Is Jesus A Prophet According To The Old Testament?

[Dexter Sinister]

I have no idea what that means. My point is that the church operates by putting controls and sanctions on our most powerful urges, and goes even further, tells us it's a sin to even have them. I find that repulsive.

 

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I have no idea what that means. My point is that the church operates by putting controls and sanctions on our most powerful urges, and goes even further, tells us it's a sin to even have them. I find that repulsive.

- You cannot have an idea of what is life/matter (carbon, etc.)

- There is no excitement where there is no repulsiveness.

 

[AnnaG]

Yeshua Ben Yosef doesn't sound terribly latino.

"Jesus" sure does, though. lol

 

[AnnaG]

The old Christianity's statements about the universe were not revealed from God or said by Jesus Christ; but such statements were adopted by the chruch from the Greek philosophers and scientists at their time, like Aristotle and others.

And this in fact was the mistake; because what is revealed from God is other than what some scientists at some time periods say because the latter is liable to mistakes and alterations and new discoveries that will cancel the old concepts of the old scientists.

..... and Islam isn't? aaaaaaaaaahahahhahahahhahahhahahahahaa
The entire basis of either religion is untestable, has not been demonstrated, and makes ridiculous claims.

 

[AnnaG]

By forbidding us to be animals rather.

Humans are animals. :roll:

 

[AnnaG]

Animals are matter and humans don't and cannot know what is matter.

How would you know that animals are matter then?:roll:
BTW, you're sidetracking the thread again.

 

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How would you know that animals are matter then?:roll:
BTW, you're sidetracking the thread again.

Because words (and "matter" is a word) have divine properties.

 

[AnnaG]

Because words (and "matter" is a word) have divine properties.

Nothing is divine except gods and they don't give a crap about anything. Why would they? Something screws up they can do it over again without effort.
Quit sidetracking the thread.

 

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Nothing is divine except gods and they don't give a crap about anything. Why would they? Something screws up they can do it over again without effort.
Quit sidetracking the thread.

God is a Verb and without effort means just by speaking.

 

[Ron in Regina]

The two of you REALLY don't need to be Trolling each other like
this during the Game, right?

 

[AnnaG]

The two of you REALLY don't need to be Trolling each other like
this during the Game, right?

It's ok, Ron. I quit posting after I hit the "submit reply" button.

 

[big]

Lots of posters are interested by natural evolution on almost any thread on religion, so let's say this to show that Jesus is the Messiah and not simply a prophet: when (or if) scientists are (were) playing at being prophets, they (would) make the prediction that, in the future, evolution will continue. Jesus is the Messiah in showing that anything like a natural evolution has stopped with him.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

- You cannot have an idea of what is life/matter (carbon, etc.)

I can't? But I do.

- There is no excitement where there is no repulsiveness.

Seriously? You're claiming that for something to be exciting it must have something repulsive about it? That certainly doesn't seem to be true about things I find exciting. What a peculiar philosophy you have.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Jesus is the Messiah in showing that anything like a natural evolution has stopped with him.[/SIZE]

Humans since Jesus' time then presumably have been removed from all selection pressures. Or are you claiming more generally that evolution of ALL living things has stopped?

 

[big]

I can't? But I do.

Virtuality is everywhere in particules physics today.

 

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Humans since Jesus' time then presumably have been removed from all selection pressures. Or are you claiming more generally that evolution of ALL living things has stopped?

The only selection pressure that is always-already real is the one to enter Heaven. By saving the weakest of the weak as an absolute priority, Jesus has shown us how to gain access to Heaven. There is a deep reason why the illusion called the Darwinism has been thought out by someone annoyed by the doctrine of predestination.

http://bowjamesbow.ca/2002/07/21/anglicans-and-p.shtml

 

[eanassir]

..... and Islam isn't? aaaaaaaaaahahahhahahahhahahhahahahahaa
The entire basis of either religion is untestable, has not been demonstrated, and makes ridiculous claims.

You are only rancorous. Your "ha ha ha etc." are the number of your gods, and your myths according to your polytheism and idolatry?

Have you understood what I said to him?

The church adopted the old Greek scientist theories, which were not said by Jesus nor that was any revelation of God.

And they clinged to such old theories, only to oppose the Islamic scientist views, which they considered heretic and made the "acquisition" to oppose it.

 

[AnnaG]

You are only rancorous. Your "ha ha ha etc." are the number of your gods,

Wrong, eanassir. I don't pay gods much attention at all so the number of them is irrelevant.

and your myths according to your polytheism and idolatry?

Are probably just as numerous as your myths and less idolatrous than you are about yours.

Have you understood what I said to him?

I can't remember now.

The church adopted the old Greek scientist theories, which were not said by Jesus nor that was any revelation of God.

Wrong again. Concerning the "Golden Rule"

Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. [Matthew 7:12]

also

The main Golden rule in Quran is (with English meaning translation)(Quran, Chapter 49, Verse 13) :

" O mankind! We (God) have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honorable of you with God (Allah) is the pious. Verily, Allah (God) is All-Knowing and All-Aware"


This Golden rule demonstrates the following:

• Islam call is for all mankind, and not only for Muslims, to live in harmony and peace and cooperative way of living .
• No discrimination on basis of religion, race, culture, color, ...etc. The most honorable of mankind with God is the pious. The pious is the one who have faith in God, do good deeds for the benefit of his society, and is thoughtful in God creations and glory.
• The universality of Islam is demonstrated also in that Muslims believe in all his prophets (including Noah, Abraham, ..., Moses,..., Jesus, and Mohamed Peace upon them all), angels, holy books (including the Torah and Bible), the day of Judgment, and destiny.

This golden rule is explained also by the following two Quran sayings
(Quran, Chapter 2, Verse 256):
"There is no compulsion in religion..."

and

"... To each among you, We (God) prescribed a religion (law) and a clear way. If God had willed, He would have made you all in one nation and one religion), but that He (God) left you in different religions to compete in good deeds and society benefits. The return of all of you is to God; then He (God) will inform you about that in which you differ"

(Quran, Chapter 5, Verse 48)

From waaaaaay farther back in time than Christianity and Islam:

An early example of the Golden Rule that reflects the Ancient Egyptian concept of Maat appears in the story of The Eloquent Peasant which is dated to the Middle Kingdom (c. 2040 - 1650 BCE): "Now this is the command: Do to the doer to cause that he do".[5] An example from a Late Period (c. 1080 - 332 BCE) papyrus: "That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another".[6]. It also appears in the Book of the Dead (1580-1350 BCE): "He sought for others the good he desired for himself. Let him pass."

and

Ancient Greek philosophy

The Golden Rule was a common principle in ancient Greek philosophy. Examples of the general concept include:

• "Do not to your neighbor what you would take ill from him." – Pittacus[7]
• "Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." – Thales [8]
• "What you wish your neighbors to be to you, such be also to them." – Sextus the Pythagorean[9]
• "Do not do to others what would anger you if done to you by others." – Isocrates[10]
• "What thou avoidest suffering thyself seek not to impose on others." – Epictetus[11]
• "It is impossible to live a pleasant life without living wisely and well and justly (agreeing 'neither to harm nor be harmed'[12]),
  and it is impossible to live wisely and well and justly without living a pleasant life." – Epicurus[13]
• "One should never do wrong in return, nor mistreat any man, no matter how one has been mistreated by him." - Plato's Socrates (Crito, 49c)

and

Buddhism

See also: Buddhism and Karma
“ Putting oneself in the place of another, one should not kill nor cause another to kill. ”

— [17]​

“ One who, while himself seeking happiness, oppresses with violence other beings who also desire happiness, will not attain happiness hereafter. ”

— Dhammapada 10. Violence​

and

Baha'i Faith

See also: Bahá'í Faith
From the scriptures of the Baha'i Faith:
“ Ascribe not to any soul that which thou wouldst not have ascribed to thee, and say not that which thou doest not. ”

— Baha'u'llah[18][19][20]​

“ Blessed is he who preferreth his brother before himself. ”

— Baha'u'llah[21][22]​

“ And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself. ”

— Baha'u'llah[23][24]​

So both Islam and Christianity took at least some of their tenets from earlier religions.

And they clinged to such old theories, only to oppose the Islamic scientist views, which they considered heretic and made the "acquisition" to oppose it.

I doubt it.

 

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The Golden rule is not the topic of this thread.

 

[gopher]

''Yeshua Ben Yosef doesn't sound terribly latino.''


It was a rather common name in Spain for centuries.