Is America Turning To Communism?
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The essay makes sense but the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA????
You got to be friggin joking.
That would be like going from bad to worse.
A center of the road approach is more realistic.
Quotes from this web site http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
"The results were shocking: according to these first figures, independent of war and other kinds of conflict, governments probably have murdered 119,400,000 people, Marxist governments about 95,200,000 of them. By comparison, the battle-killed in all foreign and domestic wars in this (20th) century total 35,700,000." and "61,911,000 Victims: Utopianism Empowered 1917 to 1987"
Most of the victims were Christians because most Marxists are atheists.
"Religion is the opiate of the people" is one of the most frequently quoted statements of Karl Marx.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx
When this financial crisis settles down a bit there should be another round of McCarthyism, if not sooner.
It's socialism or the highway my friend, the planet has an important hurdle to overcome. Either we the people eliminate the class system or it will surely eliminate the people. A capitalist is a criminal deviant, nothing matters to them but power and wealth, they are for all intents and purposes totally useless. Follow the money before you get to sure of who did what to whom, I think you'll find a capitalist banking cabal in every genocide story of the twentyith century, they always fund both sides and have never lost at war yet.
The charge of Communism is one that is brought out by the libertarian, neo--liberal establishment every time their interests are under threat. It happened in the 1950's to spur on the rescinding of Roosevelt's New Deal economics.
The Neo-liberal agenda has been in control of the U.S. and world economy since Nixon rescinded the Bretton Woods agreement and a steady stream U.S. Presidents, Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. pressed the agenda of Free Trade, monetarism, privatization, deregulation.. and the dismantling of the democratic sovereign nation state.. it's primary opposition.
It has all been an umitigated DISASTER, leading to the dissolution of manufacturing and industry in the first the world, the enslavement of the developing world to the status of feudal servitude to Western investment interests, under threat of currency sabatoge and isolation through the neolib agents in the IMF, World Bank, WTO.. with rampant poverty, usery; a vast polarization of wealth.. AND a speculative bubble of financial derivatives in mortgages and currency that is on the brink of bringing down the world economy.
It is an economy run by morons, who pay idiots like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh to spread its gospel.. and in every sense it a Godless Evil.. the charge they deflect to 'communism'. It is predatory, amoral, greed and sloth besotted and unconscienably cruel.
Any one who understands economics knows the difference between communism and a true democratic economy that strictly supervises markets, credit, currency, natural resources and natural monopolies (which exist only in utilities, transportation and communications infrastructure, and banking) in the national interest. It is only the latter that should be nationalized in the public interest.
Through outcome based tarriffs (full, honestly compensated employment and equitably shared wealth) and commercial laws to promote vigorous internal competition and development. That is the system the West after the Second World War which led to the greatest economic expansion in history and equitably shared wealth creation, and it is that which has been destroyed by Neo-liberalism.. bringing us now to the brink of economic collapse. Don't trust the lunatics who bay about communism, they all belong in asylums. Look now at what happens when the inmates are put in charge of that asylum
The Neo-liberal agenda has been in control of the U.S. and world economy since Nixon rescinded the Bretton Woods agreement and a steady stream U.S. Presidents, Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. pressed the agenda of Free Trade, monetarism, privatization, deregulation.. and the dismantling of the democratic sovereign nation state.. it's primary opposition.
It has all been an umitigated DISASTER, leading to the dissolution of manufacturing and industry in the first the world, the enslavement of the developing world to the status of feudal servitude to Western investment interests, under threat of currency sabatoge and isolation through the neolib agents in the IMF, World Bank, WTO.. with rampant poverty, usery; a vast polarization of wealth.. AND a speculative bubble of financial derivatives in mortgages and currency that is on the brink of bringing down the world economy.
It is an economy run by morons, who pay idiots like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh to spread its gospel.. and in every sense it a Godless Evil.. the charge they deflect to 'communism'. It is predatory, amoral, greed and sloth besotted and unconscienably cruel.
Any one who understands economics knows the difference between communism and a true democratic economy that strictly supervises markets, credit, currency, natural resources and natural monopolies (which exist only in utilities, transportation and communications infrastructure, and banking) in the national interest. It is only the latter that should be nationalized in the public interest.
