Indiana Retreats
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As i understand it 19 other States have bills protecting Religious Liberty and it is under consideration in several other states. I don't know exactly what the wording of the Indiana Law caused such a furor.. but it should use those laws as the basis for any redrafting.
Essentially these protect people from being forced to provide services in such a way as that it contravenes their conscience and faith. The example that i can remember is the refusal of catering services to render their service at a homosexual 'wedding' banquet.. which has a clear sacramental context.
It does not mean they can refuse to sell a product or serve a meal to someone who appears to be homosexual.. but imposes reasonable restraints to doing it in such a way as to validate and endorse the activity... or puts them in circumstances that would be an outrage to their sense of dignity and propriety.
These laws are made necessary in society that has lost all sense of right or wrong and its correspondence with natural and divine law. The outlaw, in these terms, homosexual movement is lobbying, with the full support of the mainstream media, to remove all forms of protection of freedom of religious action and faith.
It unfortunately is a constituent part of the character of homosexuality to have NO sense of borders, in their own lives and in the community as a whole. So borders must be set for protection of all. The homosexual condition is so degraded, confused and miserable that nothing short of capitulation of society to legitimize and celebrate their 'lifestye' will do.
That won't produce happiness, but the homosexual lobby is in a pathological search for something to compensate for the innder hollowness and futility that their pedicament induces, a function of their own willful choices. If enacted, that would be an attack on freedom of thought and faith.. not to mention common sense.
Essentially these protect people from being forced to provide services in such a way as that it contravenes their conscience and faith. The example that i can remember is the refusal of catering services to render their service at a homosexual 'wedding' banquet.. which has a clear sacramental context.
It does not mean they can refuse to sell a product or serve a meal to someone who appears to be homosexual.. but imposes reasonable restraints to doing it in such a way as to validate and endorse the activity... or puts them in circumstances that would be an outrage to their sense of dignity and propriety.
These laws are made necessary in society that has lost all sense of right or wrong and its correspondence with natural and divine law. The outlaw, in these terms, homosexual movement is lobbying, with the full support of the mainstream media, to remove all forms of protection of freedom of religious action and faith.
It unfortunately is a constituent part of the character of homosexuality to have NO sense of borders, in their own lives and in the community as a whole. So borders must be set for protection of all. The homosexual condition is so degraded, confused and miserable that nothing short of capitulation of society to legitimize and celebrate their 'lifestye' will do.
That won't produce happiness, but the homosexual lobby is in a pathological search for something to compensate for the innder hollowness and futility that their pedicament induces, a function of their own willful choices. If enacted, that would be an attack on freedom of thought and faith.. not to mention common sense.
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All started when they allowed mixed-race marriage, which is clearly against the laws of Gawd.
I want you to bake me a cake with figurines of a Sioux being scalped by the Son of the Morning Star aka George Armstrong Custer. That's essentially what the LGBTers want from devout Christians.
Btw, the rights of Muslims to stone queers is paramount.
In the hierarchy of leftist victimhood nothing trumps being a Muslim.
Btw, did you hear the story about the faithful Muslim guy who was sexually attracted to other men? He chopped his own head off so he could get his head right with Allah.
You were the one complaining about a war on Christians by the left. If you want to talk about Muslims killing gays, let's talk about that. Any kind of radicalized religion is fair game. Although I know a lot of good Christians and people of many other faiths, it is the fundamentalists of all religions that are dangerous and give religion a bad name. What the LGBTers want is to be treated equally. Discrimination is not equality and there are laws against discrimination. Stores have a right to refuse service to anybody who is being belligerent or obnoxious, but refusing service because of race, colour or sexual orientation is discrimination and is illegal, despite right wingers trying to make it OK.
It seems strange for a non-believer to defend religious faith. Perhaps it's because I have seen the comfort faith can bring to an individual's life, but can't bring myself to believe.
The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution protects LGBTers. That's a given as far as I'm concerned.
What I object to is the use of the Equal Protection Clause as a weapon to diminish, marginalize and demoralize Christians. The issue isn't finding a bakery that will produce a cake appropriate for the occasion. The issue is the attempted annihilation of the views of individuals by an ascendant group who control the institutions of the country and the federal govt. itself. In this case it is the LGBT community that is being a bully.
In this case the First Amendment Right to Religion can be seen as being in conflict with the 14th Amendment Right to Equal Protection. If the two can't be reconciled in the American Republic, then perhaps the Republic has outlived its usefulness and partition is the appropriate remedy.
Indiana Governor Mike Pence claims he's a Christian but his actions are the polar opposite of Jesus' teachings. As Governor, Pence eliminated food stamps, closed healthcare clinics, and signed a law discriminating against LGBT residents. Pence is not alone, but rather represents the new face of the Christian right: a hollowed-out shell of hatred and intolerance, wrapped in the name of a prophet who they have long ago abandoned. Spread the good word!
In simple terms you might be able to understand, tb.. race is something you ARE.. sodomy is something you DO. The state is in under no obligation to celebrate it.. or even recognize it.. as a 'human right'. It is no more inevitable a condition than is lying, cheating or stealing.. none of which should engender enrollment is a designated social class worthy of special protection.
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In simple terms you might be able to understand, cs.. the appeal to God's law and the "unnatural" nature of interracial marriage made during the debate over Loving v. Virginia were exactly the same arguments you make here.
Indiana Governor Mike Pence claims he's a Christian but his actions are the polar opposite of Jesus' teachings. As Governor, Pence eliminated food stamps, closed healthcare clinics, and signed a law discriminating against LGBT residents. Pence is not alone, but rather represents the new face of the Christian right: a hollowed-out shell of hatred and intolerance, wrapped in the name of a prophet who they have long ago abandoned. Spread the good word!
Like many right wing radicals in the Republican party government Gov. Pense uses religion as a political hammer. I doubt he could care less about the moral or Christological elements of his policies, except that they lock up a voter demographic of incredibly gullible Evangelical Christians.
He pretends that his slavish devotion to corporate welfare and libertarian ethics (which are diametrically opposed to that of real Christianity) and ruthless judicial vengeance.. on the backs of the poor.. can be rebranded as the true faith.. when it just about politics and money.
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The left uses the judiciary to run roughshod over society. Why should one accept the legitimacy of a govt. that permits religious beliefs to be oppressed by the force of law?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkTAYzbBIOA
Concentrate on freedom of religion. That will fix Indiana
Concentrate on freedom of religion. That will fix Indiana
I never understood why granting corporations a tax break is somehow a "sinful" act, do the lot of you not understand that corporations are also mom and pop organizations?