their support. The Jerusalem Post, the British Daily Telegraph and other media outlets reported the incident. Here’s how MSNBC described it:
Palestinian gunmen burst into a Rafah house early Wednesday and tried to kidnap the parents of Rachel Corrie, who was killed in 2003 as she protested the impending demolition of a house in the southern Gaza town, according to a witness.
The five gunmen appeared to be affiliated with the Fatah movement, according to Samir Nasrallah, the Corries’ host. The gunmen eventually relented after being told who their targets were, he said.
According to the Telegraph, “The gunmen wanted to kidnap the couple as bargaining chips to secure the release of a militia leader, Alaa al-Hams, arrested on suspicion of ordering the kidnap of the British human rights activist Kate Burton and her parents .”
The Corries later issued a statement in which they denied they had been kidnapped at all. They had just been hosted at gunpoint. But the simple truth is that the Corries were released once the terrorists realized they were a far more valuable asset for Hamas if they were running around free.
That might have been a marvelous opportunity for the Corries to learn firsthand just what Palestinian terrorism is all about and just why Israel needs to fight terrorism with a variety of means at its disposal, including bulldozers. But it wasn’t to be. The Corries went right on churning out their anti-Israel propaganda, much of it carried on anti-Semitic and pro-jihad websites.
Meanwhile, ISM has a track record of using Israeli courts whenever one of its human shields gets injured or arrested.
In one well publicized case, an ISM volunteer named Tom Hurndall from the UK was injured in the head while he was serving as a human shield for terrorists engaged in a firefight with IDF troops. It turned out Hurndall was shot by an Israeli Bedouin Arab soldier (a fact the anti-Israel British media ignored in their coverage of the case). The heroic Bedouin was returning fire at Hamas terrorists shooting at Israelis. Hurndall’s family sued Israel in Israeli court. So did Orange County ISM activist and lawyer Radhika Sainath.
And now the Corries are coming to Haifa to continue their daughter’s war of aggression against Israel. They are suing Israel as a way to try to revise in court the facts surrounding their daughter’s death. I am hoping some Im Tirtzu students show up with photos of all the Jewish women named Rachel who were murdered by the terrorists the Corries support.
In the name of the embattled citizens of Haifa, I would like to offer the Corries an appropriate welcome to our city, in the form of the following letter:
Dear Mr. and Mrs. Corrie,
You are coming to our lovely town to sue Israel, claiming that your daughter was “killed by an Israeli bulldozer.” But you neglect to mention the circumstances under which she was so killed (nor the fact that she died from her injuries while under Palestinian medical care).
You have stated, “She had been working in Rafah with a nonviolent resistance organization, the International Solidarity Movement, trying to stop the demolition of Palestinian homes and wells.”
Homes and wells, huh?
Well, she was not. Rachel was trying to prevent the demolition of tunnels used to smuggle weapons for Palestinian terrorists seeking to murder Jewish civilians. ISM openly endorses Palestinian “armed struggle” against Jewish children and civilians and openly collaborates with terrorists. It has hidden wanted terrorists and their weapons in its offices. It is an accomplice in murder. Lying is not the best way to drum up sympathy for your daughter.
You say your daughter died trying to protect an “innocent house.” Again, this is not the truth. That “innocent house” was camouflage for a not-so-innocent terrorist smuggling tunnel, and the residents of that innocent house knew all about the tunnel.
Your daughter was in a war zone as a belligerent, on behalf of a movement of Arab fascists seeking to destroy Israel and murder as many Jews as possible. Your daughter died while interfering with an anti-terror operation carried out by soldiers in a land in which she had no business being at all.

