Is Jesus A Prophet According To The Old Testament?

Spade

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If Christians acted like Jesus would it be possible for us to have the government we have today?

Of course not! Not if brotherhood, pacifism, charity, non-violence, forgiveness, and so on, were taken seriously - by Xian churches and so-called Xian states.
 

petros

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I can't think of any historical character that fought harder against oppressive governance within his own religion and government which was in bed with a foreign power.

Does his situation sound familiar?
 

AnnaG

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So what are you saying, all the broadcasts about climategate are lies?
Nope.
Those are the same ones you believe about 911 (for example only).
Sorry, you're wrong. I don't believe any particular story about the Trade Center towers because any story I have heard so far is full of holes. Claims made by both sides are goofy. This varies a huge amount from the data concerning global warming. But I am not surprised you can't tell the difference.
You had to be taught to swallow tea?
Are you dense or what. The question you asked was, "What are the last three things someone wanted you to swallow?" and tea was one of them. He brought it because I asked for some. It has nothing to do with having to be taught how to swallow it.
Since God hasn't shown you He cares about you, or anybody else basically, why should you believe He exists?
I don't care if gods exist or not. Get it? I have no idea if they exist or not. Get it? I don't believe nor disbelieve. Get it?
For those that want to wait for proof that's fine, they will get their wish, in time for it to do some good .
So? And my opinion is that we won't ever know whether there are gods or not. Your opinion is no more valid than mine.
 
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AnnaG

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No, correct.

It does matter.

No, it is logical. Thank you :lol:
You only THINK it's correct.

You only THINK it matters.

And, no, it is definitely not logical. I don't think you know what logic is.
 

AnnaG

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OK, all these organisms came to existence by the natural selection as you say, but then go and see the details of the cells of the tree leaves, the cells of the animal and human bodies, then go and see more details of the nucleus in the cell and the genetic chromosomes and the minute structures inside the cytoplasm and other parts of the cell; all this came by the natural selection?

Then see the different cell walls, the specialized cells serving different functions; all this came by the natural selection? the things that are till now ambiguous to the intelligent man: all this came by the natural selection?

And this is impossible that all this harmony and relation between all this creation came by the natural selection: what such a possibility that if the natural selection created a certain organism: it created its female or created its internal organs and created the specialized tissues and created the cells and created the detailed structures inside each cell.

This can never be any natural selection; it is the marvelous creation of God Almighty and Most Wise and All Kowing whatever the atheist denies.

Retorting the Atheist

<http://www.quran-ayat.com/retorting/index.htm#Natural_Factors_>
That's oro ex ignarus.
 

SirJosephPorter

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No, this is the Jewish list.
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"Thou shalt not murder" should read "Thou shalt not kill." The subtle difference in this post is to justify war and capital punishment, for example.


Quite so, Spade. Proponents of death penalty, who claim that Bible supports death penalty have always been uncomfortable with the language of this Commandment, as death penalty plainly is killing.

Well, they found a way out of their difficulty, where there is a will, there is a way. So they changed the word ‘killing’ to ‘murder’. However, I don’t think that lets them off the hook. What the state does in the death penalty is very much murder in my opinion, it is not just killing (as it is done in war, or on the spur of the moment, in a crime of passion, for instance). Death penalty is premeditated, preplanned, cold blooded killing and in my opinion, is little different from murder.

Not that I think murder is always wrong, it can sometimes be justified. For instance assassination attempts on Hitler (or Saddam Hussein) were attempts to murder him, but I think they were fully justified.

However, when Bible thumpers claim that Bible says that you shall not murder (and Bible is always right), then they have the responsibility to demonstrate how death penalty is not murder.
 

JLM

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Which Ten Commandments, ironsides? Catholic? Protestant? Jewish? They are all different, in case you are not aware of the fact.

I think when people discuss the Ten commandments they forget all about the Eleventh commandment "there's an exception to every rule". When talking about killing it weren't referring to to cases like degenerates being snuffed out in "Old Sparky".
 

SirJosephPorter

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I think when people discuss the Ten commandments they forget all about the Eleventh commandment "there's an exception to every rule". When talking about killing it weren't referring to to cases like degenerates being snuffed out in "Old Sparky".


Quite so, JLM. I never agreed with the crowd who claims there are moral absolutes. There are no moral absolutes, not even murder. As I mentioned before, even murder can be justified sometimes.

Those who claim that there are moral absolutes usually mean that their morals are absolute and should be accepted as such by the rest of the world.
 

Cliffy

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Quite so, JLM. I never agreed with the crowd who claims there are moral absolutes. There are no moral absolutes, not even murder. As I mentioned before, even murder can be justified sometimes.

Those who claim that there are moral absolutes usually mean that their morals are absolute and should be accepted as such by the rest of the world.
I don't mind if someone has moral absolutes as long as they keep them to themselves.
 

JLM

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quite so, jlm. I never agreed with the crowd who claims there are moral absolutes. There are no moral absolutes, not even murder. As i mentioned before, even murder can be justified sometimes.

Those who claim that there are moral absolutes usually mean that their morals are absolute and should be accepted as such by the rest of the world.


phew, finally, we agree.
 

JLM

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We do agree once in a while JLM, though such instances are rare. What I like is that we still remain on friendly terms.

Never could understand why differing opinions would be a reason to treat someone badly or dislike him............get frustrated with him/her YES.