Is Measles a really big deal?
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Ignorance, mostly. New parents who think Jenny McCarthy is a valuable public health opinion leader. New parents who think that after spending an hour Googling the topic, that they know all they need to. My generation has never even seen the disease, so it's easy for the dummies who listen to people like the McCarthys in this world to think the risk of vaccination outweighs the risk posed by a disease they've never even seen.
Ignorance. They can keep peanut butter out of schools, but have a hard time with unvaccinated kids spreading disease. Go figure.
With a post like that, you deserve to be "forum leader". You hit the nail squarely on the head. Thank you Tonington.
Why Don't the Amish Have Autistic Children? 5/4/05
Autism is a difficult disorder to miss, as it is characterized by noticeably abnormal or impaired development in social interaction and communication and a markedly restricted array of activities and interests. And while scientific consensus claims autism has been around for millennia at generally the same prevalence, that prevalence is now considered to be one in every 166 children born in the United States.
Therefore, with this devastating statistic in mind, one reporter set out to analyze the autism rates among Amish communities. Why? Because perhaps searching for autistic Amish children would reveal clues to the cause of autism ... and it did.
The Clues Come Together
Since they have been cut off for hundreds of years from American culture and scientific progress, the Amish may have had less exposure to some new factor triggering autism in the rest of population. The likely culprit: vaccines.
Traveling to the heart of Pennsylvania Dutch country in search of autistic Amish children, the reporter, based on national statistics, should have found as many as 200 children with autism in the community -- instead, he found only three, the oldest age 9 or 10:
In some vaccines, they use a mercury-based preservative called thimerosal that keeps multiple-dose vials from becoming contaminated by repeated needle sticks. After health officials became concerned about the amount of mercury infants and children were receiving through thimerosal-tainted vaccines, the toxin was phased out of U.S. vaccines starting in 1999.
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What they won't admit about measles outbreaks: Most children who catch measles were already vaccinated
Autism is a difficult disorder to miss, as it is characterized by noticeably abnormal or impaired development in social interaction and communication and a markedly restricted array of activities and interests. And while scientific consensus claims autism has been around for millennia at generally the same prevalence, that prevalence is now considered to be one in every 166 children born in the United States.
Therefore, with this devastating statistic in mind, one reporter set out to analyze the autism rates among Amish communities. Why? Because perhaps searching for autistic Amish children would reveal clues to the cause of autism ... and it did.
The Clues Come Together
Since they have been cut off for hundreds of years from American culture and scientific progress, the Amish may have had less exposure to some new factor triggering autism in the rest of population. The likely culprit: vaccines.
Traveling to the heart of Pennsylvania Dutch country in search of autistic Amish children, the reporter, based on national statistics, should have found as many as 200 children with autism in the community -- instead, he found only three, the oldest age 9 or 10:
- The first autistic Amish child was a girl who had been brought over from China, adopted by one family only to be given up after becoming overwhelmed by her autism, and then re-adopted by an Amish Mennonite family. (China, India and Indonesia are among countries moving fast to mass-vaccination programs.)
- The second autistic Amish child definitely had received a vaccination and developed autism shortly thereafter.
- The reporter was unable to determine the vaccination status of the third child.
In some vaccines, they use a mercury-based preservative called thimerosal that keeps multiple-dose vials from becoming contaminated by repeated needle sticks. After health officials became concerned about the amount of mercury infants and children were receiving through thimerosal-tainted vaccines, the toxin was phased out of U.S. vaccines starting in 1999.
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What they won't admit about measles outbreaks: Most children who catch measles were already vaccinated
(NaturalNews) Big Pharma, the CDC and other public health organizations tell the mainstream media (MSM) what to report about outbreaks and epidemics. So you may have the impression that recent measles outbreaks are occurring because of MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccination refusals.
According to official public health documents kept from public attention, the opposite is true. Many stricken with measles have had the full array of three MMR vaccinations.
Measles and MMR Vaccinations
If you're old enough, you may remember that measles and mumps were common childhood diseases that came and went. The incidence of death or permanent damage was very small. Once you recovered from measles, you were immunized for life.
The rate of measles outbreaks began declining during the 1970s. This may be attributed to increased immunity by those who had measles and recovered, or a decline in the virulence of measles.
