Is Helena Guergis Ready To Cross The Floor

Socrates the Greek

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If she is not Convicted on any wrong doing, as long as the crossing of the floor doesn’t take place during elections after realising that the Conservatives are about to be stopped from another term and opportunity is more important then individual principles. Why not?

Jean Charest was a Conservative and became a Liberal, although if he was found to be guilty on appointments of judges, one can think that he brought with him when he crossed the floor Conservative principles. I hope that is not the case………….
 

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If she is not Convicted on any wrong doing, as long as the crossing of the floor doesn’t take place during elections after realising that the Conservatives are about to be stopped from another term and opportunity is more important then individual principles. Why not?

Jean Charest was a Conservative and became a Liberal, although if he was found to be guilty on appointments of judges, one can think that he brought with him when he crossed the floor Conservative principles. I hope that is not the case………….

Charest didn't cross any floor. He left his position as leader of the federal PC party to accept leadership of the Quebec Liberals.
 

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If she is not Convicted on any wrong doing, as long as the crossing of the floor doesn’t take place during elections after realising that the Conservatives are about to be stopped from another term and opportunity is more important then individual principles. Why not?

Jean Charest was a Conservative and became a Liberal, although if he was found to be guilty on appointments of judges, one can think that he brought with him when he crossed the floor Conservative principles. I hope that is not the case………….

If you look carefully, you will find a culture of NO toleration for corruption on the Conservative side of the House..........very much unlike the last Liberal gov't.

I am beginning to develop some sympathy for Ms. Guergis....although not for that jackass she married. I read somewhere that the little fit she had in PEI followed a miscarriage........she was on emotional overload, and deserves to be cut some slack on that one.

There can be no slack on corruption charges........but I sincerely hope she is found to be without fault, and welcomed (with apologies) back into the Conservative caucus.

She has certainly been convicted by the media in the court of public opinion....and that is just not right.
 

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If you look carefully, you will find a culture of NO toleration for corruption on the Conservative side of the House..........very much unlike the last Liberal gov't.

I am beginning to develop some sympathy for Ms. Guergis....although not for that jackass she married. I read somewhere that the little fit she had in PEI followed a miscarriage........she was on emotional overload, and deserves to be cut some slack on that one.

There can be no slack on corruption charges........but I sincerely hope she is found to be without fault, and welcomed (with apologies) back into the Conservative caucus.

She has certainly been convicted by the media in the court of public opinion....and that is just not right.

Is that why Harper took months to do somthing about it?
As I said if she is proved to be innocent she should move to another political turf. One would be stupid to go back an except apologies that are hollow.
 

Socrates the Greek

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That's not the point. The point is, Charest did NOT cross a floor. He did NOT sit as a Liberal in Parliament. He resigned and went into another venue - as the leader of the Quebec Liberals. You don't have to make propaganda of everything with the letter L in it.


ya.........the point is a Conservative becoming a Liberal, leave the rest of the verbiage out.
 

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Keep in mind, of course, that independent members of the House of Commons receive no time during question period, and cannot participate in House of Commons standing committees. Without a party banner, independent members are effectively powerless other than their participation in weekly recorded divisions.

There are also fund-raising difference too (supposedly parties can fund raise 24/7/365 - but independents can only fund raise during campaigns)
 
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If you look carefully, you will find a culture of NO toleration for corruption on the Conservative side of the House..........very much unlike the last Liberal gov't.

They just tolerate a culture of secrecy, contempt for parliament, contempt for basic human decency (i.e. torture), etc....

I also doubt the corruption point too - because they sure took their sweet time dealing with her.....
 

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Yeah. I agree with both pegger and Colpy. It is almost impossible these days, for Canadians to elect good hired help.
 

Socrates the Greek

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Yes ... I can see where complicating your peculiar version of truth with facts would be just too much for you to deal with.

Your way is just propaganda ... better known as bullshyte.

Hey LW back off, you are going into explaining finite details that have nothing to do with what I said, When a politician provincial or federal changes his or her allegiance to a new political ideology they have essentially crossed the boundary from one political ideology to another, no bullsh!t propaganda on that, you want to split hair, you are playing alone. Don't start telling me crap and belittling me because you feel I deserve it.
 

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Is Helena Guergis Ready To Cross The Floor

After the roasting of Helena’s husband Jaffer by his formal Conservative buddies she must be wondering if the Conservative experience is for her.

From the time the Conservatives took power it was an all out war on women from cutting the court challenge funding to not updating the women to get equal wages for equal value in the federal government.

There was the public ridicule of a well respected woman Conservative MP for giving a grant to the Toronto Gay Pride festival and the list goes on.

The Conservative party is turning out to be the old boys club where they give women the chance to be cabinet ministers only as window dressing to appeal to the women voters but they don’t say anything because the muzzle is tight.

If Helena Guergis does decide to cross the floor this month and join up with the Liberal party the rest of the women Conservative MPs should follow her and come to a party where they can be equals.

What are you smoking to come to these inane conclusions - as it surely ain't legal - Guergis is the kiss of death - But would be right at home with the Liberal Bagmen and I am thinking Quebec.
 

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Hey LW back off, you are going into explaining finite details that have nothing to do with what I said, When a politician provincial or federal changes his or her allegiance to a new political ideology they have essentially crossed the boundary from one political ideology to another, no bullsh!t propaganda on that, you want to split hair, you are playing alone. Don't start telling me crap and belittling me because you feel I deserve it.

Would you prefer I scolded you for something you didn't do?

So what if a politician turned coat? So what if he chose to use a Liberal flag for a sure bet at being head honcho. Politicians do that. ALL politicians do that .... just as I've tried to explain to you through how many threads now?

Who isn't an opportunist? Not you. Not me....

Get over yourself....
 
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Socrates the Greek

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Would you prefer I scolded you for something you didn't do?
.Look LW, why get this complicated, you know what I said it was just a philosophical statement. You are making a federal case out off nothing. I am not used to dealing with people who use sarcasm as the main means to communication. You are not happy I said Jean Charest an X Conservative crossed the floor and became a Liberal, you come on to correct me that he left Conservative federal politics to take the job as Premier of Quebec with a new label Liberal, what ever the processes you describe, bottom line I said if he gets convicted form the Judge selection fiasco he brought his Conservative principles with him. Why is that make you unhappy. If he is found to be guilty It doesn’t mean that all Conservatives would do the same thing . As for Helena Georges, I said if she is found to be innocent no one would blame her for going to cross the floor on the Liberal team. So were do you find me in contempt?:canada:
 

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.Look LW, why get this complicated, you know what I said it was just a philosophical statement. You are making a federal case out off nothing. I am not used to dealing with people who use sarcasm as the main means to communication. You are not happy I said Jean Charest an X Conservative crossed the floor and became a Liberal, you come on to correct me that he left Conservative federal politics to take the job as Premier of Quebec with a new label Liberal, what ever the processes you describe, bottom line I said if he gets convicted form the Judge selection fiasco he brought his Conservative principles with him. Why is that make you unhappy. If he is found to be guilty It doesn’t mean that all Conservatives would do the same thing . As for Helena Georges, I said if she is found to be innocent no one would blame her for going to cross the floor on the Liberal team. So were do you find me in contempt?:canada:


Um ... ESP? How did I know what you were going to say? Read above....