Is an adulterous thought a sin?

[Socrates the Greek]

A dream is a thought, if it's accompanied by nocturnal emisions this constitutes consumation of a carnal act ,it is a sin of the gravest nature. I read that somewhere, I have no firsthand knowledge of this type of sin though, honest.:smile:

Great thought darkbeaver;-)

 

[dancing-loon]

So you think a thought is a sin?

umm...well, yes, I guess it could be, if I have a certain sinful thought over and over. Luckily I have the option of replacing that thought with a more sensible one. That is a possibility done easier on paper than in reality, but theoretically I could be master of my thoughts one day in the future.

That explains why I have not participated in organized religion.

Wonderful! Neither have I.

Without the freedom to think people are only pawns.

That's right. Influencing people's thoughts and steering them into a desired direction goes on all the time.

I choose free thought and my own morality. I choose to be a good person in spite of my thoughts. That makes me stronger than all the religions combined as I have the will to do these things without being thought controlled into them.

That is truly great! With that you acknowledge also your responsibility for your thoughts and deeds... just you alone.

Ah, sweet freedom.

:smile: At this stage in my life I'm able to rejoice with you!

 

[lone wolf]

Hey, we're only human ... but a thought is just a thought unless you act on it.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

You can't control what you think, or feel, but the action you take as a result of that thought or feeling you can, and when you cave in to those thoughts and feelings, you lower
your 'demand' for respect from those who love you, and whatever the consequences are,
that are negative for you, you made your bed, and now you have to lie in it.

My husband and I have 'never' cheated on each other, and, if we had, we would not be
together today. We talked a bout it years ago in length, and both of us have no leniency
with such actions, and we both knew if it happened, 'it is over', period, no room for
whining apologies, or excuses, or, especially if connected to alchohol or drugs,(which would
never happen in our case) which seems
to help get some out of these messes.
Yeah, if I was religious I would call such behavior a 'sin'.

The theater of monogamy has a majestic sun ray on it when there is no real flaw in a relationship. We look at vows, when the solemn pledge is made, it is for better or for worst, and in between the two for better, or for worst, we see the word forgiveness at times of worst.

Forgiveness is necessary in order to have a true healthy human marital or common-law relationship, to be able to forgive with out pressure from anyone, that is a strong quality in an individual, plus it takes away the burden of having to fight it.

A healthy marital oral agreement between two people requires Tolerance, a paramount element necessary in order to keep the constitution of mirage alive.
God gave us visual instruments, (eyes) to appreciate anything that has a worth, in admiring lust or admiring adventure we become daring and then we silently say no balls no glory, and the challenge is on, completely becoming oblivious to the reality while sitting in the emotional rollercoaster we find our self’s in, because of the necessity to fulfill the void.
I congratulate all people who worked hard in their mirages and in spite of adulterating and tempting thoughts or violations they were a part of and managed to keep it going.

Tolloola: I admire your tranquil marital world; sorry for the long explanation I just love the subject.

:smile:

 

[scratch]

The theater of monogamy has a majestic sun ray on it when there is no real flaw in a relationship. We look at vows, when the solemn pledge is made, it is for better or for worst, and in between the two for better, or for worst, we see the word forgiveness at times of worst.

Forgiveness is necessary in order to have a true healthy human marital or common-law relationship, to be able to forgive with out pressure from anyone, that is a strong quality in an individual, plus it takes away the burden of having to fight it.

A healthy marital oral agreement between two people requires Tolerance, a paramount element necessary in order to keep the constitution of mirage alive.
God gave us visual instruments, (eyes) to appreciate anything that has a worth, in admiring lust or admiring adventure we become daring and then we silently say no balls no glory, and the challenge is on, completely becoming oblivious to the reality while sitting in the emotional rollercoaster we find our self’s in, because of the necessity to fulfill the void.
I congratulate all people who worked hard in their mirages and in spite of adulterating and tempting thoughts or violations they were a part of and managed to keep it going.

Tolloola: I admire your tranquil marital world; sorry for the long explanation I just love the subject.

:smile:

To think about it -- NO. And even if I were religious I'd still say -- NO.
No because there is always something that has happened to initiate the thought.

