Well I deal in the realm of facts mate, and no I don't like the guy, but when people make factually inaccurate statements about him or anyone else I'll call them on it.
Iran outside and inside
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Well explain then what the motivation would be for an attack on Iran's nuclear facilties absent Israel.
Iran is still an enemy nation of America which supports forces engaged in active combat with the USA. Nuclear capability would allow nuclear strikes against US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. (Iraq far more than Afghanistan)
Secondly, the way alliances work is that a danger to one is a danger to all. America doesn't have any actual care (and maybe some secret glee) if someone launched an airstrike on Paris, but you can bet they would flatten anyone who tried or threatened too.
Secondly, the way alliances work is that a danger to one is a danger to all. America doesn't have any actual care (and maybe some secret glee) if someone launched an airstrike on Paris, but you can bet they would flatten anyone who tried or threatened too.
Hey Tim, it is known that Iran’s extreme dark right wants one day to be the superpower of the Middle East, in order for that to happen Iran will have to become equipped with NUCLEAR ARSENAL SUPERIORITY IN ORDER FOR ALL THE ARAB NATIONS TO STAND STILL AND PAY ATTENTION. Now, you may argue on why Israel is allowed to the military might they have, and the answer is simple, Israel has been subjected to hate and discrimination by most Muslim countries their backs face the sea and they fear that if they let their guard down they could be flashed into the sea as it has been suggested by many extremists. So, what is the solution here? Of course not people like Ahmadinejand.
Sorry, I must have misread what you posted. I interpreted it as saying that the Israelis would dictate to the yanks whether to attack. The yanks have no interest, desire, motivation etc to attack Iran, whether Israel attacks or not.
Well I live here and I can tell you the reality as I see it. We don't want another empire, we've had many empires and we know that they lead to nothing but destruction in the end.
We don't want to dominate the Middle East, we're doing fine the way we are. We would like a leadership role in the region that's equal to our geopolitical size and weight, but that's it.
We do NOT want nuclear weapons, and we've been at the forefront of trying to create a nuclear free Middle East. We, along with the Egyptians, have pushed for this for a long time. Because when there's no nuclear weapons, our sheer size gives us a conventional advantage over any adversary. When nuclear weapons are brought to the mix small countries reach strategic parity with bigger ones.
Regarding Israel, we have nothing against Israel. Before 1979 Israels closest friend in the region was Iran, and after 1979 we still cooperated behind the scenes. But if the Israelis want to attack us or create a US war against us, we'll attack them back, as anyone would. We have the largest Jewish community outside of Israel in the region, many Israelis come from Iran, and there's no animosity between the two people.
Trust me, I'm on the left politically, and I have fought against the right in my country for years. The last person I'd defend is Ahmadinejad. But if people are going to make false statements about him in order to create a conducive atmosphere for a war against Iran I'll rally behind my leader and call people on their falsehood, even if I hate him (which I do).
I do respect your explanation and I do hope that peace will prevail in your region.
God bless.
You're kidding right? The US had no reason to go into Iraq except for their dreams of empire. It is obvious that certain US political and corporate elite want war with Iran very much. The only thing holding them back from another false flag operation and invading is Russia, China and Obama.
Hi, Tim;
I think they are willing! Listen to Condi Rice:
I don't understand why Iran is so bluntly teasing USrael! It dances on their noses, saying, 'come get me, if you can!'
The Americans are pushing hard to get permission to build an antiballistic missile shield in Eastern Europe.
Interesting to watch this saber rattling! It looks like Russia and Iran will be allies, although not stated openly, in case of an attack from USrael. That possibility might be the actual deterrent for an attack on Iran.
What do you think, Tim?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/wo...hp&oref=slogin
Well regarding the missile defense system, I think some context would be helpful.
