Is it the H.S.T. that's wrong or the way it was brought in that was wrong?

Mowich

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Hope we didn't cut off our nose to spite our face. I'm still no wiser about which way is best.


Maybe this will help 'wisen' you up, JLM. :smile:

Report lists pros and cons of HST and PST/GST | Local News | Dawson Creek Daily News, Dawson Creek, BC

How can more taxes be better for you JLM?

I think that it is a matter of taking a long term view as opposed to a short term gain. It seems that in the long term there would be a tax saving - if the report is to be believed. Mind you, I did wonder how 'independent' anyone could truly be when it came to the HST. :smile:

Better then no vote at all!

Power to the people, brother. :smile:

How this entire HST fiasco will play out in the future is really anyone's guess at this point. Though the government was able to implement the tax almost immediately upon announcing it, they now say it will take TWO YEARS to get rid of it. Just shows me how deep Campbell actually was into planning for the tax, as he stood before us and flat-out lied about bringing in the HST.

That said and differing opinions aside for now, I am proud of my all fellow BCers who voted in the referendum. Good on you, folks.
 

JLM

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How can more taxes be better for you JLM?

I can only think of one example off hand- H.S.T. apparently (from what the business community tells me) makes the cost of doing business cheaper, so it would follow (if they are honest) they can deliver the goods cheaper. If we can believe our illustrious premier it would mean less tax as she was going to drop the rate from 12% to 10%. Whether I believe her or not I haven't made up my mind yet! :lol:
 

petros

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apparently (from what the business community tells me) makes the cost of
doing business cheaper, so it would follow (if they are honest) they can deliver
the goods cheaper
They got you hook, line and scphincter. Name one product that has dropped in price from moving manufacturing overseas or to Mexico.

Without customers with money, business is doomed and prices only increase to recoup losses.
 

JLM

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Maybe this will help 'wisen' you up, JLM. :smile:

Report lists pros and cons of HST and PST/GST | Local News | Dawson Creek Daily News, Dawson Creek, BC



I think that it is a matter of taking a long term view as opposed to a short term gain. It seems that in the long term there would be a tax saving - if the report is to be believed. Mind you, I did wonder how 'independent' anyone could truly be when it came to the HST. :smile:



Power to the people, brother. :smile:

How this entire HST fiasco will play out in the future is really anyone's guess at this point. Though the government was able to implement the tax almost immediately upon announcing it, they now say it will take TWO YEARS to get rid of it. Just shows me how deep Campbell actually was into planning for the tax, as he stood before us and flat-out lied about bringing in the HST.

That said and differing opinions aside for now, I am proud of my all fellow BCers who voted in the referendum. Good on you, folks.

Now you are scaring me, mind you that evaluation was based largely on the Peace River area. I don't think it's hard to see how reverting back could take 18 months, as no doubt binding contracts have been signed, so I wouldn't imagine there would be a hope in Hell of clearing them up this fiscal year, so now for the sake of expediency another full fiscal year is involved. Budgets are generally drawn up once a year in the Spring. :smile:

They got you hook, line and scphincter. Name one product that has dropped in price from moving manufacturing overseas or to Mexico.

Without customers with money, business is doomed and prices only increase to recoup losses.

Well, yeah, the little man always gets screwed! :lol:
 

Cliffy

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Of course and now the BC Govt had to pull out a couple cm but they are still deep inside and you're still bent over.
There you go with the bum darts again! What ticks me off is that we have to buy our own Vaseline. Cheep pricks!
 

SLM

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At least you guys in BC had a vote on the matter, we had it shoved down our throats in Ontario

What irked me was not so much that they brought it in, but that they couldn't shave a few cents off since their now collecting on services that the old PST never did.

I mean, cripes, throw us a frickin' bone here.
 

JLM

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What irked me was not so much that they brought it in, but that they couldn't shave a few cents off since their now collecting on services that the old PST never did.

I mean, cripes, throw us a frickin' bone here.

Out of fairness, they did promise to shave 2% off it.
 

JLM

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What irked me was not so much that they brought it in, but that they couldn't shave a few cents off since their now collecting on services that the old PST never did.

I mean, cripes, throw us a frickin' bone here.

The thing that really bothers me is we still don't actually know which way would have been best. Of course the financial pundits know but not one of them has appeared on the news to advise us.

You need to consult Petros for the answer to that one.

Petros is a nice guy but he doesn't know everything. :lol:
 

SLM

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The thing that really bothers me is we still don't actually know which way would have been best. Of course the financial pundits know but not one of them has appeared on the news to advise us.
In all honesty, it is more positive from the business owner's standpoint, in administrative and accounting costs alone. Streamlining your returns and reporting requirements always is. And by business I don't just mean GM and Rogers, I'm talking about small businesses that had to file separate sales tax returns for provincial tax collected and expense the provincial tax they paid on some goods.

But since the province is now collecting on services instead of just goods here in Ontario, they have increased their revenue source so the least they could have done is reduce the provincial portion of the tax. It also might have made the pill a little easier to swallow. You know what they about a spoonful of sugar right?
 

JLM

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In all honesty, it is more positive from the business owner's standpoint, in administrative and accounting costs alone. Streamlining your returns and reporting requirements always is. And by business I don't just mean GM and Rogers, I'm talking about small businesses that had to file separate sales tax returns for provincial tax collected and expense the provincial tax they paid on some goods.

But since the province is now collecting on services instead of just goods here in Ontario, they have increased their revenue source so the least they could have done is reduce the provincial portion of the tax. It also might have made the pill a little easier to swallow. You know what they about a spoonful of sugar right?

Upon perusing the results of the various constituencies I'm even more baffled now. The constituencies most in favour of keeping the H.S.T. are the ones with the wealthiest people, so you would think the tax would be even more detrimental to them as opposed to the "dirt poor" ridings who opposed it bigtime. Makes absolutely no sense to me! :smile:
 

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Upon perusing the results of the various constituencies I'm even more baffled now. The constituencies most in favour of keeping the H.S.T. are the ones with the wealthiest people, so you would think the tax would be even more detrimental to them as opposed to the "dirt poor" ridings who opposed it bigtime. Makes absolutely no sense to me! :smile:

I would guess that it's because they are business people and understand how the tax works.

But that's only a guess.