Insurers call on G20 to phase out fossil fuel subsidies by 2020

[mentalfloss]

Renewables already beat fossil fuels.

They have the majority of the market and entrepreneurs are giving oil the snub.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Renewables already beat fossil fuels.

They have the majority of the market and entrepreneurs are giving oil the snub.

Really? I must have missed all the cars and trucks and trains and industrial machines and home heating appliances and power grids and everything else switching from oil & gas over to wind and solar.

I'm really starting to worry about you buttfloss, you actually seem to believe these absurd claims. I mean actually truly believe it all. You should seek help before you get locked up against your will and can't do anything to save yourself.

 

[darkbeaver]

Renewables already beat fossil fuels.

They have the majority of the market and entrepreneurs are giving oil the snub.

Under no circumstance would fossil fuels not be renewable. You do understand that right.

 

[petros]

Unfortunately it's more than subsidized which makes the subsidy even more egregious.

Wind and solar don't get enough, especially in Ontario.

Prove it. Give non tax credit cash subsidy totals.

Renewables already beat fossil fuels.

They have the majority of the market and entrepreneurs are giving oil the snub.

You make Cliffy look sane.

 

[darkbeaver]

This planet is growing tomorrows fossil fuels as we speak. Someday my remains will be consumed in a motorcycle.

 

[pgs]

What's egregious is paying 6X more than the market rate for hydro to whirlygig operators and almost 40X the market rate for hydro to solar power producers, even when neither is producing.
And here's a fun fact for you. You can't produce jack sh*t with the by-products of wind and solar because there are NO by-products of wind and solar. Other than chopped and fried birds.
Going to make surgical gloves from the by-products of wind and solar are you? How about toothbrushes, toothpaste, the tube the toothpaste comes in? How about Vaseline products, or dish soap or band-aids? How about the device you use to whine about the evils of oil that wouldn't exist without oil? Or the internet for that matter? These are all things you can't make with sunshine and unicorn farts. There's actually around 600 everyday products that can't be made by sunshine and unicorn farts and thousands more other products like various housing materials that require oil to manufacture.

Let me put this is very simple terms that even you should be able to comprehend. Oil doesn't just run the economy. It isn't merely a part of the economy, it IS the economy. Look at the US. It's economy is picking up as domestic oil production increases. Ours is falling apart while we chase idiotic green dreams, completely oblivious to the fact that almost all the European countries who went all out on "green" energy have backed right the f*ck down from it. Subsidies have been eliminated in many cases. They are not going to be subsidizing any new "green" energy projects in the near future either.
Meanwhile, the idiot Wynned sock is copying the same basic disastrous plan that the Euros have since bailed on.

But here's the problem. Wynne can play this stupid game because Ontario has significant nuclear and fairly decent hydroelectric capacities. Out of the roughly 14.5 million homes that Ontario provides power to, nuclear and hydroelectric account for over 11 million of those homes. https://www.cns-snc.ca/media/ontarioelectricity/ontarioelectricity.html

We can use Germany as a comparison, a country that relied a fair bit on nuclear power decided they needed to really shoot for green and shut down their coal/lignite fired plants. They had all kinds of green energy projects lined up. Then the Fukushima disaster struck and Germany in a knee-jerk reaction, decided they needed to start programming the shut down of their nuclear plants. As a result, the green energy projects have been shelved and Germany is going full bore on coal and lignite again. They realized that you CANNOT run a modern economy merely on sunshine and unicorn farts.

The reality is, wind and solar farms are utterly pointless in Ontario. Hell, hydro and nuclear alone account for 78% of Ontario's power generation. And since we know there's not 14.5 million homes in Ontario, we can assume quite a bit is being exported, at no profit to Ontario since it's exported at the basic market rate. That means even with shutting down the coal fired plants, Ontario had more than enough capacity to meet its needs while being 81% emissions free, and still have some left to export. The windmills and solar farms did not reduce and still have not reduced Ontario's GHG emissions from power generation by a single molecule of CO2.