You demand that we feel your pain at the loss of your daughter, yet your daughter conscripted herself as an accomplice for those seeking to murder my children. You feel no pain for the scores of martyrs in my own city of Haifa murdered by those same terrorists.
Your daughter put herself in harm’s way by challenging a large bulldozer and positioning herself where the operator could not see her. You know quite well that the bulldozer operator was not seeking to harm her.
You have written, “We had not understood the devastating nature of the Palestinians’ situation.” Of course, you have never expressed any interest in the devastating nature of the Jews’ situation. The Jews have been battling Arab fascism and genocidal terrorism for a hundred years, before, during, and after the Nazi Holocaust of six million Jews. Your daughter was helping those who perpetrate Nazi-like atrocities against randomly selected Jews.
You smugly praise the propaganda play about your daughter,which ignored all the other Rachels – the Jewish victims of terror in Israel who were murdered by genocidal terrorists.
Your daughter, and apparently you as well, never had any understanding of the Middle East conflict. The Middle East conflict is not about the right to self-determination of Palestinian Arabs, but rather about the right to self-determination of Israeli Jews.
For a century the Arabs have attempted to block any expression of Jewish self-determination, using violence, armed aggression, and terrorism. The Arabs today control 22 countries and territory nearly twice the size of the United States. They refuse to share even a fraction of one percent of the Middle East with Jews, even in a territory smaller than New Jersey.
The Arab countries invented the Palestinian people and their “plight” as a propaganda ploy in imitation of the German campaign on behalf of Sudeten self-determination in the 1930s. Just as the struggle for “Sudeten liberation” was nothing more than a fig leaf for the German aggression aimed at annihilating Czechoslovakia, so the struggle for “Palestinian liberation” is nothing more than cover for a jihad to destroy Israel and its population.
Your write, “Clearly, our daughter has become a positive symbol for people.”
I am afraid you are mistaken. Your daughter has become a symbol for dangerous foolhardiness. She essentially committed suicide as an empty gesture to assist murderers and terrorists.

You want the world to mourn for your daughter, who died while working with monsters out to murder our children. On the pages of anti-Semitic propaganda web magazines you denounce Israel, but you do not have a single word of sympathy for the families of the thousands of innocent Israeli victims of the terrorists with whom your daughter chose to ally herself.
On behalf of the citizens of Haifa, all of whom your daughter’s Hamas friends are trying to murder,
I remain,
Steven Plaut



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CDNBear

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MHz, she went there with the expressed purpose of being a human shield. She did just that and lost.

I can't wait until this vexatious case is dismissed without prejudice.
 

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There is no way a person can take a non-violent side or be involved with a non-violent organization on this issue. She became a voluntary human shield and paid the ultimate price for stupidity.
 

MHz

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MHz, she went there with the expressed purpose of being a human shield. She did just that and lost.

I can't wait until this vexatious case is dismissed without prejudice.
Looks like your indoctrination is complete (as they will allow). Back in your humane days you would have recognized that she was in the right place and the dozer was in the wrong place. BTW, adopting the 'whiteman's ways' is not the end-all you might have been lead to believe. Who do you think taught us to act the way we do, after all we are no 'brighter' than any other race so we didn't come up with this 'winning strategy' all by ourselves?

She was helping the least fortunate and as for your determination of her intentions you aren't bright enough to do that accurately. Offering their opinion of her intentions certainly shows your robotonious nature when it comes to saying things that are not facts, PhaseII is speaking similar phrases in a contentious monotonic voice at least 10 times/breath. Want proof that you lack the talent to know what she was thinking, what card am I holding behind my back and what two fingers am I using, you have 10 seconds starting now.

You can tell if the driver is lying or not (about not seeing her) by watching the ends of the machine, if he 'twists' the machine intentionally (a quick back and forth motion, observed by watching the corner of the dozer moving only a few inches side-to-side while the tracks were on top of her.

An investigation by a court would be much more in-depth than your method (or mine). A human shield is held in place against their will, waving a scarf is hardly provocation to 'hit the gas'. The USSR toppled through the actions of just one person, the driver could have been given orders before getting into the tank about not stopping for pedestrians. You or Israel's supporters (including the Media) don't want to look at this the same way it would be investigated by the WCC. If there was a 'stated mission' to keep civilians safe there would have been 'safety people' standing about in case somebody wandered into a blind-zone. That way if somebody darted into that zone the driver could be informed, say to grab a photo album before the machine reversed. I doubt she intentionally got her foot trapped after going halfway round the world to be there to 'help after the dozers have left'.
As it is, ..... the operator should have been informed by his 'co-workers' about a civilian being in danger,since he wasn't then the IDF were not taking any precautions whatsoever, that is probably a war crime sonce the 'co-workers' also carry weapons.
 