Gorbachev in 1991 allowed the newly reunified Germany to become a part of NATO under the condition that Bush Sr. promise not to expand NATO any further east. Germany's a country that's attacked Russia twice in the past century. Bush agreed, but just a few years later Clinton expanded NATO further to the East. Then you look at all the post Cold War agreements that were signed with Russia. For example the reduction of nuclear arms, which is an obligation under the NPT, or the closing down of bases by both sides. Russia has closed down most of its military bases, while the US that had the same obligation expanded those bases into Russia neighborhood.
So within that context, would you not be suspicious if you were Russia? Is it not an insult to the Russian peoples intelligence to tell them that the Eastern Europeans need a missile defense shield because WE of all people will try to bomb them?
Now regarding the missile tests, it's all routine military exercises, but it's also a part of a campaign of deterrence. Imagine how paranoid we are. We have the US occupying 2 of our neighbors. The US has bases in every Middle Eastern country except ours, Syria, and Lebanon. We have Azerbaijan who is making threats over Caspian Sea territory. We're surrounded by a sea of Arabs who hate us. The UAE is making a fuss about 3 islands they claim is theirs that's currently under our control. Israel is routinely making threats against us.
So yes, we feel threatened. I don't see how anyone here is saying "come and get me if you can", but the media over there does tend to skew things, as it does here in a different direction. Israel did a military exercise two weeks ago with its jets going to Spain and back, the same distance it is to go to Tehran. I doubt anyone in the West heard anything about it, but we sure did. And then when we do some military exercise, it's somehow an act of war or something.
Gorbachev in 1991 allowed the newly reunified Germany to become a part of NATO under the condition that Bush Sr. promise not to expand NATO any further east. Germany's a country that's attacked Russia twice in the past century. Bush agreed, but just a few years later Clinton expanded NATO further to the East. Then you look at all the post Cold War agreements that were signed with Russia. For example the reduction of nuclear arms, which is an obligation under the NPT, or the closing down of bases by both sides. Russia has closed down most of its military bases, while the US that had the same obligation expanded those bases into Russia neighborhood.
So within that context, would you not be suspicious if you were Russia? Is it not an insult to the Russian peoples intelligence to tell them that the Eastern Europeans need a missile defense shield because WE of all people will try to bomb them?
Now regarding the missile tests, it's all routine military exercises, but it's also a part of a campaign of deterrence. Imagine how paranoid we are. We have the US occupying 2 of our neighbors. The US has bases in every Middle Eastern country except ours, Syria, and Lebanon. We have Azerbaijan who is making threats over Caspian Sea territory. We're surrounded by a sea of Arabs who hate us. The UAE is making a fuss about 3 islands they claim is theirs that's currently under our control. Israel is routinely making threats against us.
So yes, we feel threatened. I don't see how anyone here is saying "come and get me if you can", but the media over there does tend to skew things, as it does here in a different direction. Israel did a military exercise two weeks ago with its jets going to Spain and back, the same distance it is to go to Tehran. I doubt anyone in the West heard anything about it, but we sure did. And then when we do some military exercise, it's somehow an act of war or something.
TT ... it is refreshing to hear from an inside perspective. Even in Canada, we get a lot of CNN spin as the war machinery winds the public into an agreement frenzy. Government is well suited to the task being the creatures of confidence they are. Really, it's a sad thing to have a rubber band-powered public.
The possible timing of any Israeli attack on Iran remains uncertain. Is the wording Sounds like Israel is the aggressor. For the last 3 years Israel has been telling the world that it will attack Iran. The truth is Israel only attacks stone throwers, women, children, unarmed men and sends missiles and bombs. The Jews living in the USA are pushing for the American goy to do the dying. Israel showed us how great they were in Lebanon. Israel could not intercept Iraqi Scuds. Iran needs to aim all at Israel, arm the Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese and factions in Egypt. Iran needs to protect itself from a threat.
Bla bla blablabal,
You must be a graduate of Bull sh!t. You look stupid talking like that.
What crap have you been watching on TV, you're full of movie propaganda, there dosen't seem to be a functioning pair of brain cells in your neo-liberalcon head.:lol: