Is the HOCKEY coach a pedophile?

[Lineman]

What have you seen wulfie with respect to the numbers of offenders?

I think 5 % is by far not an exaggerated number, needles to say that Fleury ‘extremely disappointed’ looking at convicted coach pardoned, that is a further indictment against this creep James and the system.

We live in an electronic age were surveillance is a security feature, not a hobby like some have suggested here, what is so wrong in allowing this enhanced security feature known to mankind do its job and prevent any one entering the personal territory of another human being 2’x 2‘.

No one has to sit there and monitor the cameras, Each interaction between groups using the facility would be on a microfilm video record with all interaction available for questioning in the event or when ever a complaint arises.

By following the theory that kids are afraid to speak out because they have been threatened, crap total crap. Yes Talloola has made some good suggestion, lots of posting on the walls warning kids of their territorial boundary 2’x 2‘. and that it should be reported immediately as the first sign of abuse appears.

Nothing wrong with that idea, but video capability will insure justice with out the chance of any one wrongfully accusing a Coach as well, we have to think of that side of the coin too.

In today's world with all our awareness 5% is an extremely exaggerated number. Most jurisdictions won't let you coach more than one season without being certified through a coaching training program of some sort. Some organizations even require a Police Record Check be done before they'll let you near the kids. Having 2 adults present at all times is sufficient deterrent along with the training which covers most every situation. Parents are acutely aware of well publicized incidents such as what James did and don't hesitate to get their noses in there if they have the least bit of suspicion.
From a coach's point of view you can be sure that they are well aware of all the "eyes" on them. How would you act around 20 or more kids with their parents watching you?

Cameras in the dressing room? Parents would tear it down before you got one second of tape.

What's really disturbing about James coaching in Italy is what I heard on CBC news, They know his history but still hired him!

 

[Downhome_Woman]

I think we should leave the teenagers out they are of legal age and fall under a deferent time table restriction from their parents then a child age 5 - 10,

A pedophile will not set up a date with a 10 year old being the child is under stricter supervision , he or she will set up a deferent location to do the dirty deed. The 5 -10 year old getting assaulted at this fragile time some where in the facility, 2 floors down from where the parents are, while the parent waits on the benches talking to other parents waiting for their kid to come out dressed ready to go home.

That is where electronic surveillance should be provided to catch such luring activity. In deferent parts of the facility. While instead the kid is getting assaulted for two years and the kid has been told to keep quiet, other wise “I will hurt you do you understand?” That is wrong to allow that to continue. This has to be made very public, while public awareness will inform the vulnerable and put the predator on notice.

Having been the parent of 2 teenagers I really don't want them left out. Sorry, but while they may be better at making decisions than a 10 year old, the decisions they make aren't necessarily better. My girls came to decisions that later, as adults they NEVER would come to.

A 15, 16, 17 year old 'consenting' to have sexual relations with their coach is still a victim. The coach is in a position of authority and that teenager is just that - a teenager with all the angst and self issues of that age group - and if you want to add on things like home strife, school issues - a coach is someone that these kids - young or teenage - relies on and often talks to when they feel that they can't talk to anyone else. Teens can be just as vulnerable as younger ones - just in a different way.

 

[karrie]

What's really disturbing about James coaching in Italy is what I heard on CBC news, They know his history but still hired him!

Well... to play devil's advocate... it shouldn't change the way you let your kids be around the coach, right?

You should basically be assuming their coaches are pedophiles anyhow.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

If you knew anything about James, which is what this thread started with, you'd know that he mostly assaulted the kids when they were at his house.

How would having cameras in arenas prevent that?

So that would be a scenario on an older youngster, the bent coach is not going to ask a 5-10 to come to his house, he is going to molest the 5 and 10 first some place in a quiet location of the facility where surveillance is weak.

For teenagers were did the initiation of the meeting setup take place, in or outside the dressing room, in the arena facility, surveillance would detect a red flag if inappropriate behaviour is taking place, thus creating an automatic alarm, why let some morally bent individual continue to suppress and degrade the dignity of a child, by such a dirty deed.



At the Air Port who thought that we in order to be allowed to travel internationally we would have to be physically screened in order to be considered a none risk, why is this type of security not important when it comes to young life’s start of abuse at 5-10, totally living a scar in a soul while a bent individual gets pleasure..... That is sooooooooooooooooooo crazy beyond bazaar .....beyond belief .......

 

[talloola]

Having been the parent of 2 teenagers I really don't want them left out. Sorry, but while they may be better at making decisions than a 10 year old, the decisions they make aren't necessarily better. My girls came to decisions that later, as adults they NEVER would come to.

A 15, 16, 17 year old 'consenting' to have sexual relations with their coach is still a victim. The coach is in a position of authority and that teenager is just that - a teenager with all the angst and self issues of that age group - and if you want to add on things like home strife, school issues - a coach is someone that these kids - young or teenage - relies on and often talks to when they feel that they can't talk to anyone else. Teens can be just as vulnerable as younger ones - just in a different way.

