Iran Before 1979

[Locutus]

Iran Before 1979 - YouTube

 

[Colpy]

There is no doubt that the average Iranian was much, much better off before 1979. Islam rising is an extremely disturbing trend........

But let us not forget SAVAK.

SAVAK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[petros]

 

[eh1eh]

It's like they were part of humanity.
Maybe the CIA should have taken a different path?

 

[TenPenny]

There is no doubt that the average Iranian was much, much better off before 1979. Islam rising is an extremely disturbing trend........

But let us not forget SAVAK.

SAVAK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"According to author Charles Kurzman, SAVAK was never dismantled but rather changed its name and leadership and continued on with the same codes of operation, and a relatively unchanged "staff." "

Indeed, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Cannuck]

The video is obviously a fraud because most Iranians were Muslim before 1979. Muslims just can't possibly be "westernized"....right Colpy?

 

[gore0bsessed]

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Many Iranians remember the Shah's secret police, Savak.
"Under the Shah we could not even think about criticizing the system publicly, because of the Savak," said Iraj Nemati, 60, owner of a carpet shop.
"But wherever you go now, people are criticizing the system, the government's economic policies and so on," he said. "Today Iranians enjoy much more freedom of expression than 30 years ago.
"Iranians turned against the Shah because there was no freedom in the country," he said.

 

[damngrumpy]

Most people say 1979 was before the Islamic take over, well that is not entirely true.
Islam was always part of the equation in terms of modern times. The difference is
the takeover by the Islamic Regime of fundamentalism and with no respect for the
people in modern times. Things were much different before the recent age of
ignorance.
Secondly looking at this return to religious fervor is like looking at the way the Christians
were about five hundred years ago. Now think about this what impact does this have on
us in the west? The social conservative movement in the America wants to force the
hand of Jesus and the end times. In the meantime they want to return the people to a
state of grace before JC comes back and we could see the beginning of oppression in
our societies if we let these nut cases come to power in the halls of government.
In any case the events in Iran should paint a picture of what happens when religion is
allowed to rise above the laws of the land, and that should serve as a sober second
thought. but these days thought is in short supply.

 

[gopher]

Savak terrorists:


SAVAK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


" Brute force was supplemented with the bastinado; sleep deprivation; extensive solitary confinement; glaring searchlights; standing in one place for hours on end; nail extractions; snakes (favored for use with women); electrical shocks with cattle prods, often into the rectum; cigarette burns; sitting on hot grills; acid dripped into nostrils; near-drownings; mock executions; and an electric chair with a large metal mask to muffle screams while amplifying them for the victim. This latter contraption was dubbed the Apollo—an allusion to the American space capsules. Prisoners were also humiliated by being raped, urinated on, and forced to stand naked"

 

[darkbeaver]

"According to author Charles Kurzman, SAVAK was never dismantled but rather changed its name and leadership and continued on with the same codes of operation, and a relatively unchanged "staff." "

Indeed, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

I don't know the idiot Kursman but I do know savack either went to prison, the wall or to America land of free secret police and traitors where they continue to live off the milk and honey of the illustrious west.

In any case the events in Iran should paint a picture of what happens when religion is
allowed to rise above the laws of the land, and that should serve as a sober second
thought. but these days thought is in short supply.

It is impossible that the religion rise above the law since religion is law. Religion has been the land and the culture there for over eight thousand years. Something must be right eh. What is religion anyway? Tradition culture and history, civilization requires all three, guess which side has none of these three absolute necessities of continuity. For that reason alone Iran is the other, the enemy, part of the salvation of mankind. Something the filthy technocrats fear more than anything else, people aware of their history. An alternative empty of their contributions. Humankind does not want to be castrated and homogenized by the banking scum.

 

[55Mercury]

Argo fu<kyerself!

great flick

catch it

 

[#juan]

Does anyone think that Iranians will ever forgive the west(Britain and the U.S.) for installing the Shah
and his bloody secret service. We'll never know how many people disappeared under the Shah's rule.

