Infinity.

Dexter Sinister

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Yep, in the same way that 0.9999.... = 1
I'd like to know what this "crisis" in physics is though. There are a lot of mysteries, and things that don't apparently make sense, but I've always thought that was the exciting and interesting part, not a crisis. Crisis suggests a lot of loose ends are suddenly about to be tied up, as in the crisis or climax point of a story, or there's a real danger of something really bad happening, and I don't think either of those is an accurate description of the state of physics.
 
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Dexter Sinister said:
Yep, in the same way that 0.9999.... = 1
I'd like to know what this "crisis" in physics is though. There are a lot of mysteries, and things that don't apparently make sense, but I've always thought that was the exciting and interesting part, not a crisis. Crisis suggests a lot of loose ends are suddenly about to be tied up, as in the crisis or climax point of a story, or there's a real danger of something really bad happening, and I don't think either of those is an accurate description of the state of physics.
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Many moons ago I had a Prof that explained the whole parallel lines thing to the class with geometric equations and all...Dunno if he was pulling a fast one on us....but at the time....it made perfect sense:smile:
 
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Dunno if he was pulling a fast one on us....
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Very unlikely, there'd be no percentage in that for him, and he'd get in trouble with the university authorities if he was knowingly deluding students. The parallel lines issue really is that Euclid's postulate about them is a rather clumsy and convoluted sentence compared to his other postulates, which vexed the mathematicians' tidy minds. They began to wonder if maybe it were provable as a theorem from the other postulates (it's not) and what happens if you replace it with something else, like parallel lines DO meet in a finite distance, or they diverge indefinitely. And it turns out you can develop a perfectly workable geometry in both cases, which is really why the postulate isn't provable: it's not necessarily true, even granting Euclid's other postulates. You get the geometry for various kinds of curved surfaces, typified by a sphere in the former case and a saddle in the latter.
 
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Infinity is Aether, Vacuum, Nothingness, Emptiness
The law number one:
Physics cannot live without Emptiness
The law number two:
The Emptiness isn’t emptiness
The law number three:
The fool won’t understand,
The ignorant won’t recognize
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Absolute Infiniteis Aether, Vacuum, Nothingness, Emptiness
/ socratus /
"microm2...@hotmail.com" wrote:
Infinity cannot be reached by counting or calculating.
It stands alone as the highest concept in math; the unlimited quantity
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Correct.
"Remember gentlemen, we have not proven
the aether does not exist, we have only proven we do not
need it (for mathematical purposes)"..
/ Einstein's University of Leyden lecture of May 5, 1920. /
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Infinity is none of those things. Study up a bit on Cantor's work on infinite sets, for a start, then maybe you can spread out a bit in the mathematical literature and see where it's led, then you might be able to make some sense of it.
 