Yes I agree, 10 yr old or teenager, doesn't make any difference, just a different plan by the miserable piece
of **** who does the attacking.
As parents and law enforcement, we realize that teenagers
can be taken advantage of just as well as children, just
in a different manner.
These disturbed people are manipulative and verbally aggressive, and will figure out how to 'get their way',
they will pick the victims they know they can wrap around
their little finger, and con them into doing what they
are told.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Yes I agree, 10 yr old or teenager, doesn't make any difference, just a different plan by the miserable piece
of **** who does the attacking.
As parents and law enforcement, we realize that teenagers
can be taken advantage of just as well as children, just
in a different manner.
These disturbed people are manipulative and verbally aggressive, and will figure out how to 'get their way',
they will pick the victims they know they can wrap around
their little finger, and con them into doing what they
are told.

One thing talloola, is that if youngsters understand clearly by your suggestion which is a good one, to post information on the walls alerting the vulnerable is a great start, education will lead to rejection, the predator will have a harder time convincing a teenager when in fact the teenager from age 5 has been introduced to this problem by the parent telling them let me know as soon as anyone touches you inappropriately.
When 5-10 is attacked and abused and went unnoticed because of denial or fear to refuse to offer little kids their right to dignity , there is something wrong here and it needs fixing, not the Churches turning a blind eye, or the creep that Hired coach James in Italy knowing he has problems.....E..Surveillance is a deterrent and a good judge of character.

 

[lone wolf]

One thing talloola, is that if youngsters understand clearly by your suggestion which is a good one, to post information on the walls alerting the vulnerable is a great start, education will lead to rejection, the predator will have a harder time convincing a teenager when in fact the teenager from age 5 has been introduced to this problem by the parent telling them let me know as soon as anyone touches you inappropriately.
When 5-10 is attacked and abused and went unnoticed because of denial or fear to refuse to offer little kids their right to dignity , there is something wrong here and it needs fixing, not the Churches turning a blind eye, or the creep that Hired coach James in Italy knowing he has problems.....E..Surveillance is a deterrent and a good judge of character.

Soc, what you don't seem to be getting is a great many times, these kids see the coach as a father figure. A pedophile gets into those places where he/she can lure out the vulnerable - and what is more vulnerable than a kid whose parents don't have time for him/her - whether it be working parents or parents who just don't care as much as they should - or a single mom.

Once the kid is hooked, the kid is owned. Any attention is better than none at all - and they're not easily going to give up a good thing (pizza, candy, Leafs tickets etc)

It's not as easy as security checks or looking into their eyes to see if the word GOOF is written on the back of his/her skull. They look like anyone. They're the sweetest and most capable people you'll ever meet. That's all part of being glib - the bait.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Soc, what you don't seem to be getting is a great many times, these kids see the coach as a father figure. A pedophile gets into those places where he/she can lure out the vulnerable - and what is more vulnerable than a kid whose parents don't have time for him/her - whether it be working parents or parents who just don't care as much as they should - or a single mom.

Once the kid is hooked, the kid is owned. Any attention is better than none at all - and they're not easily going to give up a good thing (pizza, candy, Leafs tickets etc)

It's not as easy as security checks or looking into their eyes to see if the word GOOF is written on the back of his/her skull. They look like anyone. They're the sweetest and most capable people you'll ever meet. That's all part of being glib - the bait.

Yes I agree, You brought up a good point here LW, but this must stop, to see people in authority abuse as if it is a credit card I play now and i PAY LATTER..........Or maybe I won’t get caught

 

[talloola]

And we must remember something here, these people do not
suffer from guilt, they are wired different than normal
people, and do what they do, as though it is ok for them,
and don't suffer afterward, just live to do it another day.
'like a spider after it's prey'

Apparantly they are all over the internet, groups of them
gather together to share their 'same interests', they all
have a love of the same thing, and eagerly show their child
porn and other such things -like advertisements of something
good that any of us would want to share with each other.

so, knowing that, this particular coach is the same person
he was then, and unless he is on some medication, that
makes his brain function in a different manner than before,
(and why would he continue to take it anyway.)
he is out there again, with the same 'thoughts' in his
brain, and wants to do the same things he did before,
and he is free to do just that, totally pardoned, no
record to follow him around, no monotoring and no warning
to anyone he happens to work with or associate with.

 

[TenPenny]

, why is this type of security not important when it comes to young life’s start of abuse at 5-10, totally living a scar in a soul while a bent individual gets pleasure..... That is sooooooooooooooooooo crazy beyond bazaar .....beyond belief .......

I don't know about where you live, but here, in order to be a coach, assistant coach, or manager, you have to have a criminal record check and attend a course specific to dealing with kids and such issues.

