They still cannot answer why the Arab States refused to give what the Palestinians claim to be Palestine to them long before the Six Day War. The Arab States had every opportunity to make a Palestine but refused.
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Sure, it was formed by the vote of 33 UN member Nations that resulted in the passing of UN Resolution 181. Notice that until Jews started slaughtering Arabs in the middle of the night (Nov, '47), adding more land than the UN allotted, (private and public lands) claiming independence with no right of the refugees to take their complaints to any court. Before that last event Jews were not under 'extermination' conditions, that was being practiced by Jews in their process of extermination Arab villages with no compensation to the Arabs, death or refugee were the only options. Death was used as an example for what the next village would go through. The night raids put other Jews lives in danger, the ones in the new 'homeland' were hoping for that no doubt. Nothing like having a new country where no Jew wants to go to.
How much money did the international community give them, in say the first 10 years? How much did the international community give to the Palestinian that lost possessions and relatives as a result og the Night Raiders?
Yes, partly because there are so many of them and that their number has been steadily increasing over 60 years.
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They cease to be refugees when they no longer want their land back. That isn't going to be anytime soon. If living Palestinians have lost the right of return in the space of 60 years then the Jews lost their claim many centuries ago.
Lets just deal with the Arabs who lived in/on the land rather than involving the ones who voted against the annexation of parts of Palestine . They would be the ones to be compensated or the ones to protest to the courts. As far as I can tell from the cases the court that would hear those complaints has never ruled on anything that would cover things going that far back. Even by the time May' '48 came around Isreal had extinguished many Arab villages so the land they claimed was already larger than what they were to be given, the war added even more land. The rule of land possession by way of the gun was over, war-crimes are backdated to the beginning of WWII.
The UN was supposed to hear grievances to the adoption of Resolution 181 and any disputes about land and compensation in the annexed portion of Palestine. Right off the bat they should have had two court cases going. The one against the UN and their right to annex in the first place. (that there was back-room meetings as early as the 1880's that set the wheels in motion for the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The Rothschild plan was backed up by the purchase of property in Jerusalem and in Palestine) That is intent to take possession. The methods used are recorded in quite some detail, not all are legal.
Palestine should have been recognized as an independent State at the end of WWI. Barring that the UN 181 made them one by a certain date (Oct, '48 I think) They won't do that until the borders are defined, Israel wants them to recognize the current borders, as far as I understand the situation. The payment for helping the Brits during that war was never granted and I doubt the court that predated this court resolved that 'conflict' because the creation of a Jewish homeland was already a plan that had been voted on (League of Nations) to Take land from the Arabs. There was a real effort to buy land by proxy so the real buyers (rich Jews) could remain unknown. Annexation requires payment, Jews never compensate Arabs under any condition. The UN annexed the land, how much did they pay for it?
The list of cases should be pages long just for Palestine. I am aware they are 'advisors' but Nations are supposed to obey the courts on their own as a sign of being a good neighbor.
List of All Cases | International Court of Justice
Palestine, found 1 time (2003)
Israel, found 1 time (1957)
What were the Nations that made it possible feeling guilty about in this vote back in 1922?
Nov 2, 1917: Britain supports creation of Jewish homeland
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British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour submits a declaration of intent to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The British government hoped that the formal declaration would help garner Jewish support for the Allied effort in World War I. The Balfour Declaration was included in the British mandate over Palestine, which was approved by the League of Nations in 1922. Arabs opposed the Balfour Declaration, fearing that the creation of a Jewish homeland would mean the subjugation of Arab Palestinians.
After World War I, the Jewish population in Palestine increased dramatically, as did Jewish-Arab violence. Arab resistance and failures to reach a compromise led Britain to delay deciding on the future of Palestine. In the aftermath of World War II and the Holocaust, much of the international community took up the Zionist cause, and in 1948 the State of Israel was declared.
No country outside of Israel recognizes Israel's claims on the East Jerusalem, including the US and Canada.
Positions on Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Canada
Canadian Policy on Key Issues in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
Also, the US got an answer to their ultimatum:
The ball is back in the US court. I doubt Obama has the balls to stand up to Israel. Instead, I predict Obama will cut a deal. If pro-Israel US politicians vote in favor of Obama's health care plan, Obama will continue America's long tradition of ignoring Israel's ethnic cleansing, war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Positions on Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Canada
Canadian Policy on Key Issues in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
Also, the US got an answer to their ultimatum:
The ball is back in the US court. I doubt Obama has the balls to stand up to Israel. Instead, I predict Obama will cut a deal. If pro-Israel US politicians vote in favor of Obama's health care plan, Obama will continue America's long tradition of ignoring Israel's ethnic cleansing, war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Why was Qibya attacked?
Why did the Arabs kill 3 Israeli civilians two days before, roughly 10/12/1953?
Ariel Sharon when asked why said "he thought all villagers had fled and that the houses were completely unoccupied as they were being blown up. He also stated that he wasn't aware until the next day that any civilians had died." Nothing excuses what was done, but the reason has not changed the fact that the Arabs started the killings of so called innocent civilians, and till the Arabs stop doing it this situation will continue.