 

[darkbeaver]

You can't control what you think, or feel, but the action you take as a result of that thought or feeling you can, and when you cave in to those thoughts and feelings, you lower
your 'demand' for respect from those who love you, and whatever the consequences are,
that are negative for you, you made your bed, and now you have to lie in it.

My husband and I have 'never' cheated on each other, and, if we had, we would not be
together today. We talked a bout it years ago in length, and both of us have no leniency
with such actions, and we both knew if it happened, 'it is over', period, no room for
whining apologies, or excuses, or, especially if connected to alchohol or drugs,(which would
never happen in our case) which seems
to help get some out of these messes.

Wonder how John Edwards is feeling today, as he is a person who I respected a lot, now, I don't,
he is a fool, weak, inconsiderate, and I hope his wife kicks his ass out the door, but I have a feeling
that she 'will stand by her man', and that makes her a fool too.

Yeah, if I was religious I would call such behavior a 'sin'.

By the way that is laudable but rare marital conduct.
I cannot believe that a ravishing women of your striking appeal has not exercised her innate charm at some point in a forgotten moment and perhaps smiled oh so faintly in some other direction. Some women can forgive the weakness inherant in a man for the charms of the other sex. Sometimes they are rewarded with fidelity sometimes with continued heartache.
Forgive us Talloola, we are only men, the weakest sex by far.:smile:

 

[talloola]

The theater of monogamy has a majestic sun ray on it when there is no real flaw in a relationship. We look at vows, when the solemn pledge is made, it is for better or for worst, and in between the two for better, or for worst, we see the word forgiveness at times of worst.

Forgiveness is necessary in order to have a true healthy human marital or common-law relationship, to be able to forgive with out pressure from anyone, that is a strong quality in an individual, plus it takes away the burden of having to fight it.

A healthy marital oral agreement between two people requires Tolerance, a paramount element necessary in order to keep the constitution of mirage alive.
God gave us visual instruments, (eyes) to appreciate anything that has a worth, in admiring lust or admiring adventure we become daring and then we silently say no balls no glory, and the challenge is on, completely becoming oblivious to the reality while sitting in the emotional rollercoaster we find our self’s in, because of the necessity to fulfill the void.
I congratulate all people who worked hard in their mirages and in spite of adulterating and tempting thoughts or violations they were a part of and managed to keep it going.

Tolloola: I admire your tranquil marital world; sorry for the long explanation I just love the subject.

:smile:

Throughout our lives, we have seen marriages come and go, (that should have), and
marriages continue, with a sad cloud over them, because there is no trust or truth.
We've seen friends have their hearts broken, husbands become drunks, spouses
cheat on each other,and a husband who was shot dead by his mistress's son,
and a few marriages that had 'true' strength. There must be
lots of tolerance and forgiveness, BUT, we will not forgive 'cheating' ever, and we are
proud of each other for having that strength and firmness, and, if every spouse who
cheated, knew at that very moment, he/she is ending the marriage, they might give
much more thought to the decision they are making, but if they think that they will never get caught, and no one will know, then they aren't worth it, let him/her go.
We were both good looking young people, so, there was, from time to time opportunities for each of us to make that decision, when we were approached
by others, (who were attempting to cheat on their spouses,) pretty sad.
I don't accept the idea that, cheating is just a mistake, and couples should work through that,
maybe because it has become so 'common' now days, there is no choice, sorry I can't accept that,
as cheating to me is a 'grave' error in a marriage, not just a mistake.
It's like a plague out there, and becoming more acceptable, cheating seems to be
something, you just talk over now, and forgive, and get on with it, 'sorry', not in this house.

 

[karrie]

I bear the opposite opinion... that those who walk away do so from an unwillingness to put any real effort into repairing a marriage. The divorce rate isn't what it is because people have become more forgiving of cheating. The divorce rate is what it is because society pushes the notion that a bit of struggle, a bit of pain, justifies walking away.

To forgive, rebuild trust, and repair a relationship takes an immense amount of resolve and strength.

I guess it all depends on the people involved.

