Isis

Can we combine all the ISIS threads please.

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 46.7%
  • Why of course

    Votes: 5 16.7%
  • Yep

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Well I mean really, yes

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Locutus

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Isis are actually attacking non-Muslims, like Christians and Yazidi.



Non-Muslims, such as Christians and Yazidis, in the areas that the ISIS thugs have taken over are VERY afraid, and the reason why they are very afraid is for THESE very threats (scroll down if you dare):

(The truth is that the "progressive", "caring", "non-racist", "kind" Left - the very same people who went on to the Galloway thread to condemn his beating, which he only received because he made a race hate speech - are also the very same people who see no problem with ISIS rampaging across the Middle East and beheading little girls because they have the audacity to be Christians, even going so far as to say that ISIS pose "no threat" and that "nobody is even remotely afraid of them". THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is the REAL "progressive", "caring", "non-racist", "kind" Left.)

It's one reason why....













the shock value of corpses is over rated buddy. you do well enough without it if you get my direction.
 

MHz

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While fungus-leaf and a few others re-post their media clips the gravity of their deeds shouldn't be overlooked. While signing up to do soldier like things comes with certain dangers but it also come with a lot of words that are clearly defined. This is not the only incident when surrendered soldiers have been killed rather than housed in a POW camp. So in this case it is the breach rather than who was affected by it that puts me on Syria's side.
That means looking at who is pulling strings for ISIS and at the moment that would include Canada so why are we fed the opposite story? ( I realize the news people can publish a lie, that does not make the readers obligated to believe it, or it shouldn't. Some small experiments in social programming might show that to be different, it doesn't take a big campaign to buy you days or weeks or months and the years and history books is filtered out over centuries.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/isis-executes-250-syrian-soldiers-in-video-125563/

The Turkish Sailors killed the night of the IDF pirate move was also an operation that they would have carried out, all the Iranian terrorist activities would have been their operation with direction coming from a higher place, if you know what I mean. The same sentence was given to Egyptian soldiers in1967. A war crime tactic that has been used repeatedly, without punishment, maybe we deserve our worst nightmare.
 

Locutus

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Don't get me wrong...I don't think anything like that should be censored at all...I just work here... but society is very morally squeamish when it comes to the dead and barbarism...they insulate their feelings from reality...newspapers and tv news should be showing that because it's part of the story that drives home how sickening people can be to one another whilst they sip their lattes and tippity tap on their devices.
 

MHz

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Don't get me wrong....
(remember the good old days when a 'photo of the Queen doing the deed' would have not caused an international incident?)
I'm on your side, it would also be an open invitation for more of the same, the standard is to show it from one side's pov. The goose-egg photo should have included the actual assault as it might be white England being hypocritical again. (remember the good old days when a 'photo of the Queen doing the deed would have not caused an international incident?)

Be a shame if all the photos of the dead and injured didn't make it into a war crimes investigation that does get wide publicity.

None of my business.
They prefer to steal it by killing a lot of innocent people. It took Haiti 250 years to buy their freedom from France after the shooting stopped.

Give Gaza $300B and what are they going to do, build a port and plant olive trees or by a loaded air-craft carrier and part it off shore and practice 24/7? Considering the local I would think it would be worth more than Haiti. Or is it the rule. pay for it if it is under a dollar, one penny more and kill them all and steal the item.
 

MHz

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Gomer Pyle (Garsh, Sha-zam, Gall-lee) - YouTube
Re drawing maps? Isn't that Israels thing in the ME. that river to that other river stuff
The Brits taught them, that is why the one with Lebannon went way north when the treasures were found off shore. Gaza is obviously a work in progress. Some should tell ISIS that Israel doesn't like loud knocks in the middle of the night unless they are the car-load. They are so sneaky they will probably get the field hospital in the Golan Height in that the rebels will no longer be getting anything but a hot-shot. Drugs and staff, so much fot Master Charge being safe. The topics have probably been covered in detail but I slept in, what can I say?

