Immigration Policy

AnnaG

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While restricting or banning immigration is totally unrealistic, that doesn’t mean that immigrants cannot be screened in a better way. Netherlands instituted an aptitude test for the immigrants a while ago, and I have always held the opinion that potential immigrants could be asked questions about human rights, minority rights in they citizenship examination.

In addition to questions regarding how our government works, they also could be asked about the rights and privileges guaranteed to us in the Charter. Questions about minority, rights, women’s rights, gay rights etc. could be included. Those with extreme views could be eliminated.
That last bit would keep someone like you from immigrating as you seem to be a Liberal fanatic with extreme prejudices against conservatism. :)
 

Tonington

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Ultimately, NO. But we haven't learned to do it right yet, so it's important to get things slowed down until we do and get the bad apples shipped back.

You're posturing like we can someday have a system where we know what someone is going to do in the future. Essentially you want to stop crimes before they are committed. I'm all ears for your solution. I'm not ready to close all shopping centers down until the authorities are certain that nobody will shoplift...

Since I can't seem to post right now, I'll try to edit this post. There is a movie that is plotted on this kind of notion:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/
 

Slim Chance

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First step in an immigration interview should be to determine their command of English. No English, No Entry. When my wife emigrated from Germany about 14 years ago she spoke far better English than many asians that are second generation.

Absolutely!

There is no possible manner in which one could expect a new immigrant to be capable of supporting themselves and contributing into the community without a decent, functional command of the language.

Canada has to move away from marketing itself exclusively as a safe harbour and more along the lines of a land of opportunity for those that are willing to take a