Iraq War Surge Reducing Overall Violence Despite Bombs

[s243a]

"After weeks of negotiations with local community leaders, more than 1,000 US and Iraqi soldiers hit the streets of Sadr City on Sunday to further advance the new joint security plan for Baghdad. The plan seems to be reducing the level of overall violence in the capital and gaining the trust of local residents, despite the continuing horror of car bombings, the most recent of which killed 26 people in Baghdad’s literary district on Monday."
http://www.bayoubuzz.com/News/World...cing_Overall_Violence_Despite_Bombs__3004.asp

 

[darkbeaver]

Hit the streets, what juvenile language. at least the author didn't use stand up at the plate or the ever lame level playing field or the retarted thinking outside the box or-------------------:smile:

 

[s243a]

Hit the streets, what juvenile language. at least the author didn't use stand up at the plate or the ever lame level playing field or the retarted thinking outside the box or-------------------:smile:

You probably want to see America fail in Iraq because furthering your ideology is probably more important to you then the freedom of the Iraqi's.

 

[darkbeaver]

You probably want to see America fail in Iraq because furthering your ideology is probably more important to you then the freedom of the Iraqi's.

Read the papers it's a broken occupation. So you think America is freeing Iraqis, you're one of the last six people on the planet to believe that you know.:smile:

 

[s243a]

Read the papers it's a broken occupation. So you think America is freeing Iraqis, you're one of the last six people on the planet to believe that you know.:smile:

If I believed what the papers said I would have thought it was a good idea to go into Iraq. I did not support the US going into Iraq but that doesn’t mean I think it is a bad thing to get rid of Sadam Hussein and bring freedom to Iraq. The media are like sheep. First one person says something, then more people start saying it, then all of the media start saying it. Why is the media right now but wrong before?

Sure if there is no sign of victory then the US should get out of Iraq but it would seem a shame to give up if they were on the verge of success. Some people think the world hates America because they medal in too much. However, if America could be counted on when times got tough then they would be heros. There has been a drastic change in strategy in Iraq and the decision to leave should be based on how well this new strategy works not on how failed the old strategy was.
http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009715

Maybe you are right that big business controls the US. Maybe Iraq was just a tool to slip by the public large tax cuts for the rich. Now that the tax cuts are in place Iraq has served its purpose and it is time to shift power to the defetocrats.

 

[darkbeaver]

If I believed what the papers said I would have thought it was a good idea to go into Iraq. I did not support the US going into Iraq but that doesn’t mean I think it is a bad thing to get rid of Sadam Hussein and bring freedom to Iraq. The media are like sheep. One person says something then more people start saying then all of the media start saying it. Why is the media right now but wrong before?

Sure if there is no sign of victory get out of Iraq but it would seem a shame to give up if they were on the verge of success. Some people think the world hates America because they medal in too much but if they could be counted on when times got tough then they would be heros. There has been a drastic change in strategy on Iraq the decision to leave should be based on how well this new strategy works not on how failed the old strategy was.
http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009715


Maybe you are right that big business controls the US. Maybe Iraq was just a tool to slip by the public large tax cuts for the rich. Now that the tax cuts are in place Iraq has served its purpose and it is time to shift power to the defetocrats.

The defectocrats will obey big money just like the repulsicans Iraq will never be free while there's oil there.

 

[s243a]

The defectocrats will obey big money just like the repulsicans Iraq will never be free while there's oil there.

Foreign capital in a stable country helps to create jobs build capital and creates royalties for government. The real theft in the middle east is the kings. They take large amounts of money from their people to build extravagant palaces then go on to blame all the ills on America. If anything is keeping Iraq from being free it is the kings need to create a foreign devil to blame all of their problems on.

 

