In Kamloops, Not One Body Has Been Found

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So it turns out to be more smoke than fire-which many of us who know local indigenous of old had pretty much come to expect


In Kamloops, Not One Body Has Been Found


AFTER SEVEN MONTHS of recrimination and denunciation, where are the remains of the children buried at the Kamloops Indian Residential School?



The Canadian Press has just honoured the children of residential schools as the “Person of the Year 2021.” The huge media story last summer grew out of the scanning of part of the site in the British Columbia interior where the school operated from 1890 to 1978. The “discovery” was first reported last May 27 by Tk'emlúps te secwépemc First Nation Chief Rosanne Casimir after an anthropologist, Sarah Beaulieu, used ground-penetrating radar in a search for the remains of children alleged by some to be buried there. She is a young anthropologist, an instructor in Anthropology and Sociology at the University of the Fraser Valley since 2018. Her preliminary report is actually based on depressions and abnormalities in the soil of an apple orchard near the school – not on exhumed remains. According to Chief Casimir, these “missing children” represent “undocumented deaths.” Their presence, she says, has long been “knowledge” in the community and “some were as young as three years old.”[1]

From new research revealed at a July 15 press conference last year, the anthropologist scaled back the potential discovery from 215 to 200 “probable burials.” Having “barely scratched the surface,” she found many “disturbances in the ground such as tree roots, metal and stones.” The “disruptions picked up in the radar,” she says, led her to conclude that the sites “have multiple signatures that present like burials.” But she cannot confirm that until the site is excavated – if it is ever done. A community spokesperson says the full report “cannot” be released to the media.[2] For Chief Casimir, “it is not yet clear whether the continuing work on the Kamloops site will involve excavation.”

The Kamloops “discovery” of 2021 created a major sensation in Canada and abroad. Based on the preliminary assessment and before any remains were found or any credible report made, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau immediately referred to “a dark and shameful chapter” in Canadian history.[3] British Columbia Premier John Horgan said he was “horrified and heartbroken” to learn of a burial site with 215 children that highlights the violence and consequences of the residential school system.[4] Several other Aboriginal communities and media outlets then followed up with references to unmarked graves.

On May 30, the federal government lowered the flags on all its buildings to half-staff. Later, it instituted a new holiday to honour "missing" children and survivors of residential schools. Spontaneously, clusters of shoes and orange shirts and other paraphernalia were placed on church steps in many cities or on the steps of legislatures in memory of the little victims. Around the country, churches were burned or vandalized. Statues were spray-painted and pulled down in apparent retaliation for the fate of the children. The statue of Queen Victoria in front of the Manitoba Legislature was defaced and pulled down. Montreal’s statue of Sir John A. Macdonald, Canada's first prime minister, was knocked down, his detached bronze head symbolically rolling on the ground.

In the wake of unsubstantiated claims by Aboriginal leaders, several media outlets amplified and hyped the story by alleging that the bodies of 215 children had been found, adding that “thousands” of children had “gone missing” from residential schools and that parents had not been informed. The undisturbed sites even became “mass graves” where bodies were dumped in a jumble.

This supposed “news” made the rounds in all sorts of media, tarnishing Canada’s self-image and reputation abroad. Under the title “Horrible History: Mass Grave of Indigenous Children Reported in Canada,” the May 28 New York Times, even when updated on Oct. 5, reported that “For decades, most [sic] Indigenous children in Canada were taken from their families and forced into boarding schools. A large number [sic] never returned home, their families given only vague explanations, or none at all.” The indigenous community “has found evidence of what happened to some of its missing children: a mass grave containing the remains of 215 children on the grounds of a former residential school.”
 

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But hey, you can trust the MSM and their "fact-checking" cohorts. The MSM says so. Why, they've even been defended by idiots who claim that you can tell a story is true and not fake news because multiple news outlets will run the story.

Same with the Six Nation's bullshit land claims that they own the land on 6 miles of either side of the Grand River along its entire length. Two problems with that claim. A)The GG didn't give the Mohawk any of the land near Lake Erie. B) Chief Joseph Brant had sold and gifted some 93% of the land he and his people were granted in Canada. It no longer belongs to them. Ancestral seller's remorse isn't a valid claim of ownership, no matter how fucking whiny you get. But the MSM in Canada sure don't see it that way.
 

