Is the Queen Catholic?

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No, this is not thread on religion! It is about the absurd situation in Britain, and for the few monarchists in Canada who care and who trumpet Elizabeth Regina as our head of state, in Canada, that the British monarchy, and hence the entire British caste system, is tied to the Anglican Church.
There are fewer Britons who attend the Anglican Church than the Catholic Church. And, soon with wholesale defections to Catholicism, the Queen and the laws governing who can become monarch, will cater to an even smaller rump.
And as a secular state, it is intolerable that Canada have a head of state that is tied to a particular church by law.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/opinion/25wilson.html?th&emc=th
 

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The Queen (and any British monarch who happens to be reigning) is Head of the Church of England, so the monarch can only be Church of England. It's similar to the Pope, who is Head of the Catholic Church - the Pope can therefore only be Catholic. The monarch being Head of the Church of England is required under Article 2 of the 1707 Treaty of Union.

Some ignorant members of Britain's left-wing Labour Government, including the Scotsman, Prime Minister Gordon Brown, which has a track record of cultural and historical vandalism, wish to change the law to allow Catholics and other religions other than Church of England to become Monarch. This would probably give us the bizarre situation of a Catholic being Head of the Church of England, which wouldn't go down well with both Protestants and Catholics.



The established Church in England is the Church of England, and there are far more people in England and Wales whose religion is Church of England than those who are Catholic (13.4 million Church of England and 4.2 million Catholics). On top of those 13.4% million Church of England followes are people who are members of other branches protestantantism.

Just 13% of people in England and Wales are Catholics, and about 17% in Scotland.

Canada is opposite to Britain because there are more Catholics - 44% of Canadians are Catholics and 29% are Protestants, according to the 2001 census.

Protestants are also in the majority in Scotland and Wales -Presbyterianism is the established church in Scotland, and the Church of Wales is the established church in Wales, both of which are protestants churches.

I think Britain is also the only country in the Western World - or, at least, the only supposedly secular country - to have members of a religion sitting in parliament.

The monarch has been the Head of the Church of England since the reign of Henry VIII, when he broke the English Church away from Rome in 1534 and made himself, rather than the Pope in a foreign land, its Head. Henry made himself Supreme Head of the Church of England to ensure the annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon.

In fact, Britain is one of only around nine or ten countries in the whole of Europe where the majority of people are protestants. The others are Germany, Holland, the Scandinavian countries (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland and Finland) and a couple of the Baltic states (Estonia and Latvia). It's also interesting to note that Britain, Germany, Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Holland are all Germanic states.
 
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If Britain does not change the law and remove the anachronistic foolishness that a king or queen can be the head of a church, then it is time for Canadians to break another anachronistic foolishness!
 
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gerryh

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If Britain does not change the law and remove the anachronistic foolishness that a king or queen can be the head of a church, then it is time for Canadians to break another anachronistic foolishness!


Why? What does the Queen of Canada being head of the Church of England have to do with anything?
 

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Perhaps it's time for the British division of the House of Hanover declare that it no longer will rule former colonies from "a foreign land"?
 

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No, this is not thread on religion! It is about the absurd situation in Britain, and for the few monarchists in Canada who care and who trumpet Elizabeth Regina as our head of state, in Canada, that the British monarchy, and hence the entire British caste system, is tied to the Anglican Church.
There are fewer Britons who attend the Anglican Church than the Catholic Church. And, soon with wholesale defections to Catholicism, the Queen and the laws governing who can become monarch, will cater to an even smaller rump.
Yeah, isn't it funny that Englund is stuck with the Anglican CoE? Perhaps the monarchy will be the only Anglicans left on the planet. roflmao
And as a secular state, it is intolerable that Canada have a head of state that is tied to a particular church by law.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/opinion/25wilson.html?th&emc=th
It's not intolerable, it's typical. Typical of a country that purports to be one thing and is actually something else. Typical and annoying.
 

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Perhaps it's time for the British division of the House of Hanover declare that it no longer will rule former colonies from "a foreign land"?

That’s non-sensical.