ISIS CAPTURES UN CROSSING/ISRAEL | InvestmentWatch

Captured ISIS ‘Laptop of Doom’: Plans for Making ‘Bubonic Plague’ Bombs! | InvestmentWatch

ISIS IS CREATED BY THE USA AND ISRAEL! ALL PROOF! | InvestmentWatch

Activist Post: Why Does ISIS Fit In So Perfectly With The PNAC Plan?

NATO strides against ISIS in Syria is Syria and Russia. Wins against other rebels can be Syria or ISIS but killing soldiers is probably ISIS cleaning out the lower members of their ranks rather than it being captured Syrian troops. Reports that are cartoons might take place behind video and photos that are authentic.

I'll bet those Russian drivers didn't even notice the trucks were heavier coming out of the combat zone than they were going in? Probably make the same error as the next convoy does the loop.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140831/192...f-Population-of-900000-Remain-in-Donetsk.html

Syrians or Iraqi citizens wouldn't get that level of protection.
 
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MHz

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The Brits are them.
You didn't think it would be this easy did you?

1. the Boogie Man.
Who would have thunk that ISIS would come on the scene like this?


2. You can't be 'new' if you have an old hat on.
Killing civilians at a higher rate does not make you 'more terrible' it makes you more efficient. Not really something you want on your resume, at any time.

3. Fall guy

4. The West is looking for a graceful exit so ISIS will kill all their old partners, in exchange for Syria keeping quiet they will be left alone as will Iran. Iraq will be the showcase for the new social kkkontrol programs.

5 Example of the control they have where civilians will vacate a whole town just on word that they are coming.

6. Stock Market gains via put options, OBL taught them well as is shown in their 401k. with travel miles doubled if 'working'.

7. The shorts on the soldiers are different design and color so unless they just banded together these atre useless Syrian Rebels (real Syrians) and they are being silenced. The Syrian soldiers massacred on their way back to Syria were layalist troops and they were killed to eliminate them telling what they saw in terms of what went across the border and how well co-ordinated it was so be a random cross-border raid.

8. Funding, Swiss bank accounts for the 'officers' grunts get cash, no retirement fund other than .you go first'.

9.See 8. So big there is no place to surrender to them.

10. It starts with, ' Hello, hello, who's there and why are you laughing like that, . . . . buzzzzzzzzz. ... not tbc . . . .
 
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CONSERVATIVE Ivan Eland says,



Hysteria About ISIS Is Unnecessary


Hysteria About ISIS Is Unnecessary by Ivan Eland -- Antiwar.com


How big of a threat is the group to U.S. security?

The answer is not very much unless the US government makes it so. ISIS has some potential to turn into a threat to the American homeland if Uncle Sam again goes in like gangbusters and makes new enemies, as it already has in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. Unfortunately, the US tendency to see any foreign civil war or brutal group as a threat and be on a hair trigger to use military power has been in evidence with the limited US airstrikes in Iraq against the group now being undertaken.

ISIS funds its operations, in part, by extorting ransom for hostages. In the case of Foley, the group had to forgo a potentially lucrative bounty to tragically and heinously kill an innocent American hostage to make a retaliatory political point. That graphic statement came in response to US airstrikes to stop the group’s progress in Iraq.

Yet ISIS is still a regional threat, not a threat to the US homeland. But don’t take my word for it, listen to the General Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the president’s top military adviser. Dempsey said that there is no sign that ISIS militants are engaged in “active plotting against the homeland." He also said that if the group eventually does threaten the United States, he would not hesitate to recommend taking US military action against the group in Syria, but reiterated that that is not the case now. Dempsey’s remarks were likely aimed at diffusing strident demands by the Keystone (World) Cops – John McCain and Lindsay Graham – and other war(talking)heads demanding that the United States escalate the violence and bomb ISIS in Syria too.