This get new get tough policy with Israel Obama has begun will come back and bit him in the butt.
Is this the "because everyone else screwed the Palestinians, Israel can too" argument?
I couldn't find anything on it. At least the settlers have the IDF protecting them while they carry on activities that would get you killed by the owner of the well no matter what country in the world it was done in.
Perhaps he was lying, like all politicians do. This quote shows how much of a pig he really was, I could give you several more pages if you like.
“Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don't care.”
Tizipi was adamant on the news several times that Israel was acting within all international law during operation Cast Lead. That self confidence vanished like smoke when it was (intentionally) leaked that she and a few others might face arrest on war-crime charges. Israel is so convinced they are innocent that they petitioned Britain to make it law that no Israeli Government official could ever be arrested for any reason.
Israel would just kill some of their own, they have made it clear that Gaza and the West Bank will beong to Israel alone, and that Jerusalem will belong to them alone. The international communities view about an International city is a not what Rothschild originally wanted. Are you so trusting that you would belive that if Britain said "No, we will only help you get this much" That they would listen and walk away. lol
This was the original plan, nothing accidental about it at all.
"On the night of October 14-15, 1953, this village was the object of an Israeli attack which was carried out by units from the regular army and in which a variety of weapon types were used. On the evening of October 14, an Israeli military force estimated at about 600 soldiers moved toward the village. Upon arrival, it surrounded it and cordoned it off from all of the other Arab villages. The attack began with concentrated, indiscriminate artillery fire on the homes in the village. This continued until the main force reached the outskirts of the village. Meanwhile, other forces headed for nearby Arab towns such as Shuqba, Badrus and Na'lin in order to distract them and prevent any aid from reaching the people in Qibya. They also planted mines on various roads so as to isolate the village completely. As units of the Israeli army were attacking the village residents, units of military engineers were placing explosives around some of the houses in the village and blowing them up with everyone in them. This attack continued until 4:00 A.M., October 15, 1953, at which time the Israeli forces withdrew to the bases from which they had begun.
This terrorist attack resulted in the destruction of 56 houses, the village mosque, the village school and the water tank . Moreover, 67 citizens lost their lives, both men and women, with many others wounded.
Terrorist Ariel Sharon, the commander of the "101" unit which undertook the terrorist aggression, stated that his leaders' orders had been clear with regard to how the residents of the village were to be dealt with. He says, "The orders were utterly clear: Qibya was to be an example to everyone."
The government of Israel claimed that the massacre was carried out by “civilian Jewish settlers”. But records showed that it was sanctioned by acting Prime Minister Moshe Sharrett, and was planned by Defence Minister Pin Has Lavon, the Chief of General Staff Mordacai Maklet, and Chief of Operations, General Moshe Dayan. On October 26, General Van Bennike testified before the UN Security Council. He gave irrefutable evidence that the attack on Qibya was undertaken by regular army units of Israel and not by irregulars as claimed by official Israeli sources."
Let's see it backed up with some US tropops taking on the IDF in Jerusalem then. Blowing smoke up people's asses makes great TV viewing, eh. Too bad they both obey the same master.
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No it just says that the Arabs could care less about a Palestinian state. It also brings to question that it was never Palestine to begin with.
Why didn't the Goths and Visi Goths get a homeland?
The Basques?
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Because the Rothschild clan wasn't bank-rolling them.
What should the Arab Nations do when the West keeps throwing billions worth pf weapons to them on a yearly basis. The US has vetoed every attempt to have them act in a 'civilized manner' yet Israel insists on the extermination of Gaza and the West Bank. Obviously the world at large supports genocide as long as they can choose who the target is. Really carving up Palestine while eating like pigs in some palace in New York, USA. The West must have had the PR machined working overtime to sell that one to the world. Oh, they had the bomb, that was their whole PR. lol
Look carefully at what land is named as being the one being carved up by the Nations that champion the iseal that no nation can just walk in and claim it for themselves. Even more two-faced than the current Government heads.
United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181
The UN Partition Plan for Palestine
November 29, 1947
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And you wonder why you come under fire.
But it was OK for the Soviets to throw billions worth of weapons to the Arab countries intent on Israel's destruction.
Because the UN devotes most of it's time messing with Israel because they are Jewish. If it was another Arab country that was in Israel's place you wouldn't hear a peep.
Again, there was no Palestine government. It was just occupied land by other foreign nations. They had a chance, they chose war. They lost.
The positions are filled with so many words its confusing.
Could someone explain to me the core postition of both sides?
Could someone explain to me the core postition of both sides?
The Palestinians don't want go through what the White people did to the Indians of North America.
Fair enough....
1. What is the current operational structure of Israel? Republic or Commonwealth?
2.There is a breaking of spiritual Law, that is creating the conditions for a Man to toil in vain. Who is addressing this issue?
3.Is there any movement afoot that is inspired to replant trees? This is the repentance for breaking the Spiritual Law. Both sides equally guilty.
It appear that neither side has progressed much past the story of Cain and Abel.
What is the medical term when an 'abused' person is 'rescued' and then given a weapon which they immediately start to use on everybody in the room and the only time they stop is when they are out of ammo?