Is Bush the worst U.S. president ever?
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You think not? America is behaving completely predictably, just like every other imperial power in history has, and justifying it essentially the same way, just as you have: "It's for your own good, we're helping you."
They didn't fool the UN, nor did they fool the entire world, or myself for that matter. I knew it was a sham from Day 1.... our PM at the time even knew and stated there was not enough solid evidence to promote any invasion of Iraq (That was stated after they presented their hush hush evidence to him away from cameras) The UN didn't believe there were grounds for an invasion in the first place, which is why they never went in and the US needed to whip up their Coalition of Fools, with a long list of various countries which never really sent or supported anything and that 98% of the forces in Iraq were US/UK only.... not actually being any sort of Coalition at all.
However what the US did end up doing, was using their special powers as a permanent Security Council member, as well as Bush's influence on Blair in the UK to use their powers as well to go ahead with the invasion. For the UN to actually oppose their decisions at the time would have involved the UN either completely fractured to collapse (Therefore when the crap really hit the fan, there wouldn't be a UN to stop the US anyways) or be so devided between nations after this, that the UN wouldn't even function properly, so they decided to play the game of solid face to the world and bent over backwards and took whatever the US dished out......
And this is exactly what we got, all because some nations in the UN didn't have enough brains and enough balls to do anything to prevent this hell we have now.... and right now, the Iraqis are the ones suffering, the common family and citizen in the US is suffering, neighboring nations to the two are suffering, if not, soon...... and to me, the UN showed just how useful they are. They're corrupt, their method of operation is flawed to have allowed certain nations more rule over others (Not very United if you ask me) and in allowing this crap to occur as it did, as it still does..... they might as well be disbanded like the old League of Nations.
Don't forget, their vote actually has to get past those nice new machines of theirs without corruption before that can happen. Although in order to prevent the machines from corrupting the votes, there needs to be a method of monitoring those devices..... but they don't have that either. Prone to crashes, wiping complete lists of votes for one area, inadiquate security programs installed to prevent hacking/tampering......
.... I mean, besides the known corruption in Florida that allowed Bush to win in the first place, not to mention the rigging against Kerry in the second one.... exactly how can one hope the US citizen will not be fooled again in the next election, when you can't even trust your ligit vote will be recorded properly to the right person?
The voters must make sure the vote 'is not close', make it obvious. What happened to
Kerry was criminal, both at the voting areas, and in the campaign, to this point in time
I don't see that kind of 'horrible' campaigning, and McCain said, just the other day, that
he will run a CLEAN campaign, but what about his sarogates, how can he control them,
or, does he want to, does he just want to look 'clean', I wonder.
Programs like Hannity & Colmes, and other far right wing conservative cheaters, don't
care about anything, they even sacrifice their own intelligence, and look totally
retarded and childish trying to make their point. I don't watch that program at all
anymore, and I don't know how Colmes can stay in there, he is very brave indeed.
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Those people did need our help, what about the hundreds of Kurds Saddam killed, are we to just let them be murdered by an evil dictator? I believe that we, the first world countries do have a duty to protect people like that, people being mercilessly abused by people in power, and yes us being first world countries is a God-given right for man can accomplish nothing without the help of God
That was two decades before 2003, and not much was said about it when it happened. Saddam fought the same nuts the US is fighting now in Iraq. Just a coincidence?
No, he did not fight the same nuts we are fighting now, we aren't even fighting anymore we are keeping the peace, the official war is over, we are attempting to stop violence between Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds. WHen Saddam was in power the Sunnis ruled the government and the other two peoples, the shiites being the majority were oppressed, we have stopped that
No iranians are giving the iraqis weapons to support the civil war and occupy the united states, they are also harbouring several of the so called armies, but really Sunni or shiite armed bands that attack the other gruop and/or Coalition forces
He was a threat to the innocent people of his own country who happened to have diffrent ideas from his so they were mistreated, and what about the First Gulf War in which he attacked Kuwait in a conflict that resulted in many deaths, and the Iraq-Iran War which also resulted in many deaths, he was not neccessarily a threat to you and i but he was a threat to some innocent people who we needed to protect
That's there business, and the stories of mistreatment in some cases didn't pass the propoganda laugh test. Good stories though.
If they can't defend themselves its up to the people who can defend them. Sheep are not left out alone but have sheep dogs to guard them from the wolves. WOuld you let your sheep alone unguarded? Thats the same as letting these poor innocent people suffer
okay so you are saying that we should just let any oppresed poeple in the world suffer and any evil dictators reign? if we did that with Hitler we would all be speaking German and trying to start a rebellion, i know you should be proud of what we did to Hitler, Your father or gradfathers could've been involved in D-Day just as mine were
It's one thing to care about what goes on in our house - and a completely different thing to worry about what goes on in someone else's. Nothing gives us the right to appoint ourselves as God.
Woof!
We are not appointing ourselves as God we are doing what good people have been doing for oppressed people for centuries, but the recent drift away from Christianity is clouding peoples minds and causing them to now see this in a different light
Charity begins at home. Would good Christians slaughter women and children? Wounded Knee comes to mind quickly. Would good charitable people allow the streets to fill with homeless people while the Rockerfellers and the Morgans of this world insulate themselves with thicker bales of money? I'm afraid there is a price to be paid for every "good deed" done across the sea. It's always the date who pays. You cannot expect to fix a thing by throwing money at an overseas problem while ignoring the folks who live on your very doorstep.
Woof!
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