The threat from ISIS’s relatively small force in Iraq has now been blunted and contained. The likelihood is nil that the Sunni group would get much popular support in any invasion of Shi’ite southern Iraq, and it is now getting more effective push back from the Kurdish Peshmerga militias in northeastern Iraq. The only reason the Sunni Arab tribes did not resist ISIS’s reentry into Iraq – remember the group left Iraq as al Qaeda in Iraq, which had been created as a response to George W. Bush’s invasion of Iraq, because Sunni tribes threw them out owing to their excessive brutality – was that the U.S-friendly Shi’ite government of Nouri al Maliki had been oppressing Sunnis. Even more barbaric than its violent precursor al Qaeda in Iraq, ISIS may be again evicted by the Iraqi Sunni tribes if the new Shi’ite-dominant government in Iraq treats Sunnis better than did the ousted al Maliki autocracy or if, even better, Iraq were to be reconfigured into a loose confederation of autonomous regions in which each of the groups had self-rule.

Dempsey also cogently noted that U.S.-friendly countries in the region, such as Turkey, Jordan and Saudi Arabia would have an incentive to stop such a radical group. According to Dempsey, those regional friendlies could cooperate and squeeze ISIS “from multiple directions in order to initially disrupt and eventually defeat them. It has to happen with them, much less with us.” He did not mention that the less U.S.-friendly Shi’ite power in the region – Iran – would have an even bigger incentive to defeat the group and could even cooperate under the table with these regional rivals to get the job done.

So now that US bombing in Iraq has blunted and contained the ISIS threat, instead of US escalation to begin bombing the group in Syria, the best option is for the United States to de-escalate and turn the ultimate destruction of the group over to regional countries. Dempsey did suggest one possibility that should be rejected: US forces could provide more expanded advice and assistance to the Iraqi armed forces. To date, the United States has inserted only a small number of troops back on the ground in Iraq, supposedly to guard US facilities. However, more troops for this added advice and assistance mission could drag the United States back into another Iraqi morass, the way such a modest beginning pulled the United States into the Vietnam War.

Besides, the retaliatory killing of Foley shows that what really unnecessarily stirs the hornets’ nest with barbaric Islamists is non-Muslim attacks on Muslim soil. So instead of the usually unsuccessful jumping in as the world’s policemen, why doesn’t the United States let regional friends take the lead in vanquishing the relatively small ISIS group. The United States should terminate air strikes and turn the fight over to countries in the area that are directly threatened by ISIS. This course of action would dramatically lesson the chance that the United States would needlessly make another enemy in a war it should have avoided.






The CONSERVATIVE commentator says there is no need for the present hysteria which is clearly being stirred up by those who seek to profit from more war.
 

Colpy

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CONSERVATIVE Ivan Eland says,



Hysteria About ISIS Is Unnecessary


Hysteria About ISIS Is Unnecessary by Ivan Eland -- Antiwar.com


How big of a threat is the group to U.S. security?

The answer is not very much unless the US government makes it so. ISIS has some potential to turn into a threat to the American homeland if Uncle Sam again goes in like gangbusters and makes new enemies, as it already has in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. Unfortunately, the US tendency to see any foreign civil war or brutal group as a threat and be on a hair trigger to use military power has been in evidence with the limited US airstrikes in Iraq against the group now being undertaken.

ISIS funds its operations, in part, by extorting ransom for hostages. In the case of Foley, the group had to forgo a potentially lucrative bounty to tragically and heinously kill an innocent American hostage to make a retaliatory political point. That graphic statement came in response to US airstrikes to stop the group’s progress in Iraq.

Yet ISIS is still a regional threat, not a threat to the US homeland. But don’t take my word for it, listen to the General Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the president’s top military adviser. Dempsey said that there is no sign that ISIS militants are engaged in “active plotting against the homeland." He also said that if the group eventually does threaten the United States, he would not hesitate to recommend taking US military action against the group in Syria, but reiterated that that is not the case now. Dempsey’s remarks were likely aimed at diffusing strident demands by the Keystone (World) Cops – John McCain and Lindsay Graham – and other war(talking)heads demanding that the United States escalate the violence and bomb ISIS in Syria too.

The threat from ISIS’s relatively small force in Iraq has now been blunted and contained. The likelihood is nil that the Sunni group would get much popular support in any invasion of Shi’ite southern Iraq, and it is now getting more effective push back from the Kurdish Peshmerga militias in northeastern Iraq. The only reason the Sunni Arab tribes did not resist ISIS’s reentry into Iraq – remember the group left Iraq as al Qaeda in Iraq, which had been created as a response to George W. Bush’s invasion of Iraq, because Sunni tribes threw them out owing to their excessive brutality – was that the U.S-friendly Shi’ite government of Nouri al Maliki had been oppressing Sunnis. Even more barbaric than its violent precursor al Qaeda in Iraq, ISIS may be again evicted by the Iraqi Sunni tribes if the new Shi’ite-dominant government in Iraq treats Sunnis better than did the ousted al Maliki autocracy or if, even better, Iraq were to be reconfigured into a loose confederation of autonomous regions in which each of the groups had self-rule.

Dempsey also cogently noted that U.S.-friendly countries in the region, such as Turkey, Jordan and Saudi Arabia would have an incentive to stop such a radical group. According to Dempsey, those regional friendlies could cooperate and squeeze ISIS “from multiple directions in order to initially disrupt and eventually defeat them. It has to happen with them, much less with us.” He did not mention that the less U.S.-friendly Shi’ite power in the region – Iran – would have an even bigger incentive to defeat the group and could even cooperate under the table with these regional rivals to get the job done.

So now that US bombing in Iraq has blunted and contained the ISIS threat, instead of US escalation to begin bombing the group in Syria, the best option is for the United States to de-escalate and turn the ultimate destruction of the group over to regional countries. Dempsey did suggest one possibility that should be rejected: US forces could provide more expanded advice and assistance to the Iraqi armed forces. To date, the United States has inserted only a small number of troops back on the ground in Iraq, supposedly to guard US facilities. However, more troops for this added advice and assistance mission could drag the United States back into another Iraqi morass, the way such a modest beginning pulled the United States into the Vietnam War.

Besides, the retaliatory killing of Foley shows that what really unnecessarily stirs the hornets’ nest with barbaric Islamists is non-Muslim attacks on Muslim soil. So instead of the usually unsuccessful jumping in as the world’s policemen, why doesn’t the United States let regional friends take the lead in vanquishing the relatively small ISIS group. The United States should terminate air strikes and turn the fight over to countries in the area that are directly threatened by ISIS. This course of action would dramatically lesson the chance that the United States would needlessly make another enemy in a war it should have avoided.






The CONSERVATIVE commentator says there is no need for the present hysteria which is clearly being stirred up by those who seek to profit from more war.

That THUNK you hear is the ostriches jamming their heads back into the sand.

What needs to be done is western countries need to go medieval on ISIS and other terror groups determined to spread Islam across the world.

And I mean a formal declaration of war. Then you could charge those who leave the country to fight with ISIS with treason.........and immediately jail for life any that return.

We have been at war with Islam for 1300 years.

Time to wake up, buttercup.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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That THUNK you hear is the ostriches jamming their heads back into the sand.

What needs to be done is western countries need to go medieval on ISIS and other terror groups determined to spread Islam across the world.
Medieval? The period in Europe characterised by lots of beheadings? Yeah, that'll prove we're so much better than they are.
 

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CONSERVATIVE Ivan Eland says,
The CONSERVATIVE commentator says there is no need for the present hysteria which is clearly being stirred up by those who seek to profit from more war.
Libertarian maybe, not conservative just because you say he is.