For Canada, Her Majesty The Queen of Canada is exactly that — The Queen of Canada, a separate constitutional role of Her Majesty’s other nations. The Queen of Canada does not reign as a British monarch, but as a Canadian monarch per s. 7 of the Constitution Act, 1867, where executive power is reposed exclusively with The Queen. The Honourable the Senate of Canada has already made the determination that The Queen’s role as Defender of the Faith is compatible with Canadian values, so there is no issue.
 

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That’s non-sensical.

For Canada, Her Majesty The Queen of Canada is exactly that — The Queen of Canada, a separate constitutional role of Her Majesty’s other nations. The Queen of Canada does not reign as a British monarch, but as a Canadian monarch per s. 7 of the Constitution Act, 1867, where executive power is reposed exclusively with The Queen. The Honourable the Senate of Canada has already made the determination that The Queen’s role as Defender of the Faith is compatible with Canadian values, so there is no issue.

I respect your right to be wrong.
Percent of Canadians whose "Faith" the Queen defends - 6.9% Statistics Canada , Census 2001.
 

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I respect your right to be wrong.
Percent of Canadians whose "Faith" the Queen defends - 6.9% Statistics Canada , Census 2001.
This reminds of an incident a few decades ago when the Queen was visiting Montreal and somehow a transvestite was able to present the Queen with a bouquet of flowers. His remark was, " From one queen to another."
 

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I respect your right to be wrong.
Percent of Canadians whose "Faith" the Queen defends - 6.9% Statistics Canada , Census 2001.


what the hell does it matter what "faith" the Queen is? I'm Catholic and have no problem whatsoever with the fact that the Queen is not Catholic. Main reason for that is that I am not ignorant enough nor intolerant of others faiths to make an issue of it. The Queen does not "require" me,as a subject of hers, to be of the same faith, therefore I afford her the same courtesy of not "requiring" her to be of the same faith as I.
 

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Some ignorant members of Britain's left-wing Labour Government, including the Scotsman, Prime Minister Gordon Brown, which has a track record of cultural and historical vandalism, wish to change the law to allow Catholics and other religions other than Church of England to become Monarch.

And what would be the problem with that??? I think it shows that you are 'ignorant'.
 

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According to the erotic tv show the BBC's Tudor, No

King Henry wanted a divorce from his wife and the Vatican would not allow it so he started his own religion.
 

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Secular means there is no religious requirement for a position. This was necessary in the old days because religion was important for people and a perfectly good reason to kill your neighbour. Kind of like what is going on in Iraq and other parts of Asia right now. Among Muslims, Shia Muslims cannot rule Sunni Muslims. Just like in Europe centuries ago, Protestants could not rule Catholics, if they did you could attack them or their nation.

Now these issues are irrelevant to us, but govts and religions hold outdated attitudes, and we don't mind because they no longer trouble us. However, cutting these bonds formally is necessary to limit their role in govt policy and prevent a reviival. So, the sooner we dump the monarchy in Canada, the better off we'll be.
 

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Secular means there is no religious requirement for a position. This was necessary in the old days because religion was important for people and a perfectly good reason to kill your neighbour. Kind of like what is going on in Iraq and other parts of Asia right now. Among Muslims, Shia Muslims cannot rule Sunni Muslims. Just like in Europe centuries ago, Protestants could not rule Catholics, if they did you could attack them or their nation.

Now these issues are irrelevant to us, but govts and religions hold outdated attitudes, and we don't mind because they no longer trouble us. However, cutting these bonds formally is necessary to limit their role in govt policy and prevent a reviival. So, the sooner we dump the monarchy in Canada, the better off we'll be.

Her Majesty The Queen of Canada is not the head of any church or faith organisation for Canada, so your argument is completely defeated (before the conversation has even started). I would encourage you to review the Constitution Acts, 1867–1982, such that you may understand [some day] that The Queen is the Sovereign of Canada, for our constitutional purposes, and that Her Majesty’s legal roles or positions elsewhere are not relevant to the discussion at-hand. There is no mechanism — legal, constitutional, practical, conventional or otherwise — for The Crown of Canada as Defender of the Faith to assist or have any role in the development of any policy. dumpthemonarchy, it seems that you’re simply making things up at this point.
 

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Why does a democracy need a queen or any figure head like the GG? Tradition is out dated and irrelevant in the 21st century. I really don't see what the debate is about. One likes having a monarchy and the other doesn't but to me it is a meaningless concept.