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Absolute Infinite is Aether, Vacuum, Nothingness, Emptiness,
Minkawski negative 4D continuum, Dirac’s sea,
Pseudo Euclidian space. . . .etc.
Different names but they have one formula: T=0K.
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Does an Absolute Infinite Frame of Reference exist?
Hmm?
1.
The detected material mass of the matter in the Universe
( the cosmological constant / the critical density of Uuniverse)
is so small (the average density of all substance in the
Universe is approximately p=10^-30 g/sm^3 ) that it cannot
‘close’ the Universe into sphere and therefore our Universe
as whole must be ‘open’, endless
2.
The Universe as whole is Empty.
But the Emptiness isn’t emptiness because it is filled with
dark matter and dark energy : ‘ 90% or more of the matter
in the Universe is unseen / dark.’
3.
Now (!) the physicists think that the Universe as whole
the Absolute Frame of Reference of the Universe is: T=2,7K .
( Nobel Prize in Physics 1978 for discovery
of cosmic microwave background radiation). (!)
It means the Universe as whole has negative parameter,
it is negative temperature, it is Kingdom of Coldness.
Only Minkowski spacetime continuum has negative parameter.
Therefore I say the Minkowski spacetime continuum is model of Vacuum.
The parameter T=2,7K is not constant. It is temporal.
In the future ( in the Future- ? ?) it will come to T=0K.
4.
What is a vacuum ?
The empty space between stars ( Galaxies )
Is this space really empty?
. . . . .
Although we are used to thinking of empty space as containing
nothing at all, and therefore having zero energy, the quantum
rules say that there is some uncertainty about this. Perhaps each
tiny bit of the vacuum actually contains rather a lot of energy.
If the vacuum contained enough energy, it could convert this
into particles, in line with E-Mc^2.
/ Book: Stephen Hawking. Pages 147-148.
5.
According to QED Electron in interaction with vacuum has
infinity parameters ( energy, mass …etc )
Physicists do not understand what to do with infinite sizes,
and therefore they have invented "a method of renormalization",
The method of renormalization is a method
" to sweep the dust under the carpet." / Feynman./
6.
The concept of infinite/ eternal means nothing
to a scientists. They do not understand how they could
draw any real, concrete conclusions from this characteristic.
A notions of "more", "less", "equally, "similar" could not
be conformed to a word infinity or eternity.
The Infinity / Eternity is something, that has no borders,
has no discontinuity; it could not be compared to anything.
Considering so, scientists came to conclusion that the
infinity /eternity defies to a physical and mathematical definition
and cannot be considered in real processes.
Therefore they have proclaimed the strict requirement
(on a level of censor of the law):
« If we want that the theory would be correct,
the infinity/eternity should be eliminated ».
Thus they direct all their mathematical abilities,
all intellectual energy to the elimination of infinity.
But effect of infinity comes again and again and then
physicists say: that’ Infinity is the cause of the crisis in Physics.’
Another example of physicist’s thinking:
’ If there’s nothing wrong with me then,
maybe there’s something wrong with the Universe.’
/ One PhD physicist ./
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Does an Absolute Infinite Frame of Reference exist?
I say: this unthinkable Absolute Infinite Frame of Reference
has two physical parameters.
First: T= 0K,
Second: E= 0 (the lowest state of cosmic background energy).
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Hmm?
What to do with this Infinite Absolute Emptiness ?
#
" Remember gentlemen, we have not proven
the aether does not exist, we have only proven we do not
need it (for mathematical purposes)"..
/ Einstein's famous University of Leyden lecture of May 5, 1920./
!!??
So ! What to do with this Infinite Absolute Emptiness ?
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. Socratus.
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P.S.
Infinite, unbounded, endless, never-ending ,unending,
perpetual, interminable, eternal, dateless, spaceless,
borderless . . .
- What do you read, Prince ?
- Words, words, words.
#
It is no matter how you call it.
The matter is:
How can Infinity be concrete?
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What ARE you going on about? T=2.7K isn't a reference frame, absolute or otherwise, it's the black body temperature of the microwave background from what physicists call the surface of last scattering in the early universe. And you're quite wrong about notions of more and less being inapplicable to infinity. There's an infinite number of integers, for instance, and an infinite number of real numbers, but the latter is infinitely bigger than the former, because between each pair of successive integers there's an infinite number of reals.
 
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it's the black body temperature of the microwave background
from what physicists call the surface of last scattering
in the early universe.
/ Dexter Sinister /
And this ‘ temperature of the microwave background’ strives to T=0K
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Sheesh ... I completed bunches of math classes and this is more than Greek to me. I thought that space is curved and that is why parallel lines eventually meet. As for infinity, if we take an interval between 0 and 1, I seem to remember that we can continue halving that interval an infinite number of times ... with the limit being 0, but we never actually get to 0.

So, it seems that the answer to your question is that limit theory offers infinity within closed parameters. Chaos theory also offers infinite iterations with parameters, but we have to use our imaginations and imaginery numbers to get there. Mandelbrot sets is like an acid trip for computers ... chaos theory.

What sort of problem is physics having ... isn't physics a bit like applied math and engineering where you estimate the minimum, add a little and hope for the best? Okay, I'm not serious ... but it's not exactly like math theory.

Wait a minute ... don't most equations, whether the answer is infinity or not, have parameters? You know ... like :
-∞<x<∞, y>0, -1<z<1, t=10?
Clearly I don't understand the question.
 
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Dexter Sinister

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Neither does socratus. The microwave background "strives" to T=0K? Suggests temperature has volition and goals, when all it really means is that the universe is cooling off as it expands, just like everything else does, it's pretty basic thermodynamics. Nice use of limit theory, BTW, I'd say you DO understand the question.
 
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UBC ... even graduated. In terms of knowing understanding the question, it's more fun if we use complex analysis because everything works in a sphere such that at if x=0 and y=0, then the limit at Z=+1 or -1 is simultaneously 0 and ∞
 
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