 

[talloola]

I bear the opposite opinion... that those who walk away do so from an unwillingness to put any real effort into repairing a marriage. The divorce rate isn't what it is because people have become more forgiving of cheating. The divorce rate is what it is because society pushes the notion that a bit of struggle, a bit of pain, justifies walking away.

To forgive, rebuild trust, and repair a relationship takes an immense amount of resolve and strength.

I guess it all depends on the people involved.

I agree with everything you say, very sound and reasonable, with the exception of infidelity, not enough importance being put on that part of the vow, but the rest
of it, you are bang on.
I have a question that I am curious about. I sometimes think that there are those who marry, with the agreement,
that it might not be lifelong, but till they come to the end of the agreement, what do you think, have you known
anyone who did that.
My daughter read a stat to me one day, and it said that most women will have 3 partners throughout her life,
that is becoming the norm. I wonder.

 

[karrie]

I agree with everything you say, very sound and reasonable, with the exception of infidelity, not enough importance being put on that part of the vow, but the rest
of it, you are bang on.
I have a question that I am curious about. I sometimes think that there are those who marry, with the agreement,
that it might not be lifelong, but till they come to the end of the agreement, what do you think, have you known
anyone who did that.
My daughter read a stat to me one day, and it said that most women will have 3 partners throughout her life,
that is becoming the norm. I wonder.

I think many people now marry with the intention to stay married so long as it is healthy. They don't mean to cut and run, but, we have been taught to not sit around in sick relationships either. We've been taught it's detrimental not only for us, but for our children and our extended families to do so. And I think that's a fairly fair lesson. It's just too bad that more couples aren't also given more tools, other than leaving, to use to repair relationships, mend marriages.

 

[talloola]

I think many people now marry with the intention to stay married so long as it is healthy. They don't mean to cut and run, but, we have been taught to not sit around in sick relationships either. We've been taught it's detrimental not only for us, but for our children and our extended families to do so. And I think that's a fairly fair lesson. It's just too bad that more couples aren't also given more tools, other than leaving, to use to repair relationships, mend marriages.

I'm sure most marry with a very sincere thought for their future, but I guess many are not ready, and what is
ready anyway, it's so complicated.
Any so many marry because a baby is on the way, makes it very difficult.
Maybe a year of 'marriage school' is a good idea, ha, can you imagine anyone going for that idea.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Throughout our lives, we have seen marriages come and go, (that should have), and
marriages continue, with a sad cloud over them, because there is no trust or truth.
We've seen friends have their hearts broken, husbands become drunks, spouses
cheat on each other, and a few marriages that had 'true' strength. There must be
lots of tolerance and forgiveness, BUT, we will not forgive 'cheating' ever, and we are
proud of each other for having that strength and firmness, and, if every spouse who
cheated, knew at that very moment, he/she is ending the marriage, they might give
much more thought to the decision they are making, but if they think that they will never get caught, and no one will know, then they aren't worth it, let him/her go.
We were both good looking young people, so, there was, from time to time opportunities for each of us to make that decision, when we were approached
by others, (who were attempting to cheat on their spouses,) pretty sad.
It's like a plague out there, and becoming more acceptable, cheating seems to be
something, you just talk over now, and forgive, and get on with it, 'sorry', not in this house.

For sure marital happiness now days seeing how the world thinks, is like finding a diamond in the sand at the beach. Enjoy talloola!

 

[MissAnnika]

its just how ppl r, we think and dream about bad things bcuz we cant always control it. i doubt anyone has a pure mind. carrying out those thought is what's bad

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I bear the opposite opinion... that those who walk away do so from an unwillingness to put any real effort into repairing a marriage. The divorce rate isn't what it is because people have become more forgiving of cheating. The divorce rate is what it is because society pushes the notion that a bit of struggle, a bit of pain, justifies walking away.

To forgive, rebuild trust, and repair a relationship takes an immense amount of resolve and strength

I guess it all depends on the people involved.

Good one karrie, I am thankful my hard work helping the other half is paying off for both of us today after 33 years at the age 57, you are right it sure ain't a cake walk.:smile:

 

[scratch]

Good one karrie, I am thankful my hard work helping the other half is paying off for both of us today after 33 years at the age 57, you are right it sure ain't a cake walk.:smile:

22 years of constantly giving and never having it reciprocated.....can cause a strain.... divorce is in mode....it's all about money......whether it be marriage, your job, your children...your neighbours......nothing is a cake walk

 

[MissAnnika]

*walks through the house carrying a cake*:tongue3:

 

[darkbeaver]

its just how ppl r, we think and dream about bad things bcuz we cant always control it. i doubt anyone has a pure mind. carrying out those thought is what's bad

I have a pure mind Miss Annika, 100% pure, but whatconstitutes purity is another matter.:lol:

 

[talloola]

delete

 

[Nuggler]

;-)Dang, Taloola, I wanted to read that.........c'mon eh!! not fair!!

But; back to threadbare:

Is an adulterous thought a sin?
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!!!:lol::lol::lol:

Wooops, sorry; you're serious, ain't ya?

KHNSNISHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! damn! Coffee all over me shirt.................sorry.

:lol::lol::lol::lolang, Nugg, stop that!!!! Be freakin serious for once, eh!!!

No, it's not a goddam sin, fer christ's sake. If it is, we all have sinned!!!

Ah Jeez...............:lol::lol:ROTFFLMFAO...............

A married guy sees a lovely woman, or just a woman, if yer hard up, or a guy, if yer gay, eh.................an thoughts DO STRAY to acts most carnal. I don't know about wimmen, but I hear through the grapevine (god I hate that word), that, THEY TOO, ALSO, have carnalility-ness in their minds..................THANK WHASSISNAME, or no one would ever get laid!!......................Cause, like, how many times have youse guys got it when the little woman didn't want to, eh???? Truth, now.

Why do you think they call it a carnalval............Rides and all, eh!!!!

So, no. It's normal. It won't turn ya blind, or even hard of hearing. It's NORMAL!!!
repeat.................normal......and, in Canada, it won't get ya stoned.( as in ouch, oww, ooh) 8OYou might get stoned and then have "them" thoughts, but the thoughts alone won't do it...............

relax, have a drink, take it easy, slow down, think dirty. You'll like it.

prof. Nuggler: BS MS PHD*







*BULLSH!T, MORE OF SAME, PILED HIGHER AND DEEPER.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Nuggler; truth is that the foundation of trust in a human relationships starts with loyalty. Getting laid although it is a necessity in keeping the human organs healthy, all the emotional jazz that come with it, the hiding, the lying, and all the pain of gilt in my view, it takes away from being able to enjoy life in the long term.

We are very insecure beings when it comes to sex. Many of us have been put to the test to cheat or thinking of cheating in an effort to answer to our insecurities in a submissive fashion, with the end result after the fact, the after math of divorce, humiliation and broken dreams. The trap of a marital sexual sin (adulteration) is like
the swirl in the ocean which swallows a ship.

One thing for sure, premeditation starts with one single thought if that particular thought gets carried out, if that thought is about how would it be to have a sexual connection with a new person other than a spouse, a common-law relationship, or a girl friend or what ever then that should be a sin. The power of intention is huge.

Intend with ill thoughts is a sin!!!!


Nuggler; "A married guy sees a lovely woman, or just a woman, if yer hard up, or a guy, if yer gay, eh.................an thoughts DO STRAY to acts most carnal. I don't know about wimmen, but I hear through the grapevine (god I hate that word), that, THEY TOO, ALSO, have carnalility-ness in their minds..................THANK WHASSISNAME, or no one would ever get laid!!......................Cause, like, how many times have youse guys got it when the little woman didn't want to, eh???? Truth, now.

Why do you think they call it a carnalval............Rides and all, eh!!!!

So, no. It's normal. It won't turn ya blind, or even hard of hearing. It's NORMAL!!!
repeat.................normal......and, in Canada, it won't get ya stoned.( as in ouch, oww, ooh) 8OYou might get stoned and then have "them" thoughts, but the thoughts alone won't do it...............

relax, have a drink, take it easy, slow down, think dirty. You'll like it.

prof. Nuggler: BS MS PHD*"







*BULLSH!T, MORE OF SAME, PILED HIGHER AND DEEPER.












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