Through outcome based tarriffs (full, honestly compensated employment and equitably shared wealth) and commercial laws to promote vigorous internal competition and development. That is the system the West after the Second World War which led to the greatest economic expansion in history and equitably shared wealth creation, and it is that which has been destroyed by Neo-liberalism.. bringing us now to the brink of economic collapse. Don't trust the lunatics who bay about communism, they all belong in asylums. Look now at what happens when the inmates are put in charge of that asylum
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The USA has been the largest socialist country on earth for decades. Just because they don't call themselves socialist doesn't mean they aren't. They have more infrastructure than any other country on earth. They have a corporate welfare system that is rivalled only by China. The "trickle down economics" of Ronald Reagan is a flavour of socialism in that context.
The USA has a single government (unofficially) with two rival factions who are paid for by the same corporations. The constituents in the USA aren't the people it's corporations. They set the agenda and as a result there is little to no difference between the two factions.
The USA is in actuality neo-socialist (Arkady Yerusalimsky, German Imperialism, Its Past And Present) where the means of production is held in the hands of a few, the resources of the country are farmed out to capital, the infrastructure is sold off (privatized), the government works very closely with central banks etc, and social programs are a means of control (oddly, you can always tell how a country will treat a thing by how they fear it IMO).
Anyway, as I have maintained for years now, the Nazi's lost their bid for territory but their ideology won the day. The USA is neo-socialist a.k.a Nazi economics (an updated version mind you but fundamentally the same).
The USA has a single government (unofficially) with two rival factions who are paid for by the same corporations. The constituents in the USA aren't the people it's corporations. They set the agenda and as a result there is little to no difference between the two factions.
The USA is in actuality neo-socialist (Arkady Yerusalimsky, German Imperialism, Its Past And Present) where the means of production is held in the hands of a few, the resources of the country are farmed out to capital, the infrastructure is sold off (privatized), the government works very closely with central banks etc, and social programs are a means of control (oddly, you can always tell how a country will treat a thing by how they fear it IMO).
Anyway, as I have maintained for years now, the Nazi's lost their bid for territory but their ideology won the day. The USA is neo-socialist a.k.a Nazi economics (an updated version mind you but fundamentally the same).
I agree with you China. I have a few friends living there and know others that have been to teach English. That being said, however, China has some huge, and in my opinion, insurmountable problems of ideology.
China isn't truly capitalist until they float their currency. Until then the government is heavily subsidizing it's industry which is giving a false sense of growth. In a properly functioning world China wouldn't be able to peddle its wears until it floated its currency but, unfortunately, their biggest customer can't do that because they are too heavily invested in China itself! So we see the money flowing from the US to China.
This is the really bad part though, China doesn't have a real economy, it can't stand on its own; it is doing well only because it is growing so quickly and it is growing so quickly only because it is raping the USA by not floating its currency. The instant China has no one to rape it will collapse. Any system will look good with the kind of growth China is having but China isn't really growing, business is only migrating to China, there is a huge huge difference.
The Chinese are aware of this problem which is why they won't float their currency. If they did they would collapse over night. Eventually they will collapse anyway. By not forcing them to float their currency they are taking all of us down with them. The US problem is largely due to China which is why to compete the US has to mimic China and use public funds to prop up the economy because that is what gives China such a huge advantage. To combat that advantage the US must start doing the same thing or stop China. They have chosen to destroy themselves it seems.
I personally think the USA should go to war with China if they won't float their currency. China is quite deliberately fu*king us all.
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You commys have got to be joking. At least there is still freedom of religion in status quo North America.
Communism is Godless Evil.
Quotes from this site under The Soviet Union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
"Marxism-Leninism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and, ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs. Within about a year of the revolution the state expropriated all church property, including the churches themselves, and in the period from 1922 to 1926, 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and more than 1,200 priests were killed (a much greater number was subjected to persecution).
In the 1920s and 1930s, such organizations as the League of the Militant Godless ridiculed all religions and harassed believers. Atheism was propagated through schools, communist organizations (such as the Young Pioneer Organization), and the media.
Most seminaries were closed, publication of religious writing was banned. The Russian Orthodox Church, which had 54,000 parishes before World War I, was reduced to 500 by 1940. Although the great majority of Russia was Christian, according to the CIA Factbook, only 17 to 22 percent of the population is now Christian."
So what organization do you people belong to, the League of the Militant Godless or the Young Pioneer Organization?
Calling for a Communist Revolution in the US may have already got you in trouble.
You commys seem to think the only alternative to status quo North America is communism. Wrong. A center of the road approach is more realistic.
