Is Obama the worst president ever?

[YukonJack]

"I'm abstaining till Obama's finished.
This is like saying a guy is great because he accomplished blank, or else failed because he screwed up blank.
Wit till the dood's done before figuring out if he did a crappy or good job."

When you are watching a 100 yard dash race and one of the competitors is 20 yards behind on the first 25 yards, would you still give that competitor a chance, just to be fair?

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[TenPenny]

"I'm abstaining till Obama's finished.
This is like saying a guy is great because he accomplished blank, or else failed because he screwed up blank.
Wit till the dood's done before figuring out if he did a crappy or good job."

When you are watching a 100 yard dash race and one of the competitors is 20 yards behind on the first 25 yards, would you still give that competitor a chance, just to be fair?

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typically, they don't give out the medals until the race is done.

 

[JLM]

"I'm abstaining till Obama's finished.
This is like saying a guy is great because he accomplished blank, or else failed because he screwed up blank.
Wit till the dood's done before figuring out if he did a crappy or good job."

When you are watching a 100 yard dash race and one of the competitors is 20 yards behind on the first 25 yards, would you still give that competitor a chance, just to be fair?

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You're talking apples and oranges 100 yard dash is a one dimensional race involving spacial positioning..........easy to evaluate. :smile:

 

[EagleSmack]

... And yet, the entire state of Louisiana sat and just waited for this impending doom?.. Everyone "knew" what was coming, right? How do you explain this?

Why didn't the state do something the moment that they knew that the hurricane would veer from it's traditional path that they've experienced for hundreds of years?

If the citizens and the state were not concerned, how does it make sense that Bush should have taken action?

People don't understand that it is up to the cities, towns and states to be prepared for emergencies. The Federal Govt. does not have the resources to keep their eye on Mt Washington in case of a volcano in Washington State or to eyeball every fault line in California and plan for it's eventual earthquake.

It is was up to the State of Louisiana and the City of New Orleans to prepare for this disaster. Then it was up to the state to request emergency assistance.

It was just politics blaming Bush and nothing more.

 

[AnnaG]

"I'm abstaining till Obama's finished.
This is like saying a guy is great because he accomplished blank, or else failed because he screwed up blank.
Wit till the dood's done before figuring out if he did a crappy or good job."

When you are watching a 100 yard dash race and one of the competitors is 20 yards behind on the first 25 yards, would you still give that competitor a chance, just to be fair?

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I would think the guy should finish his run if he was allowed to start it, yup. I think Les would, too.

Someone starts fixing the brakes on your car, are you going to tell them they're doing a crappy job before they've fixed your brakes?

Hubby had both our bikes pulled apart one time. It looked like a helluva mess for a while. When he was finished, the mess was gone and our bikes didn't leak nearly as much oil as when he started.

 

[YukonJack]

"I would think the guy should finish his run if he was allowed to start it, yup. I think Les would, too.

Someone starts fixing the brakes on your car, are you going to tell them they're doing a crappy job before they've fixed your brakes?

Hubby had both our bikes pulled apart one time. It looked like a helluva mess for a while. When he was finished, the mess was gone and our bikes didn't leak nearly as much oil as when he started."

AnnaG, unlike the typical liberals who wanted GW Bush dead right from the start, I DO NOT wish OhBummer anything like that.

He WILL finish his first term and who knows, maybe elected for a second one.

My analogy about the hundred yard race was that when in a 10 second race one sees one participant behind by 6 seconds, it is beyond reasonable belief that he will win that race.

It can only happen in fables, such as the one about the hare and the turtle.

 

[AnnaG]

"I would think the guy should finish his run if he was allowed to start it, yup. I think Les would, too.

Someone starts fixing the brakes on your car, are you going to tell them they're doing a crappy job before they've fixed your brakes?

Hubby had both our bikes pulled apart one time. It looked like a helluva mess for a while. When he was finished, the mess was gone and our bikes didn't leak nearly as much oil as when he started."

AnnaG, unlike the typical liberals who wanted GW Bush dead right from the start, I DO NOT wish OhBummer anything like that.

He WILL finish his first term and who knows, maybe elected for a second one.

My analogy about the hundred yard race was that when in a 10 second race one sees one participant behind by 6 seconds, it is beyond reasonable belief that he will win that race.

It can only happen in fables, such as the one about the hare and the turtle.

Big deal. I think Obama will finish his race, too. And apparently you didn't understand the analogy I made about our motorcycles. *shrugs*

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"I'm abstaining till Obama's finished.
This is like saying a guy is great because he accomplished blank, or else failed because he screwed up blank.
Wit till the dood's done before figuring out if he did a crappy or good job."

When you are watching a 100 yard dash race and one of the competitors is 20 yards behind on the first 25 yards, would you still give that competitor a chance, just to be fair?

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Sure you would. No race is over until ti is finished. If you had your way, they won't have any elections in USA Republicans will automatically be declared the winners at every election (since in your opinion Democrats are clearly 20 yards behind in the first 25 yards every time).

But unfortunately for you, it doesn't work that way. They said the same thing about Clinton. In fact, considering the way the economy is going, I think chances are very good that Obama will win the reelection in 2012, unless we have a double dip recession.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

People don't understand that it is up to the cities, towns and states to be prepared for emergencies. The Federal Govt. does not have the resources to keep their eye on Mt Washington in case of a volcano in Washington State or to eyeball every fault line in California and plan for it's eventual earthquake.

