Okay, our country has made mistakes in the past, but so has every other country, this is not a reason to not protect other people though because that would just entail making another mistake
Is Bush the worst U.S. president ever?
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ALso, i want to state that part of the reason i am defending this topic is that there seems to be no other americans on this sight willing enough to do so, but i do not consider myself an american first, i consider myself, English, Irish, Scottish, and German, and then American
Standing up for the oppressed isn't the problem. It's after those people have become dependent on you - when you decide the bad guys are all gone and it's time for you to go - you leave problems in your wake. It's when you are invited into their home and you expect that home to be run in a way that is right for you that resent begins. It's when you step in to help out in any situation, then you expect eternal gratitude and payments far beyond what their own cultural dignities will allow that the seeds of distrust are sown. Respect cannot be commanded. It has to be earned.
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I do not uderstand, where are we asking for eternal gratitude? we are still trying to help the Iraqis build themselves a free society, we are still losing young americans for the Iraqis we are not demanding gratitude we are giving freedom
Can't you understand? What is freedom to you is not a concept they can understand or accept. You are completely different cultures. No matter how hard you try, you cannot make people be something they aren't - and these people are NOT American. You aren't losing young Americans for Iraq. You are losing them for Exxon.
Woof!
There are many countries in the world 'who' abuse their citizens, and the. u.s. and others ignore them. It is the job of the united nations, not the u.s. to gather countries
together, and decide 'together' what countries should be entered, or not. the u.s.
should not be doing it unilaterally. The way in which saddam treated his citizens, and the kurds, had nothing to do with the invasion. In the first gulf war, the u.s. encouraged
the kurds to rise up against saddam, and they would back them, and they 'didn't. The
kurds were left out to dry by the u.s.
Yup... you don't jump in and act like the mother when you don't know what you're dealing with. If you wanted someone to stop it, get Iran or another neighbor which is of similar culture, religion and relation to them. Don't go dropping boots on their country and expect them to lie down easily, thinking you have their best interests.
#1 - It's an insult just having forign non-believers of Islam walking the soil of their holy lands. Much of Iraq is considdered very sacred to their faith, including many of the surrounding countries. Much of the Muslim faith and history occured there. And now you have these forigners trashing their lands, trying to change their way of life, forcing them to accept another form of government and telling them it's "freedom." Seriously, put yourself in their shoes. Has your country's wonderful judgement and assistence brought a better life to those in Iraq? How many Iraqis are now displaced, refugees, have no parents or have lost their children, their homes, their sense of some level of security from random violence?
You can thank your God for the miricle he's brought apon those in Iraq and the families of the soldiers from the US whom have their sons and daughters killed or brutally mamed for the sole purpose of oil, profit and ignorance of those who abuse the trust of the innocent.
Please re-read what you have typed in regards to "being mercilessly abused by people in power" and by all means, do a little web search in regards to the average behavior of the US troops over in Iraq or Afghanistan against the native people of those countries in which you claim you are liberating and making safe..... Raping and pilliaging like the vikings you came as.
Also, do a quick search for interviews and comments from actual Iraqis about the war you brought to their lands and see how many are currently begging for Saddam to return and the way of life he brought them. They cry and proclaim that the hell he brought to them was nothing compared to the everyday way of life they lead now.
If you really want to start helping people, how about you first learn how to listen to what people want or need, not dictate to them what you think they need or want, because you think you know what is best. You, your country and the decisions you all followed are responsible for what they have to go through now. Their suffering is not due to God or some devine plan to rescue them..... their suffering is due to your country's lies and actions, and the US needs to be held accountable for what you are responsible for.
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I see two extremes here.
The US jumping in unilaterally when it shouldn't.
The other extreme ?
The world being too timid to stop Rwanda or Darfur carnage by itself without US participation. Or look at Europe going years standing on the sidelines while the Balkans
flared up. Europe promised NEVER AGAIN on its own continent. Didn't happen.
This bipolar behavior of the world, needs a prescription of some sort.
The US jumping in unilaterally when it shouldn't.
The other extreme ?
The world being too timid to stop Rwanda or Darfur carnage by itself without US participation. Or look at Europe going years standing on the sidelines while the Balkans
flared up. Europe promised NEVER AGAIN on its own continent. Didn't happen.
This bipolar behavior of the world, needs a prescription of some sort.