But of course, the medical establishment wants you to believe all infectious disease declines are from vaccines. The opposite is usually factual. It has been documented and graphed that measles had diminished greatly before vaccinations were administered. (7)
The three in one MMR shot was developed during that decade for convenience. Prior to that, there was one vaccination for every disease. But the three in one MMR is inoculated on three separate occasions within a few months, usually before 15 months of age. Preteens and teenagers are often subjected to this risky business as well if they missed the early schedule.
Measles Breakouts Among the Vaccinated
There have been many, and the various public health organizations, including the CDC, are well aware of them. Yet, pediatricians convince and school boards coerce parents into making sure their children get three MMR vaccinations in short succession. Obviously, not enough know of measles breakouts among the vaccinated.
Learn more: What they won't admit about measles outbreaks: Most children who catch measles were already vaccinated - NaturalNews.com
Learn more: What they won't admit about measles outbreaks: Most children who catch measles were already vaccinated - NaturalNews.com
According to official public health documents kept from public attention, the opposite is true. Many stricken with measles have had the full array of three MMR vaccinations.
Measles and MMR Vaccinations
If you're old enough, you may remember that measles and mumps were common childhood diseases that came and went. The incidence of death or permanent damage was very small. Once you recovered from measles, you were immunized for life.
The rate of measles outbreaks began declining during the 1970s. This may be attributed to increased immunity by those who had measles and recovered, or a decline in the virulence of measles.
But of course, the medical establishment wants you to believe all infectious disease declines are from vaccines. The opposite is usually factual. It has been documented and graphed that measles had diminished greatly before vaccinations were administered. (7)
The three in one MMR shot was developed during that decade for convenience. Prior to that, there was one vaccination for every disease. But the three in one MMR is inoculated on three separate occasions within a few months, usually before 15 months of age. Preteens and teenagers are often subjected to this risky business as well if they missed the early schedule.
Measles Breakouts Among the Vaccinated
There have been many, and the various public health organizations, including the CDC, are well aware of them. Yet, pediatricians convince and school boards coerce parents into making sure their children get three MMR vaccinations in short succession. Obviously, not enough know of measles breakouts among the vaccinated.
Learn more: What they won't admit about measles outbreaks: Most children who catch measles were already vaccinated - NaturalNews.com
Learn more: What they won't admit about measles outbreaks: Most children who catch measles were already vaccinated - NaturalNews.com
well by all means lets stop all vaccinations so we can protect the mythical .01% of a non existent population who got autism from vaccines. That wounds so much safer then protecting the 99% of the kids from polio, measles, whooping cough.
What that says is that a learning disability is far worse then a child dying of a preventable disease.
What that says is that a learning disability is far worse then a child dying of a preventable disease.
well by all means lets stop all vaccinations so we can protect the mythical .01% of a non existent population who got autism from vaccines. That wounds so much safer then protecting the 99% of the kids from polio, measles, whooping cough.
What that says is that a learning disability is far worse then a child dying of a preventable disease.
It beats me why some people want to be deliberately ignorant about things that have been scientifically proven. They'll dwell on the 0.001% that is the exception to the rule. I think it was criminal in the case of the Native girl in Ontario dying because she was brain washed into rejecting proven medical procedures. (Oh sh*t maybe I'm stirring up a "hornet's nest".)
You raise another interesting point there. When I went to school peanut butter allergies were virtually unheard of. It was more likely things like eggs, grass and willow leaves. Apparently the spike in allergies in recent years is brought on by people themselves, according to some expects we are too sanitized and paranoid. You'd have been laughed off the planet 50 years ago if you were seen using a paper towel to turn a door knob. Some people really are NUTS.
85% of Amish are vaccinated...you know what is strongly associated with autism? Genetics. The Amish don't tend to spread their genes around with non-Amish, so any anomalies in prevalence is more likely due to genetics than a purported association with vaccines that has no causal mechanism.
Did someone tell you a vaccine means you can't get the disease? That's not true at all, and if you read the inserts the monographs clearly call them aids in prevention. They lower the risk of infection, and lower the risk of complications if you are infected. Who won't admit that? That's a great product.
Are you a gambling man? I'd take the odds ratio of vaccine induced effects over the odds of complications from disease. That's what the natural news freaks won't admit to you, among many others. They're selling you lottery tickets and telling you it's your best bet.
Or perhaps it had more to do with people who didn't get the shots for other reasons, some of them valid.
No.. No reasons are valid besides being immunocompromised, and those people don't get measles if everyone around them is vaccinated. some kids parents didn't want their child vaccinated, probably some MORON who thought it would give the kid autism, dumb parents probably believe in chemtrails as well. THEN you have the audacity to bring your unvaccinated child to DISNEYLAND of all places...the parents should be prosecuted.
I think the elections tell us otherwise. A sane population doesn't vote in conservatives for instance. :lol:
No gore, see you're a bit confused too, like mhz. Vaccinations aren't 100%, there's no such thing. Remember the mumps that went through the NHL this year? Crosby had the highest titre on the Penguins team, and had been immunized before going to the Olympics in Socchi. He still got the mumps. The vaccine doesn't ensure that someone will not get infected. In Crosby's case, his symptoms were likely far reduced compared to if he had no antibodies/no immunizations at all.
Even in years with no outbreaks, there were still the odd cases that would pop up. To eradicate a disease, you really need to have sustained pressure. You'll hear lots about the 95% immunization rate, well that's all well and good, except when you have pockets of areas where it's a lot less. That's where the disease can pop up again, and with people travelling like they do, it can go anywhere. Sustained vaccination in high proportions of the public, that's how you eradicate diseases. It's really frustrating to read some of the comments lately on Facebook and on other media about this. Some parents just don't get it.
One last comment, there are other reasons to avoid vaccinations besides immunocompromised/immunosuppressed individuals. Allergies/sensitivities are another reason why some people should not be vaccinated.
Even in years with no outbreaks, there were still the odd cases that would pop up. To eradicate a disease, you really need to have sustained pressure. You'll hear lots about the 95% immunization rate, well that's all well and good, except when you have pockets of areas where it's a lot less. That's where the disease can pop up again, and with people travelling like they do, it can go anywhere. Sustained vaccination in high proportions of the public, that's how you eradicate diseases. It's really frustrating to read some of the comments lately on Facebook and on other media about this. Some parents just don't get it.
One last comment, there are other reasons to avoid vaccinations besides immunocompromised/immunosuppressed individuals. Allergies/sensitivities are another reason why some people should not be vaccinated.
Hmm, you seem to be confused at what the actual argument is being made.
No vaccinations aren't going to work 100% of the time, but the measles vaccination has proven to be incredibly effective,
"Before the widespread use of the measles vaccine, its incidence was so high that infection with measles was felt to be "as inevitable as death and taxes."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles_vaccine#Effectiveness
As far as Crosby goes, he was in a high risk situation to get in as there was a mumps outbreak in the NHL, as I agreed with vaccines do not work 100% of the time, that doesn't mean you refuse to get vaccinated because of a chance it may not work.
Anyways........
NOW as a result of ANTI-VAXX CLOWNS, measles have been steadily rising over the years
Notes from the Field: Measles — California, January 1–April 18, 2014
U.S. reports biggest measles outbreak since 2001 | Reuters
Measles outbreak in Orange County, California worst in decades - CBS News
UAB - UAB News - Measles cases on the rise in U.S., UAB expert encourages vaccine
I don't disagree with any of this. The sustained pressure should come with, what I already stated, the persecution of parents refusing to get their children vaccinated then bringing them to a highly populated area with many potentially susceptible people such as Disneyland.
No vaccinations aren't going to work 100% of the time, but the measles vaccination has proven to be incredibly effective,
"Before the widespread use of the measles vaccine, its incidence was so high that infection with measles was felt to be "as inevitable as death and taxes."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles_vaccine#Effectiveness
As far as Crosby goes, he was in a high risk situation to get in as there was a mumps outbreak in the NHL, as I agreed with vaccines do not work 100% of the time, that doesn't mean you refuse to get vaccinated because of a chance it may not work.
Anyways........
NOW as a result of ANTI-VAXX CLOWNS, measles have been steadily rising over the years
Notes from the Field: Measles — California, January 1–April 18, 2014
U.S. reports biggest measles outbreak since 2001 | Reuters
Measles outbreak in Orange County, California worst in decades - CBS News
UAB - UAB News - Measles cases on the rise in U.S., UAB expert encourages vaccine
Tonington said:
I don't disagree with any of this. The sustained pressure should come with, what I already stated, the persecution of parents refusing to get their children vaccinated then bringing them to a highly populated area with many potentially susceptible people such as Disneyland.
The unproven practice of mass vaccination is a difficult issue to deal with. On the one hand it promises escape from disease on the other it cannot be demonstrated that it has ever done so. We do know for certain though the well understood link between the producing industries and their academic and political friends. Out break after outbreak of measles in the last five or so years have been predominantly among the vaccinated.
