It only takes a few days to adjust to flax but it does a great job for helping them beat depression.
Is penal labour acceptable?
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And - who is going to pay for all that building you would have going on? Those who work, work to buy things like cigarettes. Not all of them get visitors and especially gift bearing visitors.
Depends on the amount and depends on how heavy the "demand" is. They are not happy bent over from cramps.
Oh you don't get cramps. For some people it can only take minutes to impact and only a split second to discharge.
I definitely agree with that, which SHOULD help toward footing a bill they SHOULD be getting from the Government for Room and Board for about $1200 a month! :smile:
I heard they banned smoking in the jails years ago.
I think a lot of the arguments against using criminals as manual labour are disingenuous, if not outright dishonest. In Canada and the US, depts of highways look to private sponsours and volunteer groups to clean ditches, etc. There is no reason why prisoners could not be used to do this and free up resources for the actual repair and improvement of roads or some other projects. We can also look at the urban decay in many parts of the continent: why not use prisoners to tear things down, like abandoned factories/warehouses/etc. so we can reuse the land and whatever materials can be recycled ( I think JLM or someone talked about this another thread not long ago)? We can use people who have damaged society to help improve it. Yes, security could be a concern in some situations but thats not insurmountable either.
Absolutely, all we expect them to do is WORK, something most law abiding members of society do. Many of these people are in jail in the first place for two reasons, their lack of work ethic and their lack of pride in themselves. Being able to complete a project to improve conditions in their community would help to accomplish restoring those two failures. We hear too many bleeding hearts whining about depriving them of their RIGHTS. Well, maybe it's time to delay these rights, until they can demonstrate accomplishment and taking responsibility.
Tough, law abiding citizens have to survive on welfare and many of them have a hard time getting it unless they can prove they are willing to work and actively looking for it. You're just not mean enough, Petros. LOL
Mean or I have a wife that worked with Corrections Canada fulltime and still does weekly visits for Provincial Corrections?
If your dog pisses on the rug does locking it in a cage keep it from pissing on the rug next time you let it out or would it be better to train your dog to bark at the door?
What is cheaper in the long run? Putting people in the pokey and leaving them to fester and not training them to stop pissing on the rug or putting in a few bucks for training them to bark at the door when they need to piss?
There is ZERO rehabilitation in jails and prisons. Would you pay for that?
I agree with you 99.9%, Petros- prisons should be reserved for heinous monsters and people who pose a risk to safely if not incarcerated, but regardless of where they are working is desirable...........it's accomplishes needed improvements in the community and its instills pride in the person.
How did those people become heinous monsters in the first place? The issues that would need to be dealt with first and foremost are crime prevention and mental health funding.
Oooooooooooh, oooooooh, Petros- that would be like pouring money off of Mt. Everest. We have to concentrate our resources first for the betterment of the majority. I think there is a VERY tiny minority of people who are just born evil- maybe having the double y chromosome. Science in time may get to the bottom of it.
Put up a motion sensor and attach 1 (one) school bell in place of the floodlight....
Well done Petros. You've hit the nail on the head. If we could "force" them to do anything, it should be rehab/therapy. They should have to attend in order to eat.
I think that's half of the solution- the other half is figuring out which ones will respond to it. Some people function very well as long as they are in "neutral" but as soon as you put them "in gear" they fail. At the other end of the spectrum (or maybe not so far removed) are the ones with all kinds of diplomas for passing tests with honors at prestigious institutions but yet fail at the simple test of life!