yeah it's like a broken record. with no change in the script from either side. get's kinda boring like watching repeats of gilligans island day after day
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Is it moral for God to punish us?
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Religious proselytizing or Atheist proselytizing?
One is as bad as the other and find ridicule in both....
Why don't people people believe what they want to believe without feeling the need to change my beliefs?
One is as bad as the other and find ridicule in both....
Why don't people people believe what they want to believe without feeling the need to change my beliefs?
Theses 3 references apply to the same group of people. The ones that are part of the Re:20:4 group are alive for the 1,000 year reign, the rest of mankind are alive at the Great White Throne event, which is a chastisement rather than a harsh judgment that is then applied in addition to what the 1,000 year imposed.
Heb:12:1:
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,
let us lay aside every weight,
and the sin which doth so easily beset us,
and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb:12:2:
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;
who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,
despising the shame,
and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb:12:7:
If ye endure chastening,
God dealeth with you as with sons;
for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Re:21:3-7:
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying,
Behold,
the tabernacle of God is with men,
and he will dwell with them,
and they shall be his people,
and God himself shall be with them,
and be their God.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;
and there shall be no more death,
neither sorrow,
nor crying,
neither shall there be any more pain:
for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said,
Behold,
I make all things new.
And he said unto me,
Write:
for these words are true and faithful.
And he said unto me,
It is done.
I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
He that overcometh shall inherit all things;
and I will be his God,
and he shall be my son.
Isa:65:2:
I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people,
which walketh in a way that was not good,
after their own thoughts;
Isa:65:3:
A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face;
that sacrificeth in gardens,
and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
Isa:65:12-17:
Therefore will I number you to the sword,
and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter:
because when I called,
ye did not answer;
when I spake,
ye did not hear;
but did evil before mine eyes,
and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold,
my servants shall eat,
but ye shall be hungry:
behold,
my servants shall drink,
but ye shall be thirsty:
behold,
my servants shall rejoice,
but ye shall be ashamed:
Behold,
my servants shall sing for joy of heart,
but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart,
and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:
That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth;
and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth;
because the former troubles are forgotten,
and because they are hid from mine eyes.
For,
behold,
I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered,
nor come into mind.
The Jerusalem mentioned in the next verse of that chapter is a reference to 'New Jerusalem' rather than the 'glorious city' that is Jerusalem on this earth after the devastation that comes with Satan's Babylon being destroyed. The people alive for the 1,000 years will live inside that giant city and the ones that come alive at the GWT event are the ones that are covered in the verses that say they build their own houses in the new earth. (NJ comes fully finished)
Isa:65:18:
But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create:
for,
behold,
I create Jerusalem a rejoicing,
and her people a joy.
Isa:65:19:
And I will rejoice in Jerusalem,
and joy in my people:
and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her,
nor the voice of crying.
I have read your posts, I'm quite comfortable with the gap in our different belief systems. . . . best of luck.
So you can tell the future now can you? I would say the same about you but since you never leave it would be useless to predict your appearance and then act like I had a special trait.
The way I see it is, before we start discussing about whether it's moral for God to punish us, I think we should establish first that there definitely IS a God. Otherwise we could be wasting a lot of time!
Well I failed to get on the guilty bus back when God made all these laws
Laws we are to obey. Then God decides well some are not going to go
with the law so I will give people free will.
In that every now and then like an ant hill I will burn them out or flood them
or find some new horrible method to communicate my displeasure.
add to that free will comes with a punishment at the end but if your quick just
before the bus hits you you cry out sorry God and you are forgiven.
Me thinks I will pass on this as not relevant
Laws we are to obey. Then God decides well some are not going to go
with the law so I will give people free will.
In that every now and then like an ant hill I will burn them out or flood them
or find some new horrible method to communicate my displeasure.
add to that free will comes with a punishment at the end but if your quick just
before the bus hits you you cry out sorry God and you are forgiven.
Me thinks I will pass on this as not relevant
I'm guessing that the god this thread is a bout concerns the Christian god. In which case, hypocrisy is not on my list of good qualities, no. Immaturity, maliciousness, jealousy, pettiness, and given a few minutes, I could likely think of a few more qualities of this god that are not on my list of good qualities.
For a while it had me wondering who was actually the worst, Jehovah or Satan. I could not reach a conclusion so I quit wondering. It is one of the things that led me to become agnostic. That and the complete lack of verifiable, reliable evidence of involvement.
For a while it had me wondering who was actually the worst, Jehovah or Satan. I could not reach a conclusion so I quit wondering. It is one of the things that led me to become agnostic. That and the complete lack of verifiable, reliable evidence of involvement.
"That and the complete lack of verifiable, reliable evidence of involvement."
How much physical proof do you expect to find during a period of time that is reserved for belief coming (or not) from reading the Bible? Considering the number of people looking for proof it can be concluded that He seems to be quite good at hiding his tracks.
How much physical proof do you expect to find during a period of time that is reserved for belief coming (or not) from reading the Bible? Considering the number of people looking for proof it can be concluded that He seems to be quite good at hiding his tracks.
Who said God is the root of morality?
Surely you don't mean this God?
http://vimeo.com/7038401
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DL
Then you should question your definition of moral.
I generally agree with the following. Do you?
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
If you don't, please follow the link just above.
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DL
Do you know why that is?
Why is fear good for anything?
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DL
Yes but they do not even thing that torturing babies is evil.
Would you let a believer baby sit your baby?
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DL
Why are you leaning on your own understanding to use that quote?
Seems you think yourself wise enough in your own eyes to be able to use it properly.
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DL
Because the Christian belief in God has created a bunch of homophobic and misogynous people and the women of Canada and everywhere else deserve better.
For that evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.
If you do nothing then you have no sense of social justice and are no better than those who promote homophobia and misogyny.
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DL
