No I am not an unwitted fool. I do realize the geo political implications of another country violating the NPT. I do realize that this takes the Mid East to a higher level of confrontation. With mushroom clouds.
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No I am not an unwitted fool. I do realize the geo political implications of another country violating the NPT. I do realize that this takes the Mid East to a higher level of confrontation. With mushroom clouds.
Like I said, all that has been presented so far is speculation and innuendo. Where is the PROOF? There is none. All of this propaganda is BS. The geo political implications are that the west is pissed at Iran because they refuse to kiss our ass. Nothing more, nothing less. Any mushroom clouds over the middle east will not come from Iran but from the west or Israel. I think you are blinded by your fear, which is exactly what the propaganda is designed to do.
Two things,
one,
originally the report was Iran would close the Strait if there was a ban on her being able to freely sell her oil yet a report I listened to last night said the threat was the other way around (the story used the term 'red line' several times) and that Iran was threatening to close the Strait and if they did then the ban on oil sales would take place. Was that one report that was in error or was that the start of a spin campaign to change the story since a ban doesn't look like it is going to happen as originally planned.
two,
with the incoming ruined Russian spacecraft into a possible landing in the Indian Ocean what would happen if it hit a 'prime target' like a Carrier or it landed north of there and in Iran on a nuclear power-plant site of an Israeli power-plant (setting off the stash) how would the world react to the truth (accident) of is this an upcoming false-flag in which goes wrong. ie a carrier is to be sacrificed and blamed on Iran who cannot prove she didn't do it unless Russia backed the claim up.
Anyway the plan doesn't go right as the defenses are supposed to be 'on-stanby' but the incoming space junk (if there is any) is taken for an attack by Iran and a full scale counter attack is started via a program involving all the ships in the group with Iran being the 'active hostile' so everything gets launched and cannot be recalled. What would happen then?
an a half,
One last possibility, there is no space junk coming down and Iran will lose a plant due to a 'chance strike' and the radiation spread will have the citizens demanding the other one be closed. The raw oil will then be taken away for further proce$$ing at a Russian facility and the citizens of Iran left in perpetual squalor.
one,
originally the report was Iran would close the Strait if there was a ban on her being able to freely sell her oil yet a report I listened to last night said the threat was the other way around (the story used the term 'red line' several times) and that Iran was threatening to close the Strait and if they did then the ban on oil sales would take place. Was that one report that was in error or was that the start of a spin campaign to change the story since a ban doesn't look like it is going to happen as originally planned.
two,
with the incoming ruined Russian spacecraft into a possible landing in the Indian Ocean what would happen if it hit a 'prime target' like a Carrier or it landed north of there and in Iran on a nuclear power-plant site of an Israeli power-plant (setting off the stash) how would the world react to the truth (accident) of is this an upcoming false-flag in which goes wrong. ie a carrier is to be sacrificed and blamed on Iran who cannot prove she didn't do it unless Russia backed the claim up.
Anyway the plan doesn't go right as the defenses are supposed to be 'on-stanby' but the incoming space junk (if there is any) is taken for an attack by Iran and a full scale counter attack is started via a program involving all the ships in the group with Iran being the 'active hostile' so everything gets launched and cannot be recalled. What would happen then?
an a half,
One last possibility, there is no space junk coming down and Iran will lose a plant due to a 'chance strike' and the radiation spread will have the citizens demanding the other one be closed. The raw oil will then be taken away for further proce$$ing at a Russian facility and the citizens of Iran left in perpetual squalor.
Cliffy - So WW2 was not justified?
Was it a conspiracy
Was it a Jewish conspiracy?
Was it a US conspiracy?
Was it just because Hitler received bad press?
Spade - I never stated it did. I used what was offered. Going thru the list some do jump out at you?
Who supplied Hitler during his build up of armaments? Who knew that he was building his war machine? Who knew what his intentians were? Who and what set the stage for Hitler to take power in Germany?
The world was in a recession and we need a good war to pull us out. Germany was set up to take the fall. Britain planned that war years before it started. The Yanks profited from both sides, the American people did not want any part of it but the government did but it wasn't until Pearl Harbour, which was very convenient, that popular opinion was swayed to allow the government to declare war. A little too convenient. Only oil refineries that were not co-owned by British and American companies were bombed. How convenient!
