Is the United States Actually Getting Warmer?

[JLM]

You can see there is no pattern in all that archived data.

Eureka


Temperature: Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Year
Daily (°C) -36.6 -38.4 -37.4 -28 -10.9 1.9 5.4 3 -8.4 -22.3 -32 -34.5 -19.9
Daily Maximum (°C) -33.1 -35 -34.1 -23.9 -7.6 4.4 8.4 5.4 -5.5 -18.6 -28.6 -31 -16.6
Daily Minimum (°C) -40.3 -42 -40.9 -32.2 -14.5 -0.7 2.4 0.6 -11.4 -26.1 -35.6 -38.1 -23.2
Extreme Maximum (°C) -1.1 -1.1 -12.2 -2.8 6 17.8 19.4 16.7 6.1 1.7 -1.7 -2.1
Date(yyyy/dd) 1958/23 1963/05+ 1988/12 1971/26 1988/17 1957/30 1950/16 1965/03 1966/01 1955/09 1947/11 1978/23
Extreme Minimum (°C) -53.3 -55.3 -52.8 -48.9 -31.1 -13.9 -2.2 -10.5 -31.7 -41.7 -48.2 -51.7
Date

Short season up there for growing tomatoes and cukes! :lol:

Go to the link,the data's there from many years ago,notice any trends?
I did right away,for instance it gets cold in the winter and warm in the summer every year.
No change in total rainfall,winds,etc etc year after year....or is this data supposedly corrupted?

I remember some of those years,looks accurate to me.

You mean CCCCCCCCCCCCold in the winter and Nnnnnnnnnnnnot quite so cold in the summer! :lol:

I have no idea what you are geting at or what all that mass of data that you give no explanation for is supposed to convey7.

Looks fairly straight forward to me! Daily av. temp., daily min. temp., daily max. temp. ext. warm for month, ext. cold for month.............. not rocket science. Precipitation means rain above zero C and snow below zero C

 

[Kakato]

Thats a cool site,you can pick your own town and go back to those big cold snaps that you can never forget.

You can see why they call the arctic a desert,not much moisture falls in a year.

 

[JLM]

Thats a cool site,you can pick your own town and go back to those big cold snaps that you can never forget.

You can see why they call the arctic a desert,not much moisture falls in a year.

Yep, anyone remember Nov. 11-13, 1955 in southern B.C.? I was at the cenataph in Duncan with the Boy Scouts! Ffffffffffffg. cccold! :lol:

 

[Niflmir]

You can see there is no pattern in all that archived data.

Eureka

You do realize that you are only posting a single years worth of averages, correct?

Somehow you do not see the clear sinusoidal annual variation of temperature... but you expect to be able to see a lack of a pattern over 3 decades of data?

Not to mention all the other statistical fallacies of hoping to see a global trend locally.

Or longitudinally for that matter.

 

[JLM]

You do realize that you are only posting a single years worth of averages, correct?

Somehow you do not see the clear sinusoidal annual variation of temperature... but you expect to be able to see a lack of a pattern over 3 decades of data?

Not to mention all the other statistical fallacies of hoping to see a global trend locally.

Or longitudinally for that matter.

No way!

 

[Nuggler]

quoth Cabbage: "Those that survivied, did so primarily by marrying Eskimo's, and learning to live as they did.''


Where TF did you get that gem??

Seriously, I'd like to read it.

If we get a sudden freeze here, there's not a bunch of Eskimos to marry. Guess we'll freeze and starve.

Put me on an iceberg and shove me off. Give my knees to the needy.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

quoth Cabbage: "Those that survivied, did so primarily by marrying Eskimo's, and learning to live as they did.''


Where TF did you get that gem??

Seriously, I'd like to read it.

If we get a sudden freeze here, there's not a bunch of Eskimos to marry. Guess we'll freeze and starve.

Put me on an iceberg and shove me off. Give my knees to the needy.

You may have missed where I said the opposite!

 

[Tonington]

You can see there is no pattern in all that archived data.

Eureka


Temperature: Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Year
Daily (°C) -36.6 -38.4 -37.4 -28 -10.9 1.9 5.4 3 -8.4 -22.3 -32 -34.5 -19.9
Daily Maximum (°C) -33.1 -35 -34.1 -23.9 -7.6 4.4 8.4 5.4 -5.5 -18.6 -28.6 -31 -16.6
Daily Minimum (°C) -40.3 -42 -40.9 -32.2 -14.5 -0.7 2.4 0.6 -11.4 -26.1 -35.6 -38.1 -23.2
Extreme Maximum (°C) -1.1 -1.1 -12.2 -2.8 6 17.8 19.4 16.7 6.1 1.7 -1.7 -2.1
Date(yyyy/dd) 1958/23 1963/05+ 1988/12 1971/26 1988/17 1957/30 1950/16 1965/03 1966/01 1955/09 1947/11 1978/23
Extreme Minimum (°C) -53.3 -55.3 -52.8 -48.9 -31.1 -13.9 -2.2 -10.5 -31.7 -41.7 -48.2 -51.7
Date(yyyy/dd) 1966/08+ 1987/18+ 1948/04 1964/08 1970/01+ 1974/05 1961/30+ 1985/16 1961/25 1953/29 1989/28 1972/19
Precipitation:
Rainfall (mm) 0 0 0 0 0 3.7 10 7.9 0.9 0 0 0 22.4
Snowfall (cm) 3.5 3.4 2.7 4.1 3.4 3.1 1 4 10.9 9.3 4.2 3.6 53.3
Precipitation (mm) 3 3 2.4 3.5 2.9 6.6 11 11.6 10.2 7.7 3.3 2.9 68
Snow Depth at Month-end (cm) 17 19 20 20 14 0 0 0 6 11 13 14
Extreme Daily Rainfall (mm) 0 0 0 0 0.3 14.5 19.1 41.7 6.2 0 0 0
Date(yyyy/dd) 1990/31+ 1990/28+ 1990/31+ 1990/30+ 1966/30 1951/15 1961/13 1953/17 1985/18 1990/31+ 1990/30+ 1990/31+
Extreme Daily Snowfall (cm) 4.3 4.6 5.7 7.8 9.7 9.4 5.8 6.4 14.5 13.5 7 15.2
Date(yyyy/dd) 1977/10 1963/10 1980/20 1990/10 1966/10 1967/21 1976/13 1981/08 1966/19 1955/15 1979/29 1983/23
Extreme Daily Precipitation (mm) 4.3 4.6 5.1 6.6 7.4 14.5 19.1 41.7 13.7 13.5 6.7 6.2
Date(yyyy/dd) 1977/10 1963/10 1952/05 1990/10 1966/10 1951/15 1961/13 1953/17 1957/02 1955/15 1979/29 1983/23
Degree Days:
Above 18 °C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Above 5 °C 0 0 0 0 0 8.6 32.9 12.7 0 0 0 0 54
Below 0 °C 1138.8 1086.8 1166.2 842.9 342.6 23.3 0 7.6 255.6 694.4 964.3 1071.3 7594
Below 18 °C 1696.8 1595 1724.2 1382.9 899.9 484.4 390 465.6 794.3 1252.4 1504.3 1629.3 13819
Days With:
Maximum Temperature >0°C 0 0 0 0 3 25 31 29 5 * 0 0 93
Measurable Rainfall 0 0 0 0 * 3 6 5 * 0 0 0 14
Measurable Snowfall 5 4 3 5 4 2 * 3 8 8 4 4 52
Measurable Precipitation 5 4 3 4 4 5 6 7 8 8 4 4 61
Wind:
Speed (km/h) 9 9 8 9 12 17 17 15 12 8 7 9 11
Most Frequent Direction E E C SE SE W W W SE C C E SE
Hourly Speed (km/h) 113 95 113 85 64 70 77 74 89 100 89 103
Direction S S SE S NW S S S S NW S NW
Gust Speed (km/h) 126 115 113 102 81 93 108 101 109 83 119 107
Direction E NE S NW S E S S S N E N
Pressure:
Station Pressure (kPa) 101.48 101.70 101.89 102.00 101.75 101.14 100.91 100.91 101.17 101.30 101.61 101.44 101.44
Sunshine:
Bright Sunshine (hours) M M 113.5 358.6 511.9 409.2 357.9 242.6 97 M M M N
Humidity:
Vapour Pressure (kPa) M M M N 0.23 0.54 0.66 0.61 0.31 N N M N


Legend
+ = most recent occurrence of the extreme value
M = no data for the period
* = quantity is less than one
N or X = data exists, but not enough to derive a value

No pattern at all? Well the mish mash of data you presented contains all sorts of different types of data. If you weren't so down on graphical representation of the data, you might actually be able to see a pattern. Here's the Eureka station data from 1947 to present:

You would have to be blind to say there is no tenancy in that data as the time series moves from the beginning of the dataset to the end.