Great rant and right on .The kicker is Germany with all their population has less civil servants then the province of Ontario and they still cannot afford it .

Really? I must have missed all the cars and trucks and trains and industrial machines and home heating appliances and power grids and everything else switching from oil & gas over to wind and solar.

I'm really starting to worry about you buttfloss, you actually seem to believe these absurd claims. I mean actually truly believe it all. You should seek help before you get locked up against your will and can't do anything to save yourself.

He goes to and from work on public transit , probably 20 blocks , and wonders why everyone can't do the same .

 

[petros]

Unfortunately it's more than subsidized which makes the subsidy even more egregious.

Wind and solar don't get enough, especially in Ontario.

Prove it. Show cash figures that were handed out.

This planet is growing tomorrows fossil fuels as we speak. Someday my remains will be consumed in a motorcycle.

The environment never stopped producing or storing hydrocarbons.

They are as organic as organic gets.

He goes to and from work on public transit , probably 20 blocks , and wonders why everyone can't do the same .

He drives on 08 Civic. Cast iron block and throttle body EFI with a 3 speed auto.

Antiquated techncno!ogy. His ex Asian trophy wife got everything else.

 

[Jinentonix]

Renewables already beat fossil fuels.

They have the majority of the market and entrepreneurs are giving oil the snub.

Survey SAYS? You're a dumba$$.

Here's a breakdown of the global energy supply from highest to lowest. Coal: 39% Natgas: 22% Hydroelectric: 17% Nuclear: 11% Renewables: 7% Oil: 5%.

So no, renewables have not already beat fossil fuels and they don't have anywhere near close to the majority of the market. As you can see, while oil is getting snubbed as you say, coal is still king when it comes to global power generation. Renewables are still ladies in waiting.
Personally, I'm happy that oil is getting snubbed in the energy market, it's a friggin' waste of the oil when there's so, so much more that can be made and done with it.

If you had any brains, you'd be more concerned with natgas and how much fresh water the industry permanently removes from the system rather than worrying about oil. Because with or without oil and other fossil fuels, the planet is going to gradually warm up until nature decides to switch gears again and start a cooling trend.

The fact anyone thinks we can stop climate change is so naive, it would be adorable if they also weren't so stupid and dangerous.

 

[Bar Sinister]

It's not subsidized.

Canada's oil industry has been subsidized since day one. During the 1950s at the beginning of Canada's oil industry higher priced Alberta oil was shipped to other parts of Canada despite the fact that oil could have been more cheaply purchased elsewhere. In addition, royalties on Alberta oil were kept low to stimulate the industry. And then there were the infrastructure subsidies in the form of government funded roads into oil-producing areas and almost unlimited pipeline access. Subsidies of this sort continued year after year, finally culminating in an agreement to keep royalties in the oil-sands low until the full cost of development had been paid for. Currently subsidies to the oil industry amount to about $1.7 billion at the federal level. And then, of course, there are also provincial subsidies.

The fact anyone thinks we can stop climate change is so naive, it would be adorable if they also weren't so stupid and dangerous.

Of course climate change can be stopped. It is going to happen whether humans help out or not, but humans may not like the way nature adapts to climate change. Disappearing coastlines anyone?

 

[Walter]

Lefties hate facts they only like feelings.

 

[pgs]

Canada's oil industry has been subsidized since day one. During the 1950s at the beginning of Canada's oil industry higher priced Alberta oil was shipped to other parts of Canada despite the fact that oil could have been more cheaply purchased elsewhere. In addition, royalties on Alberta oil were kept low to stimulate the industry. And then there were the infrastructure subsidies in the form of government funded roads into oil-producing areas and almost unlimited pipeline access. Subsidies of this sort continued year after year, finally culminating in an agreement to keep royalties in the oil-sands low until the full cost of development had been paid for. Currently subsidies to the oil industry amount to about $1.7 billion at the federal level. And then, of course, there are also provincial subsidies.



Of course climate change can be stopped. It is going to happen whether humans help out or not, but humans may not like the way nature adapts to climate change. Disappearing coastlines anyone?