I could go on, but, I don't think Hitler was the only demon responsible for WWII. I think the west is just as responsible. There is no way that Hitler could have invaded NA and there was never a threat of it.
Option 3 sounds OK.
"One last possibility, there is no space junk coming down and Iran will lose a plant due to a 'chance strike' and the radiation spread will have the citizens demanding the other one be closed. The raw oil will then be taken away for further proce$$ing at a Russian facility and the citizens of Iran left in perpetual squalor." with this exception the Iran's raw oil will be used to rebuild Iran after the Ayatollah Kooks and Revolutionary Guard are thrown out. The current government did not win the last election, it was fixed.
Iran protests: How the election was fixed - mirror.co.uk
So by not declaring War on Germany what would be the reprcussions for Europe - Western - Eastern been.
I also could go on, but I am interested in hearing your opinion of what would happen when Germany ruled Western Europe and the UK.
Why was he even allowed to build his war machine? The whole thing could have been prevented during the thirties. The US was too busy making money to be concerned about the repercussions of feeding Hitler equipment and materials. If the treaty that ended WWI had not strapped Germany into abject poverty, Hitler would not have come to power in the first place. Hitler would not have invaded anybody. The allies stood by a watched it all come to a head because they needed that war.
What oil refinaries in contentinal Europe were not destroyed?
I won't debate rumors because they cannot be proven. Just that your last statment is wrong, he had plans of doing it. Whether it would have worked is questionable.
Ya, I have plans to go to Turkey one day too, but the likely hood that I could ever afford to is highly unlikely.
Hitler could not have mustered the manpower or other resources to cross the Atlantic to even start an invasion and there would have been no way to sustain control. He was too full of himself and his invasion of Russia proved that he had become mentally unbalanced. It killed any hope of world domination. Hitler was freakin' fruit loop from the start and the Allies were counting on his instability, knowing full well that he was not the threat they were telling us he was.
The American Civil War and the World War 2 were not about emancipation or the Shoah. That latter was about containment (invasion of Poland) and the former about preservation of the Union. Both wars were beginnings for the Blacks and the Jews. But at horrific cost.
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I'm sorry that you didn't like or understand my answer. Should I go to the corner now or later?
No it is not that I did not like the answer. I asked a question and you failed to answer.Western and Eastern Europe under the Nazi's what would have been the repercussions.
Very simple question if the US - Canada had stayed out of the war. Britain would have sued for peace or been invaded.
Can you answer that and stay on that very topic without going off with the wind?
And I am saying, if the allies had not been complicit with Hitler's build of of his war machine, there would not have been a war in the first place. From what I can see, the allies wanted a war, they go a war and the outcome was pre-ordained. Things went according to plan and there really was no danger. We were involved because we were hood winked into believing the whole thing was a surprise. You may think otherwise but that does not negate what I said. My data base is obviously different from yours and my point of view is too. That only makes me wrong in the eyes of those who agree with you, but believe me, I am not the only one who see things this way.
Somebody said "Never again" guess they meant it. Wouldn't want it to happen again either.
The Germans would have deported the Jews to Madagascar just like they proposed to the Rothschild bankers when they were first approached, they refused and Britain agreed to the giving of Palestine to the Jews, that is why they didn't lose either war.
BBC News - China angry at US sanctions on oil firm Zhuhai Zhenrong
China has criticised sanctions imposed by the US on a Chinese firm for selling refined petroleum products to Iran.
China's foreign ministry said imposing unilateral sanctions on Zhuhai Zhenrong based on US law was "unreasonable".
The US said on Thursday Zhuhai Zhenrong was one of three international firms to be punished for dealing with Iran.
It comes as Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao visits Arab oil-producing nations amid fears of major sanctions-related disruption to Iranian oil exports.
Mr Wen visited Saudi Arabia - China's biggest source of imported oil - on Saturday.
China has criticised sanctions imposed by the US on a Chinese firm for selling refined petroleum products to Iran.
China's foreign ministry said imposing unilateral sanctions on Zhuhai Zhenrong based on US law was "unreasonable".
The US said on Thursday Zhuhai Zhenrong was one of three international firms to be punished for dealing with Iran.
It comes as Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao visits Arab oil-producing nations amid fears of major sanctions-related disruption to Iranian oil exports.
Mr Wen visited Saudi Arabia - China's biggest source of imported oil - on Saturday.