Is Jesus A Prophet According To The Old Testament?

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Because they think, incorrectly, that their guide book tells them they should be. Actually it says quite the opposite, Scripture clearly does not consider a fetus to be human, and in fact doesn't count anybody less than a month old as a person. That's in the OT, Jesus himself had nothing to say on the subject.

A human is a primate fetus who has become sexually active and, as such, to reproduce and dominate the world is the core of Judeo-Christianity.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

A human is a primate fetus who has become sexually active and, as such, to reproduce and dominate the world is the core of Judeo-Christianity.

Quite so, big. That ‘reproduce and dominate’ has caused untold amount of misery, untold amount of problems in the world.

That is one of the reasons why Catholic Church is so adamantly opposed to contraception. While that doesn’t make any difference in the West (most Catholics simply ignore Church’s teachings), it makes a big difference in poor Catholic countries such as Philippines. There very few people practice family planning, even though they sorely need it, the country is extremely poor.

So Church’s stance on contraception hurts the poor big time. Another point is, religious right is strongly anti-environment, they are adamantly opposed to doing anything to improve the environment, try to preserve, conserve the species etc. Because they take the command to ‘dominate’ seriously, literally. Dominate does not mean preserve, conserve, nurture etc. Dominate means conquer, destroy.

So that phrase is also instrumental in the uncompromising hostility that religious right shows toward environmentalism.

 

[big]

Quite so, big. That ‘reproduce and dominate’ has caused untold amount of misery, untold amount of problems in the world.

It has caused untold amount of misery but only compared to a world where misery remains unaccounted for.

 

[AnnaG]

Given those options, I'd go for believing none of it. A lot of people believe all of it, which generates the kind of nonsense you can read here and elsewhere about things like evolution, the age of the earth, and what the future holds. A lot of people--in fact I'd venture to suggest most people who use it as guide at all--cherry pick it to suit another agenda, usually to produce a specious argument from authority fallacy in support of a supposed moral position they can't otherwise justify. There's another option: remove belief from the equation and study it on its own terms as a cultural and historical artifact. Read it, read what biblical scholarship has to say about it (I'd recommend Bart Ehrman's works, and Isaac Asimov's two-volume guide if you can find it, it's long out of print), and try to understand it in terms of the historical and cultural contexts it was written in and what the authors were trying to do. Then it makes sense. Mostly.

Amazon.com: Asimov's Guide to the Bible: A Historical Look at the Old and New Testaments (9780517345825): Isaac Asimov: Books

 

[AnnaG]

Another myth about Arabs.....the way that rumor got started is a Westerner was way out in the desert digging oil-wells and he asked an Arab what they did when they wanted a woman. The Arab replied, "We use the camels." The Westerner eventually decided to try it. When he finished that same Arab came up ans asked what he was doing. The, now puzzled, Westerner replied 'You said that is what to do when you are out in the middle of the desert and you wanted a woman!" The Arab slowly shook his head and said, "Yes we do use the camels, but we ride them to town." To cover their own asses (so to speak) the Westerners started that rumor.

Yeah, myth: a quote from the Ayatollah Khomeini:

“A man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.”​

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The quote is from Khomeini’s book, “Tahrirolvasyleh”.

 

[AnnaG]

A human is a primate fetus who has become sexually active and, as such, to reproduce and dominate the world is the core of Judeo-Christianity.

Exactly. More people, fewer other species. It's a beautiful core.

 

[AnnaG]

It has caused untold amount of misery but only compared to a world where misery remains unaccounted for.

It is not unaccounted for. The Christian god designed and made everything, right? There's your culprit.

 

[big]

It is not unaccounted for. The Christian god designed and made everything, right? There's your culprit.

A creator is not an accountant.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

A creator is not an accountant.

How do you know what he is and isn't? She didn't say he was anyway, she said only that the misery was not unaccounted for, which is a different sense of the word, and thus the fallacy of equivocation. In an earlier post you clearly imply that misery's accounted for in this world with humans in it, so who's doing the accounting? It's not us. Moreover, the creator's omnipotent, remember? He can do anything at all, including being an accountant if it suits his purposes. He'd have to be in some sense, to keep track of what he's created, unless you're prepared to take the deist position that he just magicked it into existence and abandoned it.