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Screw it, let's boycot Israel anyways...I wonder if all the anti Israeli folk around here are actually committed enough to follow through?

YouTube - So You Want to Boycott Israel?

The part your vid is missing is the 100kg HE device coming through the roof as being a deterrent to a safe sleep. Want a link to a site that sells 'Mossad' t-shirts with nifty little sayings on them?
Why not just stop whining about somebody doing an investigation into something that could result in a real independent trial in a court 'trained' to hear about events. Hamas is mentioned in the same report, if anything you should have been cheering (for a trial to go ahead ASAP) the whole time, after all your friends are innocent ..... right?
Isn't it illegal for supermarkets to remove their products? If Isreal would use forged passports to do business abroad they would just change the country of origin on their exported products. Freeze their bank accounts and the seige would be over 4 hours after it started, lol.
 

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Looks like your indoctrination is complete (as they will allow). Back in your humane days you would have recognized that she was in the right place and the dozer was in the wrong place. BTW, adopting the 'whiteman's ways' is not the end-all you might have been lead to believe. Who do you think taught us to act the way we do, after all we are no 'brighter' than any other race so we didn't come up with this 'winning strategy' all by ourselves?
Why is my ethnicity a part of this conversation?

She was helping the least fortunate and as for your determination of her intentions you aren't bright enough to do that accurately. Offering their opinion of her intentions certainly shows your robotonious nature when it comes to saying things that are not facts, PhaseII is speaking similar phrases in a contentious monotonic voice at least 10 times/breath. Want proof that you lack the talent to know what she was thinking, what card am I holding behind my back and what two fingers am I using, you have 10 seconds starting now.
The fact is, she was associating with a known terrorist front, she ended up dead. What facts did I miss?

You can tell if the driver is lying or not (about not seeing her) by watching the ends of the machine, if he 'twists' the machine intentionally (a quick back and forth motion, observed by watching the corner of the dozer moving only a few inches side-to-side while the tracks were on top of her.
Not 20 minutes from my home, a bulldozer operator ran over his own son, killing him. Is he guilty of a war crime to?

Besides that, I look forward to the civil case. I think it should prove to entertaining, at the very least.

The part you vid is missing is the 100kg HE device coming through the roof as being a deterrent to a safe sleep. Want a link to a site that sells 'Mossad' t-shirts with nifty little sayings on them?
I think I already have it, and a few of their shirts too.
Why not just stop whining about somebody doing an investigation into something that could result in a real independent trial in a court 'trained' to hear about events.
Like I said, I'm looking forward to it.
Hamas is mentioned in the same report, if anything you should have been cheering (for a trial to go ahead ASAP) the whole time, after all your friends are innocent ..... right?
Most of the time.
Isn't it illegal for supermarkets to remove their products? If Isreal would use forged passports to do business abroad they would just change the country of origin on their exported products. Freeze their bank accounts and the seige would be over 4 hours after it started, lol.
:lol:
 

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It's good you are smiling, too bad your 'friends' are going to take it away.

Welcome to Haifa, Mr. and Mrs. Corrie

"I am afraid you are mistaken. Your daughter has become a symbol for dangerous foolhardiness. She essentially committed suicide as an empty gesture to assist murderers and terrorists.*
*You want the world to mourn for your daughter, who died while working with monsters out to murder our children."

This all that needed to be said.
 

