Israel and Genocide: Reality Check
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And yet, as a Palestinian, I must acknowledge: I am responsible for some of what has happened. As a Palestinian, I cannot deny my responsibility for the death of my own people.
The majority of Palestinians has opposed firing rockets into Israel. The Palestinians have understood that these rockets will achieve nothing. Palestinians have called on Hamas to stop firing on Israel and to try to negotiate with the Israeli occupation. But Hamas has never considered Palestinian needs – only its own political interests. And so they have continued to fire rockets at Israel, knowing full-well what the result would be: Hamas paved the road for the death of our people. We knew that Hamas was digging the tunnels that would lead to our destruction.
We all know that three people live on every square meter in Gaza, and Hamas knew that any attack by Israel would lead to massive death. But Hamas leaders are more interested in their victories than in the lives of their victims. Indeed, Hamas needs these deaths in order to claim victory. Death of its own people empowers Hamas, enabling it to accrue more money and more arms.
Hamas has never been interested in liberating the Palestinian people from the occupation. And Israel could never destroy the infrastructure set up by Hamas. Only we, the Palestinian people, could dismantle it.
What could we have done? The residents of the Gaza Strip had the responsibility to rebel against Hamas rule. Yes, Hamas' control is deadly and people have been afraid to express their dissatisfaction with its rule and mismanagement. And yet, we abdicated our own responsibility to ourselves.
We knew this. And we let it happen.
Will these deaths – nearly 1,800 to date, nearly 0.1% of the population of the Gaza Strip – teach us a lesson that we will never forget? The lesson is that we must rid ourselves of Hamas and completely demilitarize Gaza. Then we will open up the border crossings. I say this as a loyal Palestinian and because I care for my own people.
Hamas needs the Palestinians' deaths in order to claim victory | i24news - See beyond
The majority of Palestinians has opposed firing rockets into Israel. The Palestinians have understood that these rockets will achieve nothing. Palestinians have called on Hamas to stop firing on Israel and to try to negotiate with the Israeli occupation. But Hamas has never considered Palestinian needs – only its own political interests. And so they have continued to fire rockets at Israel, knowing full-well what the result would be: Hamas paved the road for the death of our people. We knew that Hamas was digging the tunnels that would lead to our destruction.
We all know that three people live on every square meter in Gaza, and Hamas knew that any attack by Israel would lead to massive death. But Hamas leaders are more interested in their victories than in the lives of their victims. Indeed, Hamas needs these deaths in order to claim victory. Death of its own people empowers Hamas, enabling it to accrue more money and more arms.
Hamas has never been interested in liberating the Palestinian people from the occupation. And Israel could never destroy the infrastructure set up by Hamas. Only we, the Palestinian people, could dismantle it.
What could we have done? The residents of the Gaza Strip had the responsibility to rebel against Hamas rule. Yes, Hamas' control is deadly and people have been afraid to express their dissatisfaction with its rule and mismanagement. And yet, we abdicated our own responsibility to ourselves.
We knew this. And we let it happen.
Will these deaths – nearly 1,800 to date, nearly 0.1% of the population of the Gaza Strip – teach us a lesson that we will never forget? The lesson is that we must rid ourselves of Hamas and completely demilitarize Gaza. Then we will open up the border crossings. I say this as a loyal Palestinian and because I care for my own people.
Hamas needs the Palestinians' deaths in order to claim victory | i24news - See beyond
You have to be in danger to claim self defence. Even keeping the monet from agriculture in the Golan Heights is a war crime. They are not based on what you would have them be. Hamas would win more than it loses at the ICC where the US can't veto anything.
That is funny.
When the USA and allies defended themselves from the Japanese, about 1 million Japanese civilians died.
BTW, you do realize that you aree simply trolling when you claim every death is civilian?? It does not bother me in the slightest, as it absolutely proves you are a moron, completely out of touch with reality.
Bull****.
They are in danger. They were in danger from rocket attacks, and they were in extreme danger from terror attacks through the tunnels into Israel.
There's a strange symmetry between that and your apparent conviction that four civilian deaths isn't an attack.
I believe he was trying to point out that is 4 deaths is called 'an attack' then 10x that many has to also be called that at least. When Israel bombed Damascus the death toll was close to 100. Israel only bragged that up, there was no remorse for taking lives. Did Isreal identify and capture the ones that killed the 4 or was there a collective punishment going on? Does this fit the definition you would give it?
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UN Commission on Human Rights
In a resolution adopted in 1993 on the occupied Arab territories, the UN Commission on Human Rights condemned “the policies and practices of Israel … and, in particular, … collective punishment”.
In a resolution adopted in 1998, the UN Commission on Human Rights:
Calls upon Israel to cease immediately its policy of enforcing collective punishments, such as the demolition of houses and closure of the Palestinian territory, measures which constitute flagrant violations of international law and international humanitarian law, endanger the lives of the Palestinians and also constitute a major obstacle in the way of peace.