Canada's oil industry has been around a lot longer than the 1950's

 

[Walter]

Canada's oil industry has been around a lot longer than the 1950's

Try the 1850's. First oil well in NA was drilled near Sarnia, ON in 1858.

 

[EagleSmack]

You shouldn't be so salty you can't actually engage in meaningful conversation.

Prime example of your conversion to intolerance and being a full time troll.

Of course climate change can be stopped. It is going to happen whether humans help out or not, but humans may not like the way nature adapts to climate change. Disappearing coastlines anyone?

Dude... really?

 

[mentalfloss]

Disappearing coastlines is definitely a telltale sign.

 

[petros]

Canada's oil industry has been subsidized since day one.

Prove it. Let's see the subsidies for Ohhhh the last 10 years. Dig em up and post them.

Disappearing coastlines is definitely a telltale sign.

Where?

Canada's oil industry has been subsidized since day one. During the 1950s at the beginning of Canada's oil industry higher priced Alberta oil was shipped to other parts of Canada despite the fact that oil could have been more cheaply purchased elsewhere. In addition, royalties on Alberta oil were kept low to stimulate the industry. And then there were the infrastructure subsidies in the form of government funded roads into oil-producing areas and almost unlimited pipeline access. Subsidies of this sort continued year after year, finally culminating in an agreement to keep royalties in the oil-sands low until the full cost of development had been paid for. Currently subsidies to the oil industry amount to about $1.7 billion at the federal level. And then, of course, there are also provincial subsidies.



Of course climate change can be stopped. It is going to happen whether humans help out or not, but humans may not like the way nature adapts to climate change. Disappearing coastlines anyone?

Why post if you are going to post sh-t you made up?

Is Saskatchewan's oil cheaper than Alberta’s?

 

[PoliticalNick]

Survey SAYS? You're a dumba$$.

Here's a breakdown of the global energy supply from highest to lowest. Coal: 39% Natgas: 22% Hydroelectric: 17% Nuclear: 11% Renewables: 7% Oil: 5%.

So no, renewables have not already beat fossil fuels and they don't have anywhere near close to the majority of the market. As you can see, while oil is getting snubbed as you say, coal is still king when it comes to global power generation. Renewables are still ladies in waiting.
Personally, I'm happy that oil is getting snubbed in the energy market, it's a friggin' waste of the oil when there's so, so much more that can be made and done with it.

If you had any brains, you'd be more concerned with natgas and how much fresh water the industry permanently removes from the system rather than worrying about oil. Because with or without oil and other fossil fuels, the planet is going to gradually warm up until nature decides to switch gears again and start a cooling trend.

The fact anyone thinks we can stop climate change is so naive, it would be adorable if they also weren't so stupid and dangerous.

You cannot 'permanently' remove water from the system. We live in a closed system. Water is just recycled. Even water used in fracking will filter through the ground and eventually become fresh again. it just takes time.

Disappearing coastlines is definitely a telltale sign.

Telltale of what? Normal erosion? You understand erosion right? It is a never-ending natural process and has nothing to do with climate.

 

[DaSleeper]

 

[EagleSmack]

Disappearing coastlines is definitely a telltale sign.

You FAIL.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

He goes to and from work on public transit , probably 20 blocks , and wonders why everyone can't do the same .

Flossy likely drives to work in his Honda. Not a hybird or electric just run of the mill .... likely untuned so burning more CO2 .... Honda. Assuming he actually does work.

Of course climate change can be stopped. It is going to happen whether humans help out or not, but humans may not like the way nature adapts to climate change. Disappearing coastlines anyone?

The climate has been changing since day 1. Nobody is going to stop it no matter how much you tax it.

 

[Jinentonix]

You cannot 'permanently' remove water from the system. We live in a closed system. Water is just recycled. Even water used in fracking will filter through the ground and eventually become fresh again. it just takes time.

Sorry, I guess I should have stated that "permanently" is a relative term. As far as human existence goes, that water has been permanently removed from the system.