Which also includes what to do if one of the kids says they've been assaulted elsewhere, by a parent, teacher, stranger, etc.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I don't know about where you live, but here, in order to be a coach, assistant coach, or manager, you have to have a criminal record check and attend a course specific to dealing with kids and such issues.

Which also includes what to do if one of the kids says they've been assaulted elsewhere, by a parent, teacher, stranger, etc.

Sexual Predators will not stop deceiving the screening process, a surveillance is designed to expose deceitful behaviour. A priest is considered to be a peaceful human being, but IT HAS PROVED TO BE FALLS. I trust a video recording more then I would trust a human being when it come to evidence that proves assault. A quick example video vs human testimony was the 5 cops who killed the Robert the man from Poland. 5 lied together to cover each others ass, and the result had it not been for that important video footage, the man would have gone down in history as a drunk who caused the cops to kill him. Do you see how easy it is to live justice in human hands, when in fact a camera brought the cops out in the open, lie for self benefit.

 

[TenPenny]

So your solution is to videotape everyone, everywhere, all the time.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

So your solution is to videotape everyone, everywhere, all the time.

On all hallways of a hockey arenas, on Churches, anywhere where predators are found, on subways, look at Russia the surveillance footage will lead to the perpetrators. Humans will lie, cameras don’t lie. To seat here and say no to the electronic surveillance methodology, while people condemn the act of pedophilia, is nothing short of seating on the fence and doing nothing but wasted verbiage, while the predator is given leeway and the victim is facing the next sexual predator. Take your pick.

 

[wulfie68]

On all hallways of a hockey arenas, on Churches, anywhere where predators are found, on subways, look at Russia the surveillance footage will lead to the perpetrators. Humans will lie, cameras don’t lie. To seat here and say no to the electronic surveillance methodology, while people condemn the act of pedophilia, is nothing short of seating on the fence and doing nothing but wasted verbiage, while the predator is given leeway and the victim is facing the next sexual predator. Take your pick.

But you're missing a major problem: how do we make sure the predators aren't the ones monitoring the cameras?

You talked repeatedly about them deceiving screening processes, and I agree. The only way to be close to foolproof, is as others have stated, denying them opportunities. That means no lone adults with lone kids or small groups of kids, especially in areas closed to casual observation.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

But you're missing a major problem: how do we make sure the predators aren't the ones monitoring the cameras?

You talked repeatedly about them deceiving screening processes, and I agree. The only way to be close to foolproof, is as others have stated, denying them opportunities. That means no lone adults with lone kids or small groups of kids, especially in areas closed to casual observation.

Cameras can be monitored by the RCMP, now I have not heard of RCMP cops being caught on the job as pedophiles, I have heard of RCMP cops driving drunk, A pedophile will not join such a group, a pedophile will deceive to get into the Church, to get into any place where pray is plentiful, sports is a huge pool for such plentiful choice especialy with 5-10 years old. Cameras will be a huge deterrent. Look at the murder that took place in England 2 boys innocent looking, they lured a 3 year old to a remote area and killed him, had it not been for Electronic surveillance they would have never been caught. Do we need more proof that Electronic surveillance will bring out in the open sexual predators.?

 

[karrie]

Soc, pedos are anywhere humans are, and definitely anywhere that humans have power. The RCMP do, most certainly, have pedophiles in their ranks. They have even been accused of at least one coverup around in the past.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Soc, pedos are anywhere humans are, and definitely anywhere that humans have power. The RCMP do, most certainly, have pedophiles in their ranks. They have even been accused of at least one coverup around in the past.

Well then lets ask God to be the watch man ……….I don’t understand we have excepted cameras looking underneath peoples clothing to the skin when we go to travel in Air ports, we are installing cameras to catch speedsters and record vehicular accidents and to protect 5-10 year old kids from sexual assaults it is a ridicules suggestion. Wow……… great logic…..

 

[CDNBear]

Well then lets ask God to be the watch man ……….I don’t understand we have excepted cameras looking underneath peoples clothing to the skin when we go to travel in Air ports, we are installing cameras to catch speedsters and record vehicular accidents and to protect 5-10 year old kids from sexual assaults it is a ridicules suggestion. Wow……… great logic…..

Ruprecht, do you want the genital cuff again?

Play nice.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Ruprecht, do you want the genital cuff again?

Play nice.

Look CB Quit jumping like a f flea, I am not interested to be your friend you are a f nuisance...................................u cause trouble and annoy other people. That is you nature, the same with your side kick.

 

[CDNBear]

Look CB Quit jumping like a f flea, I am not interested to be your friend you are a f nuisance

Who said I was looking for a friend Ruprecht? Besides, I have extremely high standards in friends, you wouldn't qualify to be just an acquaintance.

...................................u cause trouble and annoy other people.

Just a certain type of people, like yourself and SJP, who I here is still waiting for a bit of your lip service.

That is you nature, the same with your side kick.

I have a sidekick?