In a resolution adopted in 2003 on the question of the violation of human rights in the occupied Arab territories, including Palestine, the UN Commission on Human Rights:
Gravely concerned at the continued deterioration of the situation in the occupied Palestinian territory and at the gross violations of human rights and international humanitarian law, in particular … collective punishments,
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12. Expresses its deep concern again at the military siege imposed on the Palestinian territory and the isolation of Palestinian towns and villages from each other through the establishment of military roadblocks that are used as a trap to kill Palestinians, which contribute, together with other factors, to the acts of violence that have been prevailing in the region for two and a half years, calls upon the Government of Israel to immediately put an end to this practice and immediately lift its military siege of Palestinian towns and villages, and reaffirms that these collective punishments are prohibited under international law and constitute a grave violation of the provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention and Protocol I Additional to the Geneva Conventions.
In a resolution adopted in 2004 on human rights in the occupied Arab territories, including Palestine, the UN Commission on Human Rights:
Taking into consideration the provisions of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949 (Fourth Geneva Convention), the provisions of Additional Protocol I thereto of 1977 and the Hague Convention IV, of 18 October 1907, and Annexed Regulations respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land,
Recalling resolutions of the Security Council, the General Assembly and the Commission on Human Rights relating to the applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, since the 5 June 1967 war,
Reaffirming the applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention to the Palestinian territories occupied since the June 1967 war, including East Jerusalem,
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Gravely concerned at the continued deterioration of the situation in the Occupied Palestinian Territory and at the gross violations of human rights and international humanitarian law, in particular … collective punishments …
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12. Also strongly condemns acts that consist of imposing collective punishments, military siege of Palestinian territories, isolating Palestinian towns and villages from each other by military roadblocks used as a trap to kill Palestinians, demolishing houses and levelling agricultural lands, as these practices contribute, together with other factors, to the acts of violence that have prevailed in the region for over three and a half years, and calls upon the Government of Israel immediately to put an end to these practices and to lift its military siege of Palestinian towns and villages and its military roadblocks, and affirms anew that such co llective punishments are prohibited under international law, as they constitute grave violations of the provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention and Additional Protocol I thereto, and are also war crimes;
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15. Affirms anew that the demolitions carried out by the Israeli occupying forces of at least 30,000 Palestinian houses, facilities and property constitute grave violations of articles 33 and 53 of the Fourth Geneva Convention and that acts of levelling farmlands, uprooting trees and destroying what is left of the Palestinian infrastructure constitute a form of collective punishment to which Palestinians are subjected, grave violations of the provisions of international humanitarian law and war crimes according to international law.
Customary IHL - Practice Relating to Rule 103. Collective Punishments
Long story short, Hamas nor Israel have the right to retribution using force when other avenues are open to them. In particular the UN Courts. You don't get to just 'opt out' whenever it suits National policy.
How many projectiles did Israel shoot up in the air over Israeli soil rather than Gaza? Meaning what goes up must come down and are the remains of those missiles accounted for or is that what Israel is claiming when the Nut says 3500 rockets were fired and landed on Israeli soil? 1 part truth, 9 parts lie.
Lets see if one clown is as stupid as the other.
In danger from sugar rockets and cigarette smokers? You're more gullible than the AGW freaks and a bigger pimp of cultural myth than Cliffy and his disgruntled paiutes.
That comparison is idiotic , saying dropping the nuke was a defensive move is also idiotic. you're also forgetting the men who dropped the nukes almost instantly regretted it.
Not all but most.
It was an attack...should my attention be more focused on 4 dead Israelis or over a thousand dead Palestinians with hundreds of thousands left homeless?
By the way because I acknowledge Israeli commits war crimes and are savage genocidal beasts doesn't mean I'm a Hamas supporter and back everything they do.
Which means that Israel is clearly NOT GUILTY of war crimes since Hamas terrorists are the target. The fact that cowardly Hamas terrorists use civilians as a shield is evidence of how big of cowards the terrorists are.
O.K. All this fighting, bloodshed.. I woke up this morning with a brilliant thought.
The UN is criticizing Israel, why not send UN troops into Gaza to keep the peace..
They can disarm the terrorist group Hamas and ensure no more rockets are fired from Israel.
Just Say'in.
The UN is criticizing Israel, why not send UN troops into Gaza to keep the peace..
They can disarm the terrorist group Hamas and ensure no more rockets are fired from Israel.
Just Say'in.
U.N troops can't walk in and negotiate, Hamas and Israel both have to agree to terms for a permanent ceasefire. Israel wants Gaza demilitarized, Hamas wants Palestine a sovereign state free of Israeli influence.
...and I can't see why they can't have both.
First Hamas must provide the olive branch, no more killing. Then the UN and Israel should give Palestine sovereignty. After they prove they can be peaceful.
It's like a teenager, wanting to drive your car for the first time, he has to prove he is responsible enough to drive the car... maybe a bad analogy. Not trying to equate Palestinians as teenagers, but maybe better then what I have called them in the past.
Why should Israel get what it wants instead of the world getting what it wants?
You owe them something?
You owe them something?