Is needlessly sacrificing your child, as God did, child abuse and murder?

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I do know they are fans of short grass.
Here a Wildebeest eats short grass.
Here many Wildebeests are eating short grass.
So do you think what used to be belly high grass shrank back into the ground or were eaten.





 
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BornRuff

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So, are we discussing if it is ok to murder your children?

We simply don't have enough information here. Did the kid in question leave the god damned lights on in the basement again even though I reminded him a million ****ing times not to do so?

Unless god wants to pay my hydro bill he can stay the **** out of it.
 

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Excuse me, what happened to the 2 time rule? We learned to count to that number many times. The words 'that's one' should not followed by 'where's number two?' because that becomes number two right there and then. It is the robber-barons that get off the accountability hook the billion times.
 

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Technically God and Jesus are one and the same so no.

I remember when I was a young kid and we took the Abraham story and I was identifying strongly with Isaac as some kids might do at 9, that was just another nail into the coffin for me in the whole Christian saga. Even at nine it seemed to be either a load of malarkey or Abraham sucked as a father.
 

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I remember when I was a young kid and we took the Abraham story and I was identifying strongly with Isaac as some kids might do at 9, that was just another nail into the coffin for me in the whole Christian saga. Even at nine it seemed to be either a load of malarkey or Abraham sucked as a father.

Lots of disagreement by Theologians on that one.
 

Sal

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Lots of disagreement by Theologians on that one.
don't know Goob only knew as a kid it scared the bejesus out of me...(literally) because they push the fact that this was the holy thing to do, the right thing to do, the only thing to do if you loved God...you kill your kid...

then I realized my parents loved me, would never do that, and it was a load, even if the church said it was right...

even kids think
 

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So do you think what used to be belly high grass shrank back into the ground or were eaten.


Many things could have happened to grass that is belly high. Saying that grass has shrunk down is foolish.


 

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Problem with some is they look for what they consider to be the bad stuff in the Bible- Very reasonable on their part.
 

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Problem with some is they look for what they consider to be the bad stuff in the Bible- Very reasonable on their part.
The main thing for me was that God's representatives (priests and nuns) were not embodying this "God is love" stuff. They made us live in terror of god and them.

There was a place in Montreal where the church kept "freaks" - terribly deformed and strange looking people who looked like the product of bestiality and stuff. Every elementary student was taken to this place at least once and shown these freaks and told that if they did not obey the dictates of god's representatives they would turn into freaks like these. That did me in as far as religion goes. I was only in grade 1 when I realized there was something seriously wrong with this BS.
 

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Atonement for sins through the blood of a sacrificial lamb was borrowed from Judaism, then applied in logical extreme within Christianity. Bad theology or just how the Unknowable works. Pick one.

I once posted a thread- name is a tad off- You cannot argue with the basic teachings of Jesus. And you cannot.

Or Confucius. It is the patina of myth pasted onto those teachimgs that detracts from those very teachings. Brotherhood, forgivenes, pacifism, charity, et cetera, are values most world religions share.
 

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I once posted a thread- name is a tad off- You cannot argue with the basic teachings of Jesus. And you cannot.
Jesus and his teachings aren't the problem, the way people and various churches use him is the problem.

Although I do have a problem with his apparent teaching that the only way to the father is through him. That has caused more death and destruction and misery throughout the centuries than is warranted. It is also wrong on just so many levels. And it was pretty much the last straw for me.

I do believe though that there is much good in Christianity for those who wish to use it for self growth, love, ministering to the poor, etc.
 

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Jesus and his teachings aren't the problem, the way people and various churches use him is the problem.

Although I do have a problem with his apparent teaching that the only way to the father is through him. That has caused more death and destruction and misery throughout the centuries than is warranted. It is also wrong on just so many levels. And it was pretty much the last straw for me.

I do believe though that there is much good in Christianity for those who wish to use it for self growth, love, ministering to the poor, etc.

I agree.
 

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Especially if they conclude there is no religion that corners the truth.
Except the one they modified so they alone have their own version of God, I find that a lot more scary that myself saying I know some OT verses that show the ultimate fate of the ones who die on the day of the Lord.

Jesus and his teachings aren't the problem, the way people and various churches use him is the problem.
The Bible has a ready solution to that, leave the name tags on but fudge each person within the 'church' as being all Gentiles and their personal relationship with God is defined in the 7 letters in Re:2 and 3. That won't solve any of the 'bickering' as this is the device that makes the money keep flowing in the religious business and creates dissension in society that stops them from acting as a single collective and knowing that salvation is a free gift from God for introducing life to some flesh in a world that is less that His best effort. As life in Ge:1 had a starting kind all the life that will exist in the new earth also has a 'starting kind', all the flesh that lived in this earth.

Although I do have a problem with his apparent teaching that the only way to the father is through him. That has caused more death and destruction and misery throughout the centuries than is warranted. It is also wrong on just so many levels. And it was pretty much the last straw for me.
If you saw God before meeting Jesus you wouldn't survive the introduction and would be sent to the lake of fire because you would be a sinner. There is a filter in place that stops that from happening and that being chastised by Christ. Granted the ones asleep in death that appear directly before God at the Great White Throne event do appear to have had death cleanse their sins away but the ones in hell would have been through the verses below.

Heb:12:5-14:
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children,
My son,
despise not thou the chastening of the Lord,
nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth,
and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening,
God dealeth with you as with sons;
for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement,
whereof all are partakers,
then are ye bastards,
and not sons.
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us,
and we gave them reverence:
shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits,
and live?
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure;
but he for our profit,
that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous,
but grievous:
nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down,
and the feeble knees;
And make straight paths for your feet,
lest that which is lame be turned out of the way;
but let it rather be healed.
Follow peace with all men,
and holiness,
without which no man shall see the Lord:

I do believe though that there is much good in Christianity for those who wish to use it for self growth, love, ministering to the poor, etc.
Each religion has moral and immoral people in it that fall into sin and rather enjoy the immediate rewards so 'all people' is a better term that 'christianity alone'.


Re:1:7:
Behold,
he cometh with clouds;
and every eye shall see him,
and they also which pierced him:

and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
Even so,
Amen.
 

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Child abuse.... Boy to do a man's job.... Are they statements valid in reference to a 30+-year-old-man?

Apparently if a god's agenda was a sacrifice for man's salvation and if-it-bleeds-it-leads (I presume that's never changed) there may have been a need.


A God has no needs. Only wants. You forget all his omnis.


30 years out of infinity makes Jesus quite young.


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DL


Yes and anybody doing that should be hung. With God it may take some time before He is dead, all the ones sending soldiers to fight in a needless war, which is actually all wars, would be co-defendents. If you don't (willingly) include all of them them then you might be racist.

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Now man has God's power. Wow.


Regards
DL





I don't spend a lot of time worrying about it, to be honest.


You do not care if your neighbor has embraced human sacrifice and the notion that it is good to punish the innocent instead of the guilty.


I hope you are guilty as then you would be safe. I hope you do not have children.


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DL
 

French Patriot

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Technically God and Jesus are one and the same so no.

I remember when I was a young kid and we took the Abraham story and I was identifying strongly with Isaac as some kids might do at 9, that was just another nail into the coffin for me in the whole Christian saga. Even at nine it seemed to be either a load of malarkey or Abraham sucked as a father.


If Jesus is the immortal God then he cannot die.


There goes the whole messiah story.


Regards
DL
 

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Had to flush twice this morning. Bigger dump than usual. Feel a lot better now.