Iran - Sanctions - Blockades - War - Treaties - to name a few possibilities

EagleSmack

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Nonsense! The Japanese tried to surrender 5 or 6 times before the A-bombs were dropped. Even the Japanese said that
it was the B-29 bombing raids with conventional bombs and incendaries that had the greatest impact.

Japan tried to end hostilities under their terms.

Nonsense to you saying it was the conventional bombing.

The bomb is dropped on Nagasaki and within days Japan surrenders Unconditionally in line with the Potsdam Conference. Facts are on my side. Emotion is on yours. Facts win every time.

From Emperor Hirohito HIMSELF in his surrender speech...

An exerpt...

"Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb, the power of which to do damage is, indeed, incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives. Should we continue to fight, it would not only result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization.

Such being the case, how are we to save the millions of our subjects, nor to atone ourselves before the hallowed spirits of our imperial ancestors? This is the reason why we have ordered the acceptance of the provisions of the joint declaration of the powers."

END GAME
 

Just the Facts

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- Ahmadenijad was misquoted by jewmedia, he said "wipe Zionism off the map" (an ugly political regime) he is mistranslated (purposefully) as "wipe Israel off the map." CNN agrees with this refutation. Refuting this lie is important since it supposedly forms the basis of the so called "existential threat." Such hogwash.

lol so the official Iranian News Agency is Jewmedia. Who knew. :)
 

CDNBear

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lol so the official Iranian News Agency is Jewmedia. Who knew. :)
Not to mention his own website, and of course most major daily's in Tehran.

But you know, we''ll trust the interpretations of western prof's and jewmedia outlets that bent over backwards trying to convince the west he didn't threaten Israel, lol.
 

Goober

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Not to mention his own website, and of course most major daily's in Tehran.

But you know, we''ll trust the interpretations of western prof's and jewmedia outlets that bent over backwards trying to convince the west he didn't threaten Israel, lol.

Cyber War: In his secret war against Iran, Obama sends in the geeks | Full Comment | National Post

If you’re looking to understand what the U.S. and Israel are really doing to shut down the Iranian nuclear program, there’s no better place to start than a fascinating feature printed in Friday’s New York Times. It tells the story of “Olympic Games”, a U.S.-led cyber assault on the Iranian nuclear program. Hints of this information have come out before, bits and pieces here and there, but the Times feature pulls it all together and tells the story of a major, and unexpected, U.S.-Israeli victory against Iran.

It confirms what many had long suspected, that the Stuxnet computer virus, first discovered in 2010, was indeed the work of a government. Two of them, actually — although Stuxnet was part of the U.S.’s Olympic Games operation, it involved Israeli cyberwarriors as well. This was for two reasons — first, to draw on the expertise of an elite Israel military team with advanced computer skills, but as importantly, to show the Israelis that the U.S. was committed to real action against Iran. It was believed, both by president George W. Bush (who oversaw the start of the program) and later by president Obama, that without the Israelis knowing that the U.S. was involved in actions against Iran, that Israel would go ahead and launch an air strike.

As is now known, Stuxnut eventually wreaked with the Iranian nuclear fuel processing facility at Natanz. The virus took control over delicate machinery at the plant, and more importantly, also took control over the computers that monitored this equipment. Iranian engineers in the plant, staring at their computer screens, were being presented with information saying that everything was fantastic. Meanwhile, the highly complex centrifuges needed to process nuclear fuel were destroying themselves by running too fast, too slowly — whatever. The method of attack kept changing. As the U.S. and Israelis had hoped, the Iranians were completely fooled and concluded that they were suffering from some combination of faulty machinery and incompetent personnel. They tore their own plant apart investigating what was wrong and fired innocent engineers for their seeming incompetence. And every few weeks, the virus would strike again.

The story told in the Times piece would only be diminished by abbreviating it further here, everyone with an interest in the subject should read it in its entirety. But what stands out amid the technical details, the almost comical confusion of the Iranians and the close, but tense, relationship between the Obama administration and the Israelis is how risky all of this was. President Obama, who received regular updates and continually approved more and more aggressive cyberattacks, was apparently well aware that he was opening up a new frontier of military operations. It was considered, according to some interviewed by the Times, tantamount to the decision made by Harry Truman to drop the atom bomb on Japan. Once a cyberweapon was used, the genie would be out of the bottle. Sooner or later, the president knew, one would be used on America.

Still, it was the best available option. President Bush authorized the plan in 2006, over the advice of many of his advisors to hit Iran with a military strike, because he knew that his credibility on the issue of any other nation’s weapons of mass destruction program had been destroyed by the war in Iraq. Obama continued it because it was low-profile, but high reward, and was an effective way of delaying the need to perhaps eventually launch a for-real war, a conflict was in no shape to sustain. Computer viruses won’t stop Iran from building the bomb or bring down the regime, but it does give the U.S. and upper hand while it pursues other options, including the tougher sanctions that the UN eventually agreed to. That made the cyber attacks worth the admitted risk.