 

[petros]

Does anyone think that Iranians will ever forgive the west(Britain and the U.S.) for installing the Shah
and his bloody secret service. We'll never know how many people disappeared under the Shah's rule.

Iranians think the world of Americans. That is fact.

 

[gopher]

Does anyone think that Iranians will ever forgive the west(Britain and the U.S.) for installing the Shah
and his bloody secret service. We'll never know how many people disappeared under the Shah's rule.

Can't blame Iranians for condemning the governments of the USA and UK for installing the shah who was their puppet. But it is true that Iranians make a clear distinction between the governments and the peoples of both countries.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Pre-1979 Iran very closely resembled those Arab regimes that have most recently collapsed; namely a society that was tightly controlled from the top down and in which the use of torture, murder, and imprisonment of dissenters was common. True, much of the oil wealth was channelled into national infrastructure thus enriching many Iranians, but no one would deny that the Shah spent excessive amounts of national revenue on himself. The problem with the Iranian Revolution of 1978 was that it was hijacked by religious fanatics who took the revolution in a direction that stifled a good deal of the democratic ideals of the original revolutionaries. Currently the present regime is skating on very thin ice and it will be very interesting to see how much longer it can hang on.

 

[darkbeaver]

Pre-1979 Iran very closely resembled those Arab regimes that have most recently collapsed; namely a society that was tightly controlled from the top down and in which the use of torture, murder, and imprisonment of dissenters was common. True, much of the oil wealth was channelled into national infrastructure thus enriching many Iranians, but no one would deny that the Shah spent excessive amounts of national revenue on himself. The problem with the Iranian Revolution of 1978 was that it was hijacked by religious fanatics who took the revolution in a direction that stifled a good deal of the democratic ideals of the original revolutionaries. Currently the present regime is skating on very thin ice and it will be very interesting to see how much longer it can hang on.

I disagree. We in the west constantly bemoan the loose control from our own elected lids. Perhaps ( a certainty) Irainians have witnessed the type of crap that passes for government in the west. What people in their right minds would emulate such failure. This is not questionable at all at a time when the very concept of a western dominated planet has become a global joke. No, Irainians have a damn fine strong government well able to look after the needs of its citizins. I will bet you that they outlive us by at least a century or two.
.

 

[Cannuck]

I disagree. We in the west constantly bemoan the loose control from our own elected lids. Perhaps ( a certainty) Irainians have witnessed the type of crap that passes for government in the west. What people in their right minds would emulate such failure. This is not questionable at all at a time when the very concept of a western dominated planet has become a global joke. No, Irainians have a damn fine strong government well able to look after the needs of its citizins. I will bet you that they outlive us by at least a century or two.
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Not likely. The internet is making it very difficult for totalitarian regimes.

 

[earth_as_one]

The Shah of Iran was an autocratic despot who lined his pockets with Iranian oil money. By 1976, the Shah had accumulated upward of one billion dollars from oil revenue; his family—including sixty-three princes and princesses—had accumulated between five and twenty billion dollars; and the family foundation controlled approximately three billion dollars. Only one political party legally existed and all Iranians were forced to join and pay dues. SAVAK abducted, tortured and murdered thousands of people opposed the Shah's corrupt, cruel, extravagant and incompetent rule.

 

[Bar Sinister]

I disagree. We in the west constantly bemoan the loose control from our own elected lids. Perhaps ( a certainty) Irainians have witnessed the type of crap that passes for government in the west. What people in their right minds would emulate such failure. This is not questionable at all at a time when the very concept of a western dominated planet has become a global joke. No, Irainians have a damn fine strong government well able to look after the needs of its citizins. I will bet you that they outlive us by at least a century or two..

I'll take that friendly bet. Iran will go the way of Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, and Syria, either peacefully or otherwise.

And aren't you overlooking the huge number of Iranians that have been arrested, imprisoned, and tortured by the current government for nothing more than asking for a more democratic system?