Israel harvested organs in 1990s without permission

MHz

Time Out
Mar 16, 2007
41,030
43
48
Red Deer AB
I assume there is almost a shopping list of what organs are needed and the near dead are 'assessed' to the compatibility (if that is even an issue any longer). If a recipient will build a new hospital wing and I am near dead with little/no health insurance I don't think my chances of surviving the night have just increased
 

EagleSmack

Hall of Fame Member
Feb 16, 2005
44,168
96
48
USA
I assume there is almost a shopping list of what organs are needed and the near dead are 'assessed' to the compatibility (if that is even an issue any longer). If a recipient will build a new hospital wing and I am near dead with little/no health insurance I don't think my chances of surviving the night have just increased

This made me chuckle a bit and it also made me wonder.

I do recall the Governor of Pennsylvania moving to the top of the donor list. Days after he was diagnosed with a disease that destroyed organs he underwent a double heart and liver transplant causing many on the list before him to say...

"WTF!"

Average wait time is 6 months for any organ, but he got two matches within days! Preferential treatment for sure.
 

MHz

Time Out
Mar 16, 2007
41,030
43
48
Red Deer AB
In Canada see how much faster aid is given to a hockey-star over 'a fan'. Private clinics have been around for some time. Big bucks.

In your example the Governor may have had some rare traits that made finding a doner slim and one becoming available was what propelled him to the top of the list? I would hate to think the ultra rich can scan a database that includes even the homeless that shows who are the best matches. Selling your own organs has been around for decades if you live in Brazil or someplace similar. The article said the doner got about $10,000 and the recipient paid about $150,000 plus the cost of the medical care.
 

EagleSmack

Hall of Fame Member
Feb 16, 2005
44,168
96
48
USA
In Canada see how much faster aid is given to a hockey-star over 'a fan'. Private clinics have been around for some time. Big bucks.

In your example the Governor may have had some rare traits that made finding a doner slim and one becoming available was what propelled him to the top of the list? I would hate to think the ultra rich can scan a database that includes even the homeless that shows who are the best matches. Selling your own organs has been around for decades if you live in Brazil or someplace similar. The article said the doner got about $10,000 and the recipient paid about $150,000 plus the cost of the medical care.

Whatever the rarity...he needed both a heart and liver... and got them both within days. It was a huge scandal and there was no doubt that he got the organs while others that were ahead of him waited.
 

MHz

Time Out
Mar 16, 2007
41,030
43
48
Red Deer AB
In this case I'm not sure I want to know how the two died .... okay, I'm dying to find out. Any insight into that angle?
 

EagleSmack

Hall of Fame Member
Feb 16, 2005
44,168
96
48
USA
In this case I'm not sure I want to know how the two died .... okay, I'm dying to find out. Any insight into that angle?

Well like any big case like this I am sure it is tough to say who died. Basically he went to the top of the list and got the first matches for his heart and liver. I doubt they would ever release the names of the people that would have got that heart and liver.

They named an Organ Donor Trust Fund after the Democrat Governor who has since died. I guess he did give a whole lot of money after all.

He went right to the top of the list and had the best transplant specialist in the country do the proceedure.
 

MHz

Time Out
Mar 16, 2007
41,030
43
48
Red Deer AB
He died, there is some irony in there somewhere. Might have to get another tattoo to go with the one in big letter across my chest, Do Not Resuscitate. I hope this topic gets the attention it needs, too bad it wasn't somebody other than Israel in the head-lines.
 

EagleSmack

Hall of Fame Member
Feb 16, 2005
44,168
96
48
USA
He died, there is some irony in there somewhere. Might have to get another tattoo to go with the one in big letter across my chest, Do Not Resuscitate. I hope this topic gets the attention it needs, too bad it wasn't somebody other than Israel in the head-lines.

He died years later.
 

MHz

Time Out
Mar 16, 2007
41,030
43
48
Red Deer AB
I'll try to leave this subject by this last comment. Any idea if heart/lung complications were involved or did somebody do him in for butting into another long line.
 

AnnaG

Hall of Fame Member
Jul 5, 2009
17,507
117
63
I heard something troubling yesterday. Apparently there were 200 deaths in Canada resulting from waiting for organ transplants and that critically ill people are not asked whether they would like to donate a organ in case of death because the people involved don't even think of asking them. If someone asked me on my deathbed, I'd tell them to look in my pocketbook where I keep my donor card.
 

Francis2004

Subjective Poster
Nov 18, 2008
2,846
34
48
Lower Mainland, BC
I heard something troubling yesterday. Apparently there were 200 deaths in Canada resulting from waiting for organ transplants and that critically ill people are not asked whether they would like to donate a organ in case of death because the people involved don't even think of asking them. If someone asked me on my deathbed, I'd tell them to look in my pocketbook where I keep my donor card.

What were the circumstance of those cases ? I understand the need for organ donation and matching is hard to coordinate from what I heard.. On paper it maybe simple to state, but in practical terms it probably becomes difficult as the body often rejects the organ if it is not a close match I would suspect..

Personal experience has shown me different as far as doctors being quick at asking if you are willing to donate or if you are a donor.