It is was up to the State of Louisiana and the City of New Orleans to prepare for this disaster. Then it was up to the state to request emergency assistance.

It was just politics blaming Bush and nothing more.

If it is politics, then the entire nation is involved in politics. It is not only Democrats who blame Bush for the way he bungled the Katrina disaster, American people overwhelmingly blame Bush. It is only Bush acolytes who think that Bush did a stellar job in handling the aftermath of Katrina.

 

[ironsides]

this is what the worst president has done:

You read the wrong chart.

Chart 1. Unemployment rate, seasonally adjusted,​

March 2008 – March 2010

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

 

[ironsides]

World War II vet's letter to Obama
Dear President Obama,

My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don't believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.

I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos'n Mate. Now I live in a "rest home" located on the western end of Pearl Harbor, allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country.

One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man.

So here goes.

I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.

I can't figure out what country you are the president of.
You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:

• "We're no longer a Christian nation"

• "America is arrogant" - (Your wife even announced to the world,"America is mean-spirited." Please tell her to try preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our war dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny and hopelessness.)

I'd say shame on the both of you, but I don't think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

After 9/11 you said, "America hasn't lived up to her ideals."

Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal libert that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn't mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.

I don't think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man.

Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don't, I'll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue . You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.

And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don't want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts, who was putting up a fight? You don't mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don't want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.

One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you're the Commander-in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you're not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you're thinking of.

You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president.
You're not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That's not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now.

And I sure as hell don't want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle ...

Sincerely,

Harold B. Estes

 

[Slim Chance]

People don't understand that it is up to the cities, towns and states to be prepared for emergencies. The Federal Govt. does not have the resources to keep their eye on Mt Washington in case of a volcano in Washington State or to eyeball every fault line in California and plan for it's eventual earthquake.

It is was up to the State of Louisiana and the City of New Orleans to prepare for this disaster. Then it was up to the state to request emergency assistance.

It was just politics blaming Bush and nothing more.

There is one thing in your response that I would change (relative to Canada at least):

"Liberals don't understand that it is up to the cities, towns and states to be prepared for emergencies."

Generally, those people that piss and moan about the inaction of the federal government on state/prov/muni issues are those that expect (albeit, need) some form of government to tuck them in at night, wake them up in the morning - and everything in between.

... The liberal mentality is kinda humorous at first, but gets really sickening after a while.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

... The liberal mentality is kinda humorous at first, but gets really sickening after a while.

Really? Is that why Liberal Party is the natural party of government in Canada? Is that why Liberals have governed a lot longer than Conservatives? Or do you think it is because Canadians are dumb (there are some here who think that blacks are dumb, because blacks don't vote the way they want them to vote, they vote Democratic).

 

[Icarus27k]

You read the wrong chart.

Chart 1. Unemployment rate, seasonally adjusted,​

March 2008 – March 2010

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

Actually, you and gopher are both reading different information. There has been a steady drop in monthly job losses (eventually leading to monthy job gains) since Obama has been President.

 

[darkbeaver]

Obama's a bum, so was the last guy same as the next.

 

[darkbeaver]

Actually, you and gopher are both reading different information. There has been a steady drop in monthly job losses (eventually leading to monthy job gains) since Obama has been President.

That's entirely incorrect.

 

[Icarus27k]

That's entirely incorrect.

No, it's entirely correct.

The bars are monthly job losses from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. There at the right side is monthly job gains.

I'm very pleased with Obama's record on the economy so far. It's recovering from the craziest recession in decades faster than it should.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

No, it's entirely correct.

The bars are monthly job losses from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. There at the right side is monthly job gains.

I'm very pleased with Obama's record on the economy so far. It's recovering from the craziest recession in decades faster than it should.

Quite so, there has been a steady improvement in the job situation since Obama took office. In the beginning, of course nobody thought anything of it. After all, if you have only 400, 000 job losses rather than 500,000, that is hardly anything to boast about, is it? But the job picture kept on improving slowly and by now there is jobs growth.

I recently saw that a minority of economists (25%) are predicting a robust growth, more than 3% for the next 12 months. And most economists think that economy will perform better than their expectations just a few months ago.

All the signs are pointing towards economic recovery; let us hope it continues that way. Unless one is a Republican of course. A Republican better pray for a double dip recession or even depression, to have good prospects at the next election.

 

[Slim Chance]

Really? Is that why Liberal Party is the natural party of government in Canada?

You might want to pick up a recent newspaper; they're currently the natural opposition party.

Or do you think it is because Canadians are dumb (there are some here who think that blacks are dumb, because blacks don't vote the way they want them to vote, they vote Democratic).

No.... Just you.

(nice racist reference by the way)

 

[Icarus27k]

Sometimes, Obama and the Democrats get criticized (rightfully so) for delaying in taking action to prevent another future recession. Like, passing banking reform to address the causes of the recession. But I still feel one step at a time.

Immediate economic stabilization was more important when Obama got into office. It's like treating a patient in an ER. Stabilize the patient first, and worry about his ethical failings that led him to have the medical emergency later.