 

[big]

How do you know what he is and isn't? She didn't say he was anyway, she said only that the misery was not unaccounted for, which is a different sense of the word, and thus the fallacy of equivocation. In an earlier post you clearly imply that misery's accounted for in this world with humans in it, so who's doing the accounting? It's not us. Moreover, the creator's omnipotent, remember? He can do anything at all, including being an accountant if it suits his purposes. He'd have to be in some sense, to keep track of what he's created, unless you're prepared to take the deist position that he just magicked it into existence and abandoned it.

Human's moral consciousness was born with the death of Jesus (i.e. God).

 

[AnnaG]

A creator is not an accountant.

How would you know? Can you speak for creators? What qualifies you to do this?
"Ah, whatta maroon" - B. Bunny

 

[AnnaG]

Human's moral consciousness was born with the death of Jesus (i.e. God).

Nah. The golden rule was around in one form or another for hundreds of years before Christianity and it is definitely indicative of moral purpose.
One day when you grow up, perhaps you can reread some of the nonsense you post in here and laugh at yourself. In the meantime, several of us are laughing now.

 

[big]

Nah. The golden rule was around in one form or another for hundreds of years before Christianity and it is definitely indicative of moral purpose.
One day when you grow up, perhaps you can reread some of the nonsense you post in here and laugh at yourself. In the meantime, several of us are laughing now.

Again, you forget masochism.

 

[Cliffy]

Again, you forget masochism.

What? You get off on people laughing at your ridiculous statements? If you are a masochist and want abuse, why didn't you say so before. There are plenty of people here who would love to oblige you.

 

[big]

What? You get off on people laughing at your ridiculous statements? If you are a masochist and want abuse, why didn't you say so before. There are plenty of people here who would love to oblige you.

So where is moral consciousness then!?

 

[AnnaG]

Again, you forget masochism.

*shrugs* Not really.

 

[AnnaG]

So where is moral consciousness then!?

Down the hall, turn left, 3rd door on your right, up the flight of steps, turn left again, down the hall, and into the 9th door on your left.

 

[eanassir]

Another myth about Arabs.....the way that rumor got started is a Westerner was way out in the desert digging oil-wells and he asked an Arab what they did when they wanted a woman. The Arab replied, "We use the camels." The Westerner eventually decided to try it. When he finished that same Arab came up ans asked what he was doing. The, now puzzled, Westerner replied 'You said that is what to do when you are out in the middle of the desert and you wanted a woman!" The Arab slowly shook his head and said, "Yes we do use the camels, but we ride them to town." To cover their own asses (so to speak) the Westerners started that rumor.

People are people everywhere and everywhen: I mean every time; whether they are Arab or non-Arab, Westerners or Easterners.
All people are only traditional; uless they are checked by the trial of the new apostle.
Do you think that when Jesus comes again, he will justify your considering him son of God or God Himself ?

 

[eanassir]

Human's moral consciousness was born with the death of Jesus (i.e. God).

Jesus died and his spirit went to heaven to be in the neighborhood of God.
God is Eternal and Everlasting: and is Alive: does not die.

 

[eanassir]

How do you know what he is and isn't? She didn't say he was anyway, she said only that the misery was not unaccounted for, which is a different sense of the word, and thus the fallacy of equivocation. In an earlier post you clearly imply that misery's accounted for in this world with humans in it, so who's doing the accounting? It's not us. Moreover, the creator's omnipotent, remember? He can do anything at all, including being an accountant if it suits his purposes. He'd have to be in some sense, to keep track of what he's created, unless you're prepared to take the deist position that he just magicked it into existence and abandoned it.

You atheists, object because there is the misery, the illness, the poverty.
So if any difficulty is in this World, it will be Paradise; then where is the trial and the free will; people will be like the bee community, not like human beings with free choice.