I think the moderators of this forum should be reporting yous.
Communism is Godless Evil.
Quotes from this site under The Soviet Union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
"Marxism-Leninism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and, ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs. Within about a year of the revolution the state expropriated all church property, including the churches themselves, and in the period from 1922 to 1926, 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and more than 1,200 priests were killed (a much greater number was subjected to persecution).
In the 1920s and 1930s, such organizations as the League of the Militant Godless ridiculed all religions and harassed believers. Atheism was propagated through schools, communist organizations (such as the Young Pioneer Organization), and the media.
Most seminaries were closed, publication of religious writing was banned. The Russian Orthodox Church, which had 54,000 parishes before World War I, was reduced to 500 by 1940. Although the great majority of Russia was Christian, according to the CIA Factbook, only 17 to 22 percent of the population is now Christian."
So what organization do you people belong to, the League of the Militant Godless or the Young Pioneer Organization?
Calling for a Communist Revolution in the US may have already got you in trouble.
You commys seem to think the only alternative to status quo North America is communism. Wrong. A center of the road approach is more realistic.
I think the moderators of this forum should be reporting yous.
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Without reading anything in this thread except for the original post, the original post is nothing less than idiocy, and here's my reason: The Soviet Union and Cuba were not and have never been communist but ``socialism on the path to communism''.. two very very different things; it seems like the OP has no idea about Communism, Socialism and for that matter Capitalism.
The idea that because the US bailed out the banks from the idiocracy and greed of the current financial crisis as a matter of a socialist or communist policy is absurd. There is nothing socialist about this action.. QUITE THE OPPOSITE. If it were socialist or at the extreme, communist, the government would be bailing out the investors and not the corporations.
The convergence theory is always great to come back to, but this has not yet come into reality.
If you were a real communist Liberalman, god help us all, let's hope your party never comes to power because your OP is bollocks.
The idea that because the US bailed out the banks from the idiocracy and greed of the current financial crisis as a matter of a socialist or communist policy is absurd. There is nothing socialist about this action.. QUITE THE OPPOSITE. If it were socialist or at the extreme, communist, the government would be bailing out the investors and not the corporations.
The convergence theory is always great to come back to, but this has not yet come into reality.
If you were a real communist Liberalman, god help us all, let's hope your party never comes to power because your OP is bollocks.
We've been in what has been described as a center of the road approach for over fifty years MikeMac. Status quo North America. How you going to pay for it? More bodies? More blood? More god? Lots of very good people have done lots of very good work to rid the world of religion, just a little while longer and we will outlaw the hideous practice and the child abuse it engenders. Who cares about offed christians? As long as they don't clog the sewers I see no problem.
To the extent that i belong to anything i allign myself with the Catholic Church, and the fully developed principles of a moral economic order, with its objectives in full, fair employment, equitable distribution of wealth, stable currencies and exchange rates, affordable and available credit, national sovereignty, investment in scientific development and strict supervision of markets to prevent exploitation and corruption. That was all codified in principle in Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum in the 1880s and reiterated by every Pontiff since.
It is evangelical Prostestanism, and it complete trust in the 'Invisible Hand of the Free Market' as the hand of God, not anwerable to human reason or virtue, that which cares nothing about those ideals, is only interested in the GREED ethos of predatory, unfettered, mindless free market capitalism.. which is proving to be truly satanic in it the world it produces.
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I can't in all fairness excuse the Catholics despite their stated policys regarding social justice. They remain a singular failure accross the board in most aspects of social reform. One-hundred-thirty years since Leos pontifications and nothing changed, we are reminded that paper bags hold no water. No I'm sorry once I sided with the religious, they consistantly failed to produce the good works and continued to hawk their book which makes a thin lifeless soup. Christians are all the same, when it comes right down to it they'll rape pillage and burn with the worst of humanity, they always have and they always will, it's the power affliction, once you have it you're working from a perspective of exceptionalism, and that won't float in the coming clean practical world. Religion will be consigned to the compost pile of history along with capital and they can molder into a nice natural soil building nutriant, their rhetoric finally realized.
I am with the Beav on this one.
Forget Communism, Capitalism, Fascism, Socialism...whatever. These are constructs created for wandering minds.
The real power and control flows from the worlds monetary systems which follow a basic model NO MATTER WHAT THE POLITICS OF THE COUNTRY IN QUESTION. Control a countries monetary system and the countries politics are irrelevant.
Politicians can do nothing except create laws and start wars, politics and politicians are tools of the money trust.
The monopoly men really do finance both sides of a war, they really do create "business cycles" for profit and they really don't care about you or your family, international borders or concepts like sovereignty.
If you find this strange I suggest your research start with the creation of the Rothschild banking dynasty, its rise to power during the Napoleonic wars and follow it to its present day incarnations.
There is a battle to control your mind and the money changers have managed to erase themselves from the history books for the last 3 generations or so. Now THAT is power my little friends!
Forget Communism, Capitalism, Fascism, Socialism...whatever. These are constructs created for wandering minds.
The real power and control flows from the worlds monetary systems which follow a basic model NO MATTER WHAT THE POLITICS OF THE COUNTRY IN QUESTION. Control a countries monetary system and the countries politics are irrelevant.
Politicians can do nothing except create laws and start wars, politics and politicians are tools of the money trust.
The monopoly men really do finance both sides of a war, they really do create "business cycles" for profit and they really don't care about you or your family, international borders or concepts like sovereignty.
If you find this strange I suggest your research start with the creation of the Rothschild banking dynasty, its rise to power during the Napoleonic wars and follow it to its present day incarnations.
There is a battle to control your mind and the money changers have managed to erase themselves from the history books for the last 3 generations or so. Now THAT is power my little friends!
Responding to the original post, why do we always end up discussing capitalism and communism (national socialism) as being the only options? Both lead to centralized management and centralized management is the real culprit in this thing.
My bet is that reform will take place (Lord willing), but it may be decentralized commonwealth using cash circulation methods that will be familiar to certain Canadians as principles of Social Credit. Decentralized decision making to allow economic transition through innovation coupled with a redeployment of manufacturing through the development of manufacturing units using franchisement of various sorts as the deployment vehicle, creating a collaborative and resilient small business base.
Work in Progress financing (which will be the stickler) will be achieved with efficiency by employing a flow through discount process which will time financial settlement with the timing of production. New financial investment vehicles will emerge under the general term "Production backed investments" where local investors can experience the effect of their investment. The negative effect for the nation will be an emergence of the have nots, who will be the first to embrace this paradigm, as a new decentralized power base.
Fedralism may be redefined, but redefined from within, not without.
A kind of Thomas Jefferson meets WAC Bennett.
It just depends on how the election goes down there.
My bet is that reform will take place (Lord willing), but it may be decentralized commonwealth using cash circulation methods that will be familiar to certain Canadians as principles of Social Credit. Decentralized decision making to allow economic transition through innovation coupled with a redeployment of manufacturing through the development of manufacturing units using franchisement of various sorts as the deployment vehicle, creating a collaborative and resilient small business base.
Work in Progress financing (which will be the stickler) will be achieved with efficiency by employing a flow through discount process which will time financial settlement with the timing of production. New financial investment vehicles will emerge under the general term "Production backed investments" where local investors can experience the effect of their investment. The negative effect for the nation will be an emergence of the have nots, who will be the first to embrace this paradigm, as a new decentralized power base.
Fedralism may be redefined, but redefined from within, not without.
A kind of Thomas Jefferson meets WAC Bennett.
It just depends on how the election goes down there.
Any one who understands economics knows the difference between communism and a true democratic economy that strictly supervises markets, credit, currency, natural resources and natural monopolies (which exist only in utilities, transportation and communications infrastructure, and banking) in the national interest. It is only the latter that should be nationalized in the public interest.
I agree wholeheartedly since it was the lack of regulation and oversight along with greed that has resulted in the current situation.
However, I do cringe at people who feel "spreading the wealth" as the answer to everything. Why on earth would I get myself educated and work hard for what I have only to share MORE. I pay my taxes, invest in my community as much as I can afford to (charities etc.)- I'll be damned if I am going to share more because someone else makes other choices. In that, I agree with Glenn Beck for sure!!
JMO
I agree wholeheartedly since it was the lack of regulation and oversight along with greed that has resulted in the current situation.
However, I do cringe at people who feel "spreading the wealth" as the answer to everything. Why on earth would I get myself educated and work hard for what I have only to share MORE. I pay my taxes, invest in my community as much as I can afford to (charities etc.)- I'll be damned if I am going to share more because someone else makes other choices. In that, I agree with Glenn Beck for sure!!
JMO