Is Measles a really big deal?

Tonington

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Really? They should proof read their own **** before publishing it.

""The measles virus is probably the most contagious infectious disease known to mankind," says Stephen Cochi, a senior adviser with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's global immunization division."

"The number of measles cases from the outbreak linked to Disneyland has now risen to at least 98. But measles remains extremely rare in the United States."

Compare that to.
World Population Clock: 7 Billion People (2015) - Worldometers

So what? You think the number of people in the world is relevant for virus transmission? Luckilly most people aren't susceptible because of immunizations. The r-naught for measles is 12-18. That's the number of people one person on average will infect. A lot of people have been throwing the 95% immunization target around, well for measles that's because the average r-naught, around 15, means you need to vaccinate 14/15 (93.3%) to keep the virus from spreading. If one person only makes slightly less than one other person sick on average, the infection won't turn into an outbreak. You get populations with less coverage, and bingo, outbreak.

It's pretty simple math.
 

JLM

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I'm just listening to this topic on "Cross Country Checkup" with Rex Murphy with feedback from a doctor. I'm now leaning toward making shots mandatory as there is a slight chance of complications and in rare instances, death and I know how I'd feel if I infected someone with tragic results. Sometimes science and professional expertise has to trump layman's opinions!:)
 

Sparrow

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I don't know where people got the idea that measles was eradicated, it was never rooted out or completely destroyed. I was controlled with vaccination, but now because people have stopped vaccinating their children it is active again. This is not the only one, there are also cases of polio and TB. What will it take for people to believe in vaccines? Will all the infectious diseases have to kill as many as they did
in the past?
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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I don't know where people got the idea that measles was eradicated, it was never rooted out or completely destroyed. I was controlled with vaccination, but now because people have stopped vaccinating their children it is active again. This is not the only one, there are also cases of polio and TB. What will it take for people to believe in vaccines? Will all the infectious diseases have to kill as many as they did
in the past?

I think people may have confused it with Small Pox which I believe has been eradicated.
 

JLM

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I don't know where people got the idea that measles was eradicated, it was never rooted out or completely destroyed. I was controlled with vaccination, but now because people have stopped vaccinating their children it is active again. This is not the only one, there are also cases of polio and TB. What will it take for people to believe in vaccines? Will all the infectious diseases have to kill as many as they did
in the past?

I have one question. Are people like myself who had the disease back in the 50s 100% protected or is it the same as the shots where you're aren't necessarily 100% safe. Or would a person such as myself who did contract the disease have a very mild dose that wouldn't be any threat?
 

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Cannuck

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Only four Americans killed by measles in the last ten years? Thank Gawd for vaccinations. I don't know what connection there is to cops. I guess there is one if you smoke enough weed.
 

Cliffy

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There is a connection between anything if one has smoked enough weed.
Everything is connected and you don't have to smoke weed or do any other drug.

Everything Is Connected
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The universe is a matrix of energy that connects everything. it was even scientifically proven in 1994 that there is a field of energy that connects us all. this energy could be defined as our consciousness.
There is one "rock-solid" indisputable truth: Everything is made of energy and everything is energetically connected. There is no separation between anyone or anything. We are all individualized expressions of the same field of energy. We each have our unique personalities and lives and our unique vibrations. Yet we are still one. This field of energy is the energy of mind. There is only one self, one heart and one mind, individualized as every expression of life. This energy, this mind, in its purest form is what some call the energy of Love, Infinite Intelligence, their Higher Self, or God. This love-energy is the intelligence of the entire universe. It is in everything and everything is in it. It is a magical, energetic dance of endless possibilities for shapes, sizes, forms, textures, tastes, colors and sounds.
Everything is energy! Our thoughts are energy. Our feelings are energy. Our surroundings are energy. All animals and everything in nature are made of energy. Our bodies are a field of energy within a larger field of energy. All things tangible and intangible are made of energy. Everything that we experience through our senses and perception is a reflection of this energy.
Shamans and Mystics call this Oneness or Interconnectedness...
Earth's energy spots all connect with each other to form a giant web ...


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cheeye9zo

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One of the lead news items on the T.V. news at noon was four cases of measles in Toronto! Are they referring to the same Red Measles we all had as kids. I remember when our entire family was infected except for Dad at the same time about 1/3 of our school was infected. We knew what we had hence didn't necessitate seeing a doctor, just spent about a week in bed and then we were over it. Is this a different strain that's making the rounds now or what? Is it really a matter worthy of the news or is it just a slow news day? They mentioned a hazard for pregnant women. It was German measles back in the day that was a threat to pregnant women, not Red measles. What gives?
yes they are a really big deal...they are not like chicken pox which can be a really big deal for an adult like me
 

Tonington

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I have one question. Are people like myself who had the disease back in the 50s 100% protected or is it the same as the shots where you're aren't necessarily 100% safe. Or would a person such as myself who did contract the disease have a very mild dose that wouldn't be any threat?

There is no such thing as 100% protected. People can get second infections of many illnesses. Acquired immunity just means you were exposed to an antigen, and your immune system made antibodies. If you got the full blown infection and survived, your titre is probably higher than someone who was vaccinated, just because your body had to fight much harder against a live challenge than it does against a weakened or killed pathogen in a vaccine. Titre just means the dilution of your blood where the antibodies present are no longer sufficient to kill the pathogen. The higher your titre is, the more diluted your blood has to be before the antibody levels are insufficient.

However, the only true test of protection is being challenged with the pathogen. Individuals with the same titre can have very different responses. That's just biology for you. With time your titre will come down, and depending on your exposure to the pathogen, it might not be enough. That's what they recommend adult boosters for.