 

[Kakato]

No pattern at all? Well the mish mash of data you presented contains all sorts of different types of data. If you weren't so down on graphical representation of the data, you might actually be able to see a pattern. Here's the Eureka station data from 1947 to present:

You would have to be blind to say there is no tenancy in that data as the time series moves from the beginning of the dataset to the end.

Cold in winter,warm in summer?

 

[Tonington]

Cold in winter,warm in summer?

Yes...it only gets cold in winter and warm in summer at the end of that time series. When you were a kid there was no such thing as summer and winter... Ridiculous. You may not be blind, but you ought to get those eyes checked. Those are yearly averages.

 

[Kakato]

Yes...it only gets cold in winter and warm in summer at the end of that time series. When you were a kid there was no such thing as summer and winter... Ridiculous. You may not be blind, but you ought to get those eyes checked. Those are yearly averages.

I can tell you exactly with in one week when it will freeze on the northern tip of Hudsons bay,like clockwork,and when it will melt within 1 week.
If the tundra is still red in the end of september,you get one more week before you better get out of dodge before winter starts.I learned all this from guys who spent 30 or more years up there so if my life depended on a graph or the land telling me what was coming I would choose the guy with the experience and nature over the graph.

 

[Tonington]

I can tell you exactly with in one week when it will freeze on the northern tip of Hudsons bay,like clockwork,and when it will melt within 1 week.

That's called...weather. If you document the time of those events over many years, decades, then you're talking climate.

Your assertion that there is no pattern in Eureka's long term temperature records is plainly wrong.

 

[Kakato]

That's called...weather. If you document the time of those events over many years, decades, then you're talking climate.

Your assertion that there is no pattern in Eureka's long term temperature records is plainly wrong.

You also have to take into account any events like volcanic eruptions and el-Nina and cross reference them to weather anomalies on the enviro canada website.
I'm not much of a graph guy,I just used that site when I was campbound for 20 days in a ground blizzard,waiting to set a record for coldest day in the arctic.
Now I am curious as to how the weather during the eruption of mount st. Helens happened looks like on the enviro Canada website.

Did the eruption change our weather?

There's a project for ya Tonn.

Make it simple so us non graph guys can understand.

 

[Tonington]

You also have to take into account any events like volcanic eruptions and el-Nina and cross reference them to weather anomalies on the enviro canada website.

They do.

I'm not much of a graph guy,I just used that site when I was campbound for 20 days in a ground blizzard,waiting to set a record for coldest day in the arctic.

Good graphs are just depictions of the data. When you have a huge data set it can be difficult to make sense of any interesting trends the data is showing. If you're talking about changes over time, it's important to be able to see how the variable of interest changes over time.

Now I am curious as to how the weather during the eruption of mount st. Helens happened looks like on the enviro Canada website.

Well, it was a big explosion. World average temp went down by a tenth of a degree or so. El Chichon, a similar sized eruption emitted way, way more sulphur, which produces clouds of sulphuric acid in the upper atmosphere. The effect of that eruption was a drop in word temperatures of half a degree. Those droplets reflect incoming solar, far more than dust in the atmosphere.

To see how that would look from the Environment Canada data is more work than I'm willing to do. It's actually a good topic considering the nonsense in the OP. You'd want to find records distributed in a grid across the country, and then compute area averages. In fact someone has probably already done that work and published it. Coincidentally that is what they do with the US station record mentioned in the OP. The adjustments for time of day measurement changes, station moves, increasing urbanization, instrument changes, all have to be accounted for in long-term data sets. Otherwise you get artifacts in the data.

Want to see something that will blow the mind of the naysayers of the surface record? Here's the last 30 years of temperature anomaly data from NASA GISS, HadCRUT, MSU RSS, and UAH. The last two are satellite records. The first two are surface temperature measurements from thermometers. Compare the slope of the trend lines, which is what matters:

The difference between those sloped lines is not significant. The satellites are confirming the surface temperature record.