[gopher]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Published on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 by the Boston Globe [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]'Surge' Doomed to Final Failure [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by H.D.S. Greenway [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] WHAT THE president and proponents of the "surge" in Iraq have underestimated is the loathing Iraqis have of foreign troops bursting into their houses, shoot-to-kill checkpoints, and the humiliation occupation brings. Foreign troops legitimize insurgency.
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OPPRESSORS
An Iraqi holds his mother after she suffered a panic attack following the questioning and near-detainment of her son by US Army soldiers from the 5-20 Infantry Division during the launch of Operation Arrowhead Strike Six in the Shaab neighborhood of northern Baghdad, 06 February 2007. (AFP/David Furst)
[/FONT] [/FONT] A photograph by Agence France-Presse reminded me why the surge is unlikely to achieve anything more than temporary success, and is doomed to ultimate failure.
The photograph shows four American soldiers, dressed in full, intimidating battle gear, around the periphery of a Baghdad living room. In the center, on the carpeted floor, lies a collapsed woman in a traditional black dress.
A man, identified as her son, is holding her in his arms. His feet are bare, as if he were caught by surprise. But what arrests the eye is the look of horror and terror on his face as he looks up at an armed, gesticulating soldier. Another soldier has taken the liberty of making himself at home on the sofa. The caption tells us only that the mother has fainted when her son was "questioned."
The Washington Post's Joshua Partlow recently wrote about how American soldiers tried to be friendly and kind. "During their six-hour patrol they handed out Iraqi newspapers and packets of gum . . . But machine gun-toting Americans rooting through bedrooms, inspecting weapons, and demanding identification cards clearly unsettle some residents."
They do more harm than unsettle. One US soldier told Partlow: "I was here the last time, in the beginning. Now that's totally changed. They don't even respect us anymore. They spit at us, they throw rocks at us. It wasn't like that before."
When the president and surge proponents talk about restoring law and order to Baghdad, they underestimate the fact that it is the very presence of American soldiers themselves who are sparking the resistance, and thus the chaotic conditions in which criminals can operate, and militias appear to be the population's only salvation. Americans may try to do their jobs humanely, but the nature of their business is coercive, brutal, and ultimately counterproductive.
But aren't the American soldiers there to stop sectarian violence -- to stop Iraqis from killing each other? Colonial powers, when they take over a foreign land, can keep the remaining power structure, as the British did in Iraq by ruling though the Sunnis, or they can upset the existing order and empower the previously down trodden, as the Americans did with the Shia. In America's case, the United States now doesn't like what it wished for, and has decided to fight both the Sunni insurgents and the Shia militias, inserting itself into a civil war.
In the end, however, both the Shia and Sunnis will oppose us because they don't want foreign soldiers in their land. As the occupation enters its fifth year, the Iraqis on America's side, or working for Americans, are seen increasingly as collaborators.
The longer American troops stay the longer they will be seen as oppressors, and because they have to do their job, the more pictures we will see of cowering, frightened, and humiliated Iraqis. The British have domestic reasons for beginning their pull-down, but they also realize that they are now more part of the problem than the solution. The coalition of the willing is becoming increasingly unwilling as it sees that foreign troops just aren't the answer.
To say American soldiers are creating stability in the cause of Iraqi national reconciliation doesn't wash. All the Iraqi political leaders live near or in the Green Zone, and they could cut their deals in perfect security anytime they wanted. The point is they want power not reconciliation.
And so conquering foreign soldiers will be resisted in Iraq, as they have always been everywhere down the centuries. In early April 1775, the British governor of Boston sent John Howe out to gather intelligence in that hotbed of insurgency now called the western suburbs, but then the Anbar province of its time. Howe met an old man cleaning his rifle who looked too old to hunt game.
The old man said he expected foreign soldiers -- "a flock of redcoats" -- would be arriving soon, and he thought they would make good targets. Arrive they did, and with them the American revolution that in many states degenerated into civil war. The British soldiers were mostly of the same race and religion as the people they fought, but they were by then foreigners, and eight years later they were gone.
H.D.S. Greenway's column appears regularly in the Globe.



Bush's criminal war has been lost. With over 2 million refugees escaping from Iraq, there is no chance that the "surge" will succeed. None whatsoever.










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[EagleSmack]

You probably want to see America fail in Iraq because furthering your ideology is probably more important to you then the freedom of the Iraqi's.

BINGO. Having the US fail in Iraq is much more important to him than the freedom of Iraq.

 

[darkbeaver]

BINGO. Having the US fail in Iraq is much more important to him than the freedom of Iraq.

So you're a fan of freedom are you, maybe you'll be similarly freed someday.:smile:

 

[mabudon]

Aww go easy Beav, as I read somewheres else on the internets, the US has been so active exporting democracy and freedom that their domestic supply is all but gone!!

 

[darkbeaver]

Aww go easy Beav, as I read somewheres else on the internets, the US has been so active exporting democracy and freedom that their domestic supply is all but gone!!

Ain't it the truth Mab but they'll never believe that till thier stareing out from behind the razorwire of a Haliburton prison camp.:smile:

 

[MikeyDB]

Has anyone heard the rumor....

The United States of America has enormous stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction...the government of the United States has declared anyone not supporting the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan as traitors and "anti-American"....

Er ummmm wait a second....

Why is this soooooo familiar?

 

[gopher]

the government of the United States has declared anyone not supporting the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan as traitors and "anti-American"....

Yup, 77 % of the USA population opposes the war and are, therefore, "traitors". Sick thinking but that's right wingers for ya!

 

[EagleSmack]

So you're a fan of freedom are you, maybe you'll be similarly freed someday.:smile:

I am free to do whatever I want here in the good ol' USA. Then again I am not a terrorist. Just because you are jealous doesn't mean we aren't free. Don't be a hater DB.

Why are millions of people trying to get to the US every year... to be oppressed? See how silly your statement is?

 

[darkbeaver]

I am free to do whatever I want here in the good ol' USA. Then again I am not a terrorist. Just because you are jealous doesn't mean we aren't free. Don't be a hater DB.

Why are millions of people trying to get to the US every year... to be oppressed? See how silly your statement is?

Millions of people are trying to get to the US to avoid it's bombs in thier homelands. Hey freeman,
you stole that freedom from the rest of the planet. The rest of the planet considers you a terrorist, because you think you're free means nothing you also think you're living in a democracy and your country is the best in the world, you are free to choke on a cheezeburger anytime you want.:lol: You should also check out the number of Americans fleeing the States everyday for anyplace they can get to.

 

[darkbeaver]

the government of the United States has declared anyone not supporting the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan as traitors and "anti-American"....

Yup, 77 % of the USA population opposes the war and are, therefore, "traitors". Sick thinking but that's right wingers for ya!

Christ Gopher you got thinking and rightwingers in the same sentence. Is that possible or just science fiction?:smile:

 

[tamarin]

When was Gopher beatified? Shame on your language, DB! Leftwingers can be so mindlessly vulgar.

 

[darkbeaver]

the government of the United States has declared anyone not supporting the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan as traitors and "anti-American"....

Yup, 77 % of the USA population opposes the war and are, therefore, "traitors". Sick thinking but that's right wingers for ya!

Christ Gopher you got thinking and rightwingers in the same sentence. Is that possible or just science fiction?:smile:

 

[gopher]

Oops! First mistake I EVER made in my life!

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!