Israel harvested organs in 1990s without permission

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Israel harvested organs in 1990s without permission


JERUSALEM — Israel has admitted that in the 1990s, its forensic pathologists harvested organs from dead bodies, including Palestinians, without permission of their families.

The issue emerged with publication of an interview with the then-head of Israel's Abu Kabir forensic institute, Dr. Jehuda Hiss. The interview was conducted in 2000 by an American academic, who released it because of a huge controversy last summer over an allegation by a Swedish newspaper that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to harvest their organs. Israel hotly denied the charge.

Parts of the interview were broadcast on Israel's Channel 2 TV over the weekend. In it, Hiss said, "We started to harvest corneas ... Whatever was done was highly informal. No permission was asked from the family."

The Channel 2 report said that in the 1990s, forensic specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives.

In a response to the TV report, the Israeli military confirmed that the practice took place. "This activity ended a decade ago and does not happen any longer," the military said in a statement quoted by Channel 2.

In the interview, Hiss described how his doctors would mask the removal of corneas from bodies. "We'd glue the eyelid shut," he said. "We wouldn't take corneas from families we knew would open the eyelids."

Many of the details in the interview first came to light in 2004, when Hiss was dismissed as head of the forensic institute because of irregularities over use of organs there. Israel's attorney general dropped criminal charges against him, and Hiss still works as chief pathologist at the institute. He had no comment on the TV report.
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If anyone is surprised at this they really were blind to the world.. It would not surprise me if Muslims ( Palestinians or Iran ) were doing the same but we just don't know..

The US and Canada have been harvesting organs for years under the organ donors program, albeit with consent they would claim, so why would other countries not do experimentation..

They say the practice ended a decade ago.. Hard to believe someone who lied about it in the first place is it not..

Just My Opinion..
 
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Francis2004 said:
Israel harvested organs in 1990s without permission




CTV News | Israel harvested organs in 1990s without permission

If anyone is surprised at this they really were blind to the world.. It would not surprise me if Muslims ( Palestinians or Iran ) were doing the same but we just don't know..

The US and Canada have been harvesting organs for years under the organ donors program, albeit with consent they would claim, so why would other countries not do experimentation..

They say the practice ended a decade ago.. Hard to believe someone who lied about it in the first place is it not..

Just My Opinion..
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Muslim countries harvest organs on a regular basis, they just don't use them after cutting, shooting or blasting them out of their owners. Sometimes they even harvest whole heads with a tow rope.
 
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Thanks LW..

Avro, my point was we are lied to so often by Government, how do we really know.. As far as we know in the US and Canada it is done "with consent" at this time with a movement for change..

News in Ontario that wanted a consideration for making it mandatory to donate organs in what is called "concept of presumed consent"..

Advocates urge overhaul of organ donation system - thestar.com

This is much like Rogers Negative billing.. People need to decide for themselves what needs to be agreed upon.. Not legislated..
 
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I assume any organ coming from any 3rd world country would be with no consent, odd how they come to cost so much more than the local donations and that they happen in line with present day waiting lists. Almost spooky.
 
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The Chinese are huge suppliers of harvested organs.
International pressure is slowly shutting down the system but it still goes on.

Word on the street is they basically harvest on demand from within their penal system.
Slip a few bucks to the right officials and in a week or so once the blood groupings come in a long term prisoner gets led out to a courtyard, kneels down, and someone pops a cap in the back of the guys head.
Organs to go so to speak.
Pack the organs requested on ice and off they go to a top notch private Indian hospital.
Bobs your uncle.

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Okay, let's squelch this right off the bat: my brother works as a supervisor at Trillium, the Ontario organization that sets up organ donation and transports the organs. NO donation is made without consent. Full stop.
 
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Do you think we know everything that always happens.. Only stories like this, seen on shows like 60 minutes, bring out some truth..

Should it be happening anywhere in the world the answer should be NO..

Read on and then Google it if you want.. Then tell me if you still think its not possible..

But where money is concerned you can bet mankind is sure to be making a deal..

U.S. transplant rules do not prohibit hospitals from performing transplants on either foreign patients or those with criminal histories.

The most prominent transplant recipient, Tadamasa Goto, had been barred from entering the U.S. because of his criminal history, several current and former law enforcement officials said. Goto leads a gang called the Goto-gumi, which experts describe as vindictive and at times brutal.

The FBI helped Goto obtain a visa to enter the United States in 2001 in exchange for leads on potentially illegal activity in this country by Japanese criminal gangs, said Jim Stern, retired chief of the FBI's Asian criminal enterprise unit in Washington.

Goto got his liver, Stern said, but provided the bureau with little useful information on Japanese gangs.

"I don't think Goto gave the bureau anything of significance," Stern said. Goto "came to the States and got a liver and was laughing back to where he came from. . . . It defies logic."
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Japanese gang figures got new livers at UCLA - Los Angeles Times

Dealing with scandals
Word of the surgeries at UCLA comes as the U.S. transplant system is slowly recovering from scandals that forced the closure of three transplant programs in California. In one of those, St. Vincent Medical Center in Los Angeles moved a Saudi national up a liver waiting list, bypassing dozens of others, and then covered it up by falsifying paperwork, officials there have acknowledged.
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Japanese gang figures got new livers at UCLA - Los Angeles Times - Page 5
 
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Personally I don't give a hoot if someone needs my organs after I am done with them. I have my donor card anyway, but even if I didn't, I wouldn't object to someone scooping a kidney or something from me after I die.
Some people sure get weird about it.
 
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If it was a choice between life or death, do you suppose they'd give in to pig parts?

I'd be hyper if someone wanted to harvest some of me while I was still using it. Just before they commit me to the pyre? I'm beyond giving a damn....
 
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AnnaG said:
Personally I don't give a hoot if someone needs my organs after I am done with them. I have my donor card anyway, but even if I didn't, I wouldn't object to someone scooping a kidney or something from me after I die.
Some people sure get weird about it.
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I would tend to agree.. I have had a donor card for ages as well..

However I do have issues with queue jumping. Why would someone waiting a a short while deserve a liver faster then someone waiting 5 to 10 years..
 
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The move is on in Canada among the various agencies to change the onus of donation....in other words, it would be permitted to take organs unless it was specifically refused by the deceased..........
 
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