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So it turns out to be more smoke than fire-which many of us who know local indigenous of old had pretty much come to expect


In Kamloops, Not One Body Has Been Found


AFTER SEVEN MONTHS of recrimination and denunciation, where are the remains of the children buried at the Kamloops Indian Residential School?



The Canadian Press has just honoured the children of residential schools as the “Person of the Year 2021.” The huge media story last summer grew out of the scanning of part of the site in the British Columbia interior where the school operated from 1890 to 1978. The “discovery” was first reported last May 27 by Tk'emlúps te secwépemc First Nation Chief Rosanne Casimir after an anthropologist, Sarah Beaulieu, used ground-penetrating radar in a search for the remains of children alleged by some to be buried there. She is a young anthropologist, an instructor in Anthropology and Sociology at the University of the Fraser Valley since 2018. Her preliminary report is actually based on depressions and abnormalities in the soil of an apple orchard near the school – not on exhumed remains. According to Chief Casimir, these “missing children” represent “undocumented deaths.” Their presence, she says, has long been “knowledge” in the community and “some were as young as three years old.”[1]

From new research revealed at a July 15 press conference last year, the anthropologist scaled back the potential discovery from 215 to 200 “probable burials.” Having “barely scratched the surface,” she found many “disturbances in the ground such as tree roots, metal and stones.” The “disruptions picked up in the radar,” she says, led her to conclude that the sites “have multiple signatures that present like burials.” But she cannot confirm that until the site is excavated – if it is ever done. A community spokesperson says the full report “cannot” be released to the media.[2] For Chief Casimir, “it is not yet clear whether the continuing work on the Kamloops site will involve excavation.”

The Kamloops “discovery” of 2021 created a major sensation in Canada and abroad. Based on the preliminary assessment and before any remains were found or any credible report made, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau immediately referred to “a dark and shameful chapter” in Canadian history.[3] British Columbia Premier John Horgan said he was “horrified and heartbroken” to learn of a burial site with 215 children that highlights the violence and consequences of the residential school system.[4] Several other Aboriginal communities and media outlets then followed up with references to unmarked graves.

On May 30, the federal government lowered the flags on all its buildings to half-staff. Later, it instituted a new holiday to honour "missing" children and survivors of residential schools. Spontaneously, clusters of shoes and orange shirts and other paraphernalia were placed on church steps in many cities or on the steps of legislatures in memory of the little victims. Around the country, churches were burned or vandalized. Statues were spray-painted and pulled down in apparent retaliation for the fate of the children. The statue of Queen Victoria in front of the Manitoba Legislature was defaced and pulled down. Montreal’s statue of Sir John A. Macdonald, Canada's first prime minister, was knocked down, his detached bronze head symbolically rolling on the ground.

In the wake of unsubstantiated claims by Aboriginal leaders, several media outlets amplified and hyped the story by alleging that the bodies of 215 children had been found, adding that “thousands” of children had “gone missing” from residential schools and that parents had not been informed. The undisturbed sites even became “mass graves” where bodies were dumped in a jumble.

This supposed “news” made the rounds in all sorts of media, tarnishing Canada’s self-image and reputation abroad. Under the title “Horrible History: Mass Grave of Indigenous Children Reported in Canada,” the May 28 New York Times, even when updated on Oct. 5, reported that “For decades, most [sic] Indigenous children in Canada were taken from their families and forced into boarding schools. A large number [sic] never returned home, their families given only vague explanations, or none at all.” The indigenous community “has found evidence of what happened to some of its missing children: a mass grave containing the remains of 215 children on the grounds of a former residential school.”
As I always keep hinting and saying? Do not listen to or believe what our lying politicians and the lying media have to say anymore. They have both become professional liars and bullshitters. When the media goes bonkers over some story that they try and keep pushing for as long as they can, one should just go the reverse to what they are saying, like this fake story about all those murdered native Indian children's bodies that were supposed to have happen. If the media says that it will be rainy tomorrow, there is a good chance that it will be sunny tomorrow. Just an example.