This is exactly what I thought too--just a nuisance-- but was schooled by some people who knew more than me. Measles still kills thousands every year. I guess the isssue is that it is so contagious. If you are unvaccinated and exposed, you are just about guaranteed to catch it. I guess there can be serious complications in something under 1% of cases, but that number adds up because it is so infectious. It is also dangerous to immuno-compromised people (recent transplant recipient, patients undergoing cancer treatment, the very young and the very old).
I guess the issue is that vaccinated children in some areas has reached as high as 7% when it used to be under 2%. Public health officials say we need 97-98% vaccination to provide "herd immunity" to vulnerable people.
I disagree.
Absolutely zero investigative reporting on the vaccine industry taking place today across the entire national media
The sellout mainstream media, not surprisingly, refuses to cover this story in exactly the same way it refused to cover the public confession of the CDC whistleblower scientist who went public with his own allegations of vaccine research fraud at the CDC.
Any time you see a mainstream media news report on vaccines, you can rest assured with 100% confidence that it is pure theater, carried out with carefully scripted fake narratives to achieve a propaganda goal of demanding complete obedience to all demands of the vaccine industry. Media outlets now function as nothing more than propaganda pushers for the medical fascism police state which has descended upon America.
Words from the False Claims Act
We now have new transcriptions from this document filed with the United States government, which reveals shockingdetails about the vaccine fraud witnessed firsthand by Big Pharma’s own scientists. The document is entitled United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania. Civil action No. 10-4374. “Complaint for Violations of the Federal False Claims Act.”
Here are the actual words of the vaccine whistleblowers as printed in the False Claims Act document filed with the federal government. Subheads added are my own:
This case is about Merck’s efforts for more than a decade to defraud the United States with respect to the efficacy of Merck’s mumps vaccine.
The FDA insists on such a high efficacy rate (95%) because only then can the disease ultimately be eradicated through what is commonly referred to as “herd immunity.”
Without demonstrating that its mumps vaccine continued to be 95% effective, Merck would lose its exclusive license to manufacture and sell its MMRII vaccine.
Relators Krahling and Wlochowski participated on the team that conducted this supposedly enhanced test. Each of them witnessed firsthand the falsification of the test data in which Merck engaged to reach its 95% efficacy threshold. In fact, each was significantly pressured by Krah and other senior Merck personnel to participate in this fraud.”
Merck added rabbit antibodies for the singular purpose of altering the outcome of the test by increasing the virus neutralization count.
Without applying a proper “control” to the process, there is no way to isolate whether virus neutralization is caused by the human antibodies alone or in combination with the rabbit’s antibodies, Merck did not apply this kind of control.
And adding rabbit antibodies as a supplement to a vaccine was not an option because it could result in serious complications to a human, even death.
“Merck’s senior management” helped orchestrate the vaccine fraudThe FDA insists on such a high efficacy rate (95%) because only then can the disease ultimately be eradicated through what is commonly referred to as “herd immunity.”
Without demonstrating that its mumps vaccine continued to be 95% effective, Merck would lose its exclusive license to manufacture and sell its MMRII vaccine.
Relators Krahling and Wlochowski participated on the team that conducted this supposedly enhanced test. Each of them witnessed firsthand the falsification of the test data in which Merck engaged to reach its 95% efficacy threshold. In fact, each was significantly pressured by Krah and other senior Merck personnel to participate in this fraud.”
Merck added rabbit antibodies for the singular purpose of altering the outcome of the test by increasing the virus neutralization count.
Without applying a proper “control” to the process, there is no way to isolate whether virus neutralization is caused by the human antibodies alone or in combination with the rabbit’s antibodies, Merck did not apply this kind of control.
And adding rabbit antibodies as a supplement to a vaccine was not an option because it could result in serious complications to a human, even death.
Krah did not act alone in orchestrating the falsification of Merck’s mumps vaccine test results. He acted with the authority and approval of Merck’s senior management.
In July, Relator KrahlingEvidence Emerges that Measles Outbreaks Are Deliberately Encouraged by Big Pharma to Ignite Vaccine Hysteria | Global Research
I have no doubt the numbers are correct, of course there is no proof of correlation with vaccines in isolation. Nutrition, hygene, living conditions in general have not been considered. I have even posted a study on these very same diseases some years ago that completely discounts vaccination in the drop in these diseases.