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Why is my ethnicity a part of this conversation?
That part isn't important at all, in past conversations you mentioned that you support certain things as being 'proper' and 'legal' and 'without malice'. Those policies are enforced by TBTB. Your background might play a part if the topic was related to Hamas wanting to hire Canadian Lawyers (even as just consultants to Palestinainas Lawyers who would then appear in front of any war-crimes trials and/or proposed treaties geared towards peace) who are from the First Nations and have prior experience in court precedences when it comes to human rights issues

The fact is, she was associating with a known terrorist front, she ended up dead. What facts did I miss?
Quite a few.

Not 20 minutes from my home, a bulldozer operator ran over his own son, killing him. Is he guilty of a war crime to?
Was he chasing him? Phone him up and ask him if he would have done anything different that day? How many farmers loose kids when they fall out of the bucket of a front-end loader? Either don't ride there or do it only if tied to the machine. Perhaps the companies that sell farming/construction equipment should hold a one day class on how to use their stuff in the safest manner as possible. These days it is the old man who teaches the next generation, he might not be an expert in safety.
As it is we don't know if the soldiers were extra quiet that night of got drunk and made light of the incident.

Besides that, I look forward to the civil case. I think it should prove to entertaining, at the very least.
Why because it is the first one in 70 years to make it to this level. It should be a UN trial, perhaps with German judges. We might not always choose the best things to be efficient at but we are quite efficient at doing things in a most efficient manner.
To win in an Israeli court is possible, Palestine did win a ruling that made a section of the wall in the West Bank illegal and it was to be torn down. It is now some years later and nothing has been moved. Apparently they need a court that comes with some bite to it. Hail all their airwaves with NT verses about peace and good-will for about a year/charge.

I think I already have it, and a few of their shirts too.
Like I said, I'm looking forward to it.
Most of the time.

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These are new, they also have a decoder sewn into the manufacturers label.
Not very secret to publish the messages in English, it should be in Hebrew as viewed through a mirror. And really why all the cross-hairs, this last kill took around 30 operatives should be seen as 30 cross-hairs. Perhaps they will become the new white spy in spy vs spy series. Wait this is Mossad, they would be both spies doing false-flag missions. Course in the old days they were just after each other, the new version would have them high-fiveing each other on top of a van while 911 burns. Both 'fiction' so they belong together.
 

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That part isn't important at all, in past conversations you mentioned that you support certain things as being 'proper' and 'legal' and 'without malice'. Those policies are enforced by TBTB. Your background might play a part if the topic was related to Hamas wanting to hire Canadian Lawyers (even as just consultants to Palestinainas Lawyers who would then appear in front of any war-crimes trials and/or proposed treaties geared towards peace) who are from the First Nations and have prior experience in court precedences when it comes to human rights issues
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Quite a few.
Quite a few what?

Was he chasing him? Phone him up and ask him if he would have done anything different that day? How many farmers loose kids when they fall out of the bucket of a front-end loader? Either don't ride there or do it only if tied to the machine.
There you go, you just put the responsibility on the person, not the operator, my point exactly and thank you for grasping that...:lol:

Perhaps the companies that sell farming/construction equipment should hold a one day class on how to use their stuff in the safest manner as possible. These days it is the old man who teaches the next generation, he might not be an expert in safety.
As it is we don't know if the soldiers were extra quiet that night of got drunk and made light of the incident.
And this has to do with what? It certainly doesn't have anything to do with a young naive girl helping defend a military target, used to attack Israel.

Why because it is the first one in 70 years to make it to this level. It should be a UN trial, perhaps with German judges. We might not always choose the best things to be efficient at but we are quite efficient at doing things in a most efficient manner.
It's a civil suit, not a criminal trial. :lol:
To win in an Israeli court is possible, Palestine did win a ruling that made a section of the wall in the West Bank illegal and it was to be torn down. It is now some years later and nothing has been moved. Apparently they need a court that comes with some bite to it. Hail all their airwaves with NT verses about peace and good-will for about a year/charge.
8O