When our politicians open their mouths or the media reports on some incident. do not listen and believe wholeheartedly to what they are saying. Take what they are saying with a grain of salt or better still do your own research. Just saying. ;)
 

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There you go spreading malicious facts from independent media again.
If it were not for the independent media we would never learn anything at all. If we all just relied on what our lying politicians and the lying media tells us all the time we would be up shits creek. They tell us nothing but lies and bullshit just like they told us with all of their lies about covid and climate change. Just more political and media bullshit. When our politicians and the media tells me that this is so, I say to myself, nope, this is not so. I now know the real opposite truth. :cool:
 

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There you go spreading malicious facts from independent media again.
Yes, isn't it interesting that there may actually be "two sides to a story" - the one that the MSM tell and the "other side" the independent media tell and guess what? The latter is usually more accurate than the former which is why the MSM are on the downhill and the independents are getting more attention because they have better journalists who don't have an issue digging for the facts rather than opinions or propaganda. It's nice to read both sides to see what the latest dogma is being preached by the MSM and compare it to other news sources. Hopefully, somewhere between the two one can find a semblance of the truth.
 
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Yes, isn't it interesting that there may actually be "two sides to a story" - the one that the MSM tell and the "other side" the independent media tell and guess what? The latter is usually more accurate than the former which is why the MSM are on the downhill and the independents are getting more attention because they have better journalists who don't have an issue digging for the facts rather than opinions or propaganda. It's nice to read both sides to see what the latest dogma is being preached by the MSM and compare it to other news sources. Hopefully, somewhere between the two one can find a semblance of the truth.
As long as the facts are told we can work through the spin .
 

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People who lie about, or exaggerate, or jump to conclusions about, the horrors of the American (the continents, not the U.S.) genocide actually HURT the cause (the "cause" being to undo the erasure of history) by feeding ammunition to the enemy and raising doubt in the minds of fair-minded people willing to look at the reality. They are not "friends to the Indian."

The truth is bad enough. No need to embroider it.
 
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People who lie about, or exaggerate, or jump to conclusions about, the horrors of the American (the continents, not the U.S.) genocide actually HURT the cause (the "cause" being to undo the erasure of history) by feeding ammunition to the enemy and raising doubt in the minds of fair-minded people willing to look at the reality. They are not "friends to the Indian."

The truth is bad enough. No need to embroider it.
The residential schools themselves were bad enough. There was no need to make out that there were thousands of unmarked graves of murdered children. Are there unmarked graves at the residential schools? The older ones, of course, and in those graves are buried children that died at the school as well as staff members that died at the school. Custodians, teachers, priests, sisters. If the graves were marked it was with wooden crosses that rotted away. Stories passed down from my wifes family tell of children being dropped off at the schools when they were sick and the parents couldn't care for them anymore. A lot of those children died.
 
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The residential schools themselves were bad enough. There was no need to make out that there were thousands of unmarked graves of murdered children. Are there unmarked graves at the residential schools? The older ones, of course, and in those graves are buried children that died at the school as well as staff members that died at the school. Custodians, teachers, priests, sisters. If the graves were marked it was with wooden crosses that rotted away. Stories passed down from my wifes family tell of children being dropped off at the schools when they were sick and the parents couldn't care for them anymore. A lot of those children died.
Yep. Stuff gets distorted. One side says y'all brought us freedom and Jesus and everything was wonderful. Enough people are aware that that story is BS that we don't need exaggerations, lies, or "dramatisations."

Time to move on. Like it or not, we're Canadians/Americans/citizens of other Western Hemisphere countries. We should focus on holding on to our ways the way some of the European-descended people hold on to the ways of the old country. Celebrate them with like-minded folk, and be fully involved in the modern economy otherwise. You can be a chief, or a sachem, or a warrior, or a medicine man on your own time, and a lawyer, a doctor, or an engineer (or a truck driver or a plumber) during the workweek.
 
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