Incorrect. The difference here is Hitler actually invaded and kepts other nations.... and kept doing this regardless of our protests. We didn't act even after the fact/actions. Yet here with Iraq, there was talk and hype about stopping Saddam and not to make the same mistakes as WWII....... well Saddam was probably sitting home, drinking scotch and fartin up a storm while Bush was trying to potray him as the world's next Hitler in training. He did not invade and keep nations, and continue to spread like Nazi Germany did, and on top of that, he wasn't even making the big speeches about making the pure race, to take out the US.... hell, he didn't even have any WMD!!
Did he invade Kuwait? Yup, and you guys attacked him and pushed him back.... justifiable, since Kuwait asked for your help, he actually used military force, makes sense. But it seems like you're going along the same mentality that he's invaded a nation before, he'll do it again.
^ The US invaded Canada before, the US invaded Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, now there's talk about Iran. Exactly how many more countries should we be allowing you guys to keep invading for your own interests and what you think is best? Do you understand now exactly the image you guys have created yourselves into? Who should be related to Hitler and Nazi Germany here? Certainly not Iraq or Saddam.
You're talking to a former Roman Catholic from a very devote family upbringing. Quite simply, Christianity has always been clouded from Day 1. You ask a few basic questions and what do you get? "Have faith" ~ Suck hole that, give me a ligit answer or you're BS'ing me, plain and simple. Christianity has nothing to do with anything, just like any of the other religions. They all have some answers, but not all of the answers, and the ones they don't, they try to fill the blanks, eventually conflicting with another religions'.... they both claim to be the right path to choose/follow, and to prove they are the right religion to follow, they goto war to kill off the other group and their belief. Once one side is wiped off the map, the other will claim God protected them and they were the right way all along.
In reality and in todays age, both are just going to nuke the snot out of us all in the name of their Gods and we're all going to die.... all for a friggin religion that someone thought was the right path to take, and that they were right..... They Knew Best and Held to their Faith with Blindness.
Then take and learn from those herritages and their own past mistakes.
Look at how and what you say in this thread. You live in a 1st world country, AKA: developed.... you live in one of the richest countries in the world..... you figure your country should use it's powers and abilities to protect and do what is best for those less fortunate, that because of your place in the world, you and your country should know what is the best way of life for everyone in the world and therefore, you guys should be able to invade other countries with leaders you think are bad and show them how to live.
Now..... Take a good hard look at what the British Empire was like. How about the Roman Empire for that matter? They both considdered themselves the top of the food chain, the best of the best. They had everything they needed, they took over other nations to suit their needs, to teach those they conquered how to live their way of life, what religion they should follow, that they are doing all of this because they, the British Empire and Roman Empire.... "Knew best and what the people want/need who are less fortunate then they are."
They got high on their own supplies, started to think they're Tony Montana and eventually the little people got together to shot them down. No more British Empire.... no more Roman Empire.
If the US keeps this attitude up, there will no longer be a US Super Power. Sure the rest of us in the world might suffer a bit during your down fall, but not as much and as hard as you guys will.... with the national debt, Bush's legacy and destruction of the entire economy, unless something drastic occurs soon, yer all screwed.
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2000- economic boom
2008- reccession
That should be a little more clarifying than those no longer looking for work and the middle class shrinking as they move to lower paid jobs.
Economics 101: economies go in cycles.
Investopedia Says:
Since the Second World War, most business cycles have lasted three to five years from peak to peak. The average duration of an expansion is 44.8 months and the average duration of a recession is 11 months. As a comparison, the Great Depression - which saw a decline in economic activity from 1929 to 1933 - lasted 43 months from peak to trough.
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Walter
Your observation that "economies go in cycles" is somewhat accurate. Cycles that are related to other phenomena however...
What impact on these "economic cycles" do you suppose occurs when one third of the worlds population consumes far more than everyone else?
Of course "economics" isn't a "natural phenomenon", it is product of targetted interests and as those interests are acted upon, world economic dynamics change....
Your observation that "economies go in cycles" is somewhat accurate. Cycles that are related to other phenomena however...
What impact on these "economic cycles" do you suppose occurs when one third of the worlds population consumes far more than everyone else?
Of course "economics" isn't a "natural phenomenon", it is product of targetted interests and as those interests are acted upon, world economic dynamics change....
So Bob Rae had nothing to do with hard times in Ontario in the early 90's and Mike Harris had nothing to do with the boom in the mid to late 90's.
Thanks for clarifying that old boy.