Granting all the usual assumptions about the deity's nature and purposes implicit in a question like that (which I do not, I don't believe he even exists), of course it is, by definition.
Is it moral for God to punish us?
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It is not moral to punish people who are not fully in control. It is moral to forgive them for their weaknesses if those weakness are repaired during the reward part of the punishment/reward prophecies, as they are intertwined, then that is a moral thing to do. With the rewards coming after the punishment it would seem that God ends up being 'remembered' for being moral instead of immoral (sending fallen angels to their death as the final act in their fate before mankind enters the new earth part of the book.)
The book also comes with a warning about the changes that will take place. The Dead Sea being filled with enough water to support schools of fresh water fish is a prophecy. The only way that could happen in reality is if the Jordan River drainage basin received a lot more rainfall, and that would be a natural product of weather patterns changing back to ice-age conditions.
The book even gives a transition period of 1,000 for the event to be completed (the house and river must exist on day 1 of that era) rather than there being a demand the 'glorious city' also takes time to build in preparation for the final battle of God against fallen angels sent to the Pit during Noah's flood.
Ge:3:15 is the determination that the sin in that chapter can be undone if two events take place. One has been completed and the other bruise has to be as literal as the first bruise was. Overall the combined bruises result in something that is moral while either bruise (death) by itself is immoral. What happens to the morality question when all events from Ge:3 until Re:22 is the natural transition from an imperfect world to an perfected version. If Cain and Able both had an offering to God and only one was chosen is that a 'moral act'. God chose the flesh one as flesh would not be spared during the time it takes to fulfill all the things connected to that one verse. The sacrifice that was rejected will be the one that is accepted on the alter starting on day 1 of the 1,000 year reign and it will continue into the new earth verses in that same form. If all things have a determination until the start of the perfected earth then an 'unhappy ending' is more likely than not. It is a period when God has his back turned to us and that is a result of a determination made long ago rather than it being caused by anything special this generation can do on it's own.
Until then Israel could become self sufficient if they came up with a salt-water power plant at the Dead Sea, oil seems to have been put just past their legal reach.
The book also comes with a warning about the changes that will take place. The Dead Sea being filled with enough water to support schools of fresh water fish is a prophecy. The only way that could happen in reality is if the Jordan River drainage basin received a lot more rainfall, and that would be a natural product of weather patterns changing back to ice-age conditions.
The book even gives a transition period of 1,000 for the event to be completed (the house and river must exist on day 1 of that era) rather than there being a demand the 'glorious city' also takes time to build in preparation for the final battle of God against fallen angels sent to the Pit during Noah's flood.
In this era 'being guilty of a sin' is to think about breaking one of the 10 Commandments and no physical act has to take place.
Ge:3:15 is the determination that the sin in that chapter can be undone if two events take place. One has been completed and the other bruise has to be as literal as the first bruise was. Overall the combined bruises result in something that is moral while either bruise (death) by itself is immoral. What happens to the morality question when all events from Ge:3 until Re:22 is the natural transition from an imperfect world to an perfected version. If Cain and Able both had an offering to God and only one was chosen is that a 'moral act'. God chose the flesh one as flesh would not be spared during the time it takes to fulfill all the things connected to that one verse. The sacrifice that was rejected will be the one that is accepted on the alter starting on day 1 of the 1,000 year reign and it will continue into the new earth verses in that same form. If all things have a determination until the start of the perfected earth then an 'unhappy ending' is more likely than not. It is a period when God has his back turned to us and that is a result of a determination made long ago rather than it being caused by anything special this generation can do on it's own.
Until then Israel could become self sufficient if they came up with a salt-water power plant at the Dead Sea, oil seems to have been put just past their legal reach.
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As for God's morality, let's take a look at something. Basically, God set us up to fail and then got all pissed off because we failed like he expected us to. God, is a jerk.
Is it moral for God to punish us?
Moot point/question. If he did exist he'd not need to punish humans. They do it to themselves and each other in an equally as mentally abusive way as any threat of eternal damnation ever could.
Plus, eternal damnation doesn't work. Just ask any child who's been molested by a member of the clergy.
Moot point/question. If he did exist he'd not need to punish humans. They do it to themselves and each other in an equally as mentally abusive way as any threat of eternal damnation ever could.
Plus, eternal damnation doesn't work. Just ask any child who's been molested by a member of the clergy.
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It is conceivable and comprehensible.
I think it was Socrates who said that intelligent people could reason on things they did not believe in.
Have you never read a fairy tale to your child?
You chose it because you thought that the imaginary characters gave good moral; lessons.
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Undefined terms?
You do not have a dictionary? Did I invent new words?
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Most reserve the punishment for after you die. Hell and such.
Some believe in some type of karma. What goes around comes around type of delusional thinking.
All both form of punishment are just us letting our hate and wish for justice have an outlet.
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So God creates you with a body and attaches you to it, then condemns you for being attached to it.
And you think that moral and fair do you?
Especially when scriptures say to love yourself as well as others.
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So your God does not ever punish you for your sins?
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Why is it moral when we have no choice in anything we do as it has all been planned and we cannot deviate from God's plan?
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Nowhere in scriptures does it suggest that anyone gets out of hell to receive rewards after being punished.
Get the quote if you know of one.
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The bible.
The Gnostic Christian God I follow does not. The Christian God is the God I speak of here. He is shown to punish often.
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Go read the bible.
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So God is the root of the moral based emotion of guilt or is the punishment physical in the material world?
If god has the characteristics usually ascribed to him, whatever he does is right, by definition.
Socrates said that the beginning of wisdom was when a person finally came to a realization that they just did not know.. Your question makes no sense. It's like asking a fish to explain calculus.
There's nothing wrong with saying you do not know.
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding." (Psalm 111:10 NIV)
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding." (Proverbs 9:10 NIV)
Bingo. According to the godbotherers, Gawd is incapable of evil or error.
Therefore, if Gawd punishes people, it must be moral to do so.
lean not unto your own understanding. ~ woe to them who are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight~ I'm sure you can name chapter and verse My memory ain't what it use to be.
moral for punishing people?
im still waiting for one of you folks with an invisible friend in the sky to prove he/she actually exists
believing in things that aren't there is falling into greater and greater disfavor of late
god aint the problem
reality though, may be just a waitin in the bushes with that whip
im still waiting for one of you folks with an invisible friend in the sky to prove he/she actually exists
believing in things that aren't there is falling into greater and greater disfavor of late
god aint the problem
reality though, may be just a waitin in the bushes with that whip