These are new, they also have a decoder sewn into the manufacturers label.
Not very secret to publish the messages in English, it should be in Hebrew as viewed through a mirror. And really why all the cross-hairs, this last kill took around 30 operatives should be seen as 30 cross-hairs. Perhaps they will become the new white spy in spy vs spy series. Wait this is Mossad, they would be both spies doing false-flag missions. Course in the old days they were just after each other, the new version would have them high-fiveing each other on top of a van while 911 burns. Both 'fiction' so they belong together.
8O

:lol:
 

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Screw it, let's boycot Israel anyways...I wonder if all the anti Israeli folk around here are actually committed enough to follow through?
Back to the stone age we go. :lol:
Their first usable product was a club, what makes you thing 'we' have ever left it if those things are still the #1 product in the world today. I guess with all those exports the 'donations' can stop and she can now stand on her own feet.
How is that going to affect all the bribes I wonder?
 

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Quite a few what?
Facts.

There you go, you just put the responsibility on the person, not the operator, my point exactly and thank you for grasping that...:lol:
Speaking of grasping ... wow. Try nailing a pedestrian with your car while backing up (or going ahead in a parking lot)see how easily you win that trail. lol

And this has to do with what? It certainly doesn't have anything to do with a young naive girl helping defend a military target, used to attack Israel.
What a little spin-miester you have become, what military target was she protecting, looks like she was filming evidence for a civil trail.

It's a civil suit, not a criminal trial.
And as such this vid will be part of the 'facts', that word 'target' should raise a few eyebrows behind the bench.

MEGAVIDEO - I'm watching it
 

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You mean the fact that she was naively aiding a terrorist group who were trying to protect a terrorist tunnel, that was used to attack Israel. Subsequently, she was killed during the IDF's attempt to remove the ability of this terror group from using said tunnel.

Seeing as the operator was found not guilty of criminal neglagence. The family has sought to file a suit against Israel.

Yep seems I'm up to speed on all the facts.

Speaking of grasping ... wow. Try nailing a pedestrian with your car while backing up (or going ahead in a parking lot)see how easily you win that trail. lol
There is a world of difference between civilian motor vehicle operation, and a war zone.

What a little spin-miester you have become, what military target was she protecting, looks like she was filming evidence for a civil trail.
:lol:

She volunteered to be a human shield to protect supposed homes being bulldozed. She inadvertently became a pawn of a known terrorist front protecting a military tunnel, used to attack Israel, lmao.

And as such this vid will be part of the 'facts', that word 'target' should raise a few eyebrows behind the bench.

MEGAVIDEO - I'm watching it
Interesting video. surely doesn't show much. Except the fact that the fortified dozer, isn't exactly operator visibility friendly.

Something I would keep in mind as I moved around it.

It certainly doesn't show anything that would indicate criminal acts. Hence why the operator wasn't convicted.

I'ld love to know how it is, that I can take crystal clear photos with my cell phone. Yet every time we see these supposed expose's of Israeli aggression, the camera work is shoddy at best, out of focus and almost completely useless?
 
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try it with the sound turned up

"Said tunnels" is only a claim, bring in a backhoe and dissect the earth to show there was a tunnel there. Looks more like a road building operation as there is a pad some hundred meters long before they get close to any building. Looks more like a continuation of this program.

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[SIZE=+0]unawares, destroying their homes and burning them down on top of those inside,[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]thereby making clear to the entire world to what depths of barbarism Zionist had[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]sunk. The attack began as the children were asleep in their mothers' and fathers'[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]arms. In the words of Menachim Begin as he described events, "the Arabs fought[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]tenaciously in defense of their homes, their women and their children." The fighting[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]proceeded from house to house, and whenever the Jews occupied a house, they[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]would blow it up, then direct a call to the inhabitants to flee or face death. Believing[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]the threat, the people left in terror in hopes of saving their children and women. But[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]what should the Stern and Irgun gangs do but rush to mow down whoever fell within[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]range of their weapons. Then, in a picture of barbarism the likes of which humanity[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]has rarely witnessed except on the part of the most depraved, the terrorists began[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]throwing bombs inside the houses in order to bring them down on whoever was[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]inside. The orders they had received were for them to destroy every house. Behind[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]the explosives there marched the Stern and Irgun terrorists, who killed whoever they[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]found alive. The explosions continued in the same barbaric fashion until the[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]afternoon of April 10, 1948.7 Then they gathered together the civilians who were still[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]alive, stood them up beside the walls and in corners, then fired on them.8 About[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]twenty-five men were brought out of the houses, loaded onto a truck and led on a[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]"victory tour" in the neighborhood of Judah Mahayina and Zakhroun Yousif. At the[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]end of the tour, the men were brought to a stone quarry located between Tahawwu'at[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]Shawul and Dair Yasin, where they were shot in cold blood. Then the Etsel and Layhi[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]"fighters" brought the women and the children who had managed to survive up to a[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]truck and took them to the Mendelbaum Gate.8 Finally, a Hagana unit came and dug[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]a mass grave in which it buried 250 Arab corpses, most of them women, children[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]and the elderly.9[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]A woman who survived the massacre by the name of Halima Id describes what[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]happened to her sister. She says, "I saw a soldier grabbing my sister, Saliha[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]al-Halabi, who was nine months pregnant. He pointed a machine gun at her neck,[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]then emptied its contents into her body. Then he turned into a butcher, and grabbed[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]a knife and ripped open her stomach to take out the slaughtered child with his[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]iniquitous Nazi knife."10 In another location in the village, Hanna Khalil, a girl at the[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]time, saw a man unsheathing a large knife and ripping open the body her neighbor[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]Jamila Habash from head to toe. Then he murdered their neighbor Fathi in the same[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]way at the entranceway to the house.11 A 40-year-old woman named Safiya[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]describes how she was come upon by a man who suddenly opened up his trousers[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] and pounced on her. "I began screaming and wailing. But the women around me[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] were all meeting the same fate. After that they tore off our clothes so that they could[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] fondle our breasts and our bodies with gestures too horrible to describe."12 Some of[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] the soldiers cut off women's ears in order to get at a few small earrings.13[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] Once news of the massacre had gotten out, a delegation from the Red Cross tried to[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] visit the village. However, they weren't allowed to visit the site until a day after the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] time they had requested. Meanwhile the Zionists tried to cover up the evidence of[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] their crime. They gathered up as much as they could of the victims' dismembered[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] corpses, threw them in the village well, then closed it up. And they tried to change the[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] landmarks in the area so that the Red Cross representative wouldn't be able to find[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] his way there. However, he did find his way to the well, where he found 150 maimed[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] corpses belonging to women, children and the elderly. And in addition to the bodies[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] which were found in the well, scores of others had been buried in mass graves while[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] still others remained strewn over street corners and in the ruins of houses.14[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Afterwards, the head of the terrorist Hagana gang which had taken part in burying the[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] Palestinian civilians wrote saying that his group had not undertaken a military[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] operation against armed men, the reason being that they wanted to plant fear in the[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] Arabs' hearts. This was the reason they chose a peaceable, unarmed village, since[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] in this way they could spread terror among the Arabs and force them to flee.15[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+0] 13-14 April 1948(Palestine) : a contingent of Lehi and Irgon entered this village (near Tiberias) entered the village on the night of 13 April dressed as Arab fighters. Upon their entrance to the village the people went out to greet them, the terrorists met them with fire, killing every single one of them. Only 40 people survived. All the houses of the village were raised to the ground.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]Abu Shusha Massacre[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1](coming soon)[/SIZE]


[SIZE=+1]THE TANTURA MASSACRE:[/SIZE] May 15, 1948 (Palestine): "From testimonies and information I got from Jewish and Arab witnesses and from soldiers who were there, at least 200 people from the village of Tantura were killed by Israeli troops...
"From the numbers, this is definitely one of the biggest massacres," Teddy Katz an Israeli historian said Tantura, near Haifa in northern Palestine, had 1,500 residents at the time. It was later demolished to make way for a parking lot for a nearby beach and the Nahsholim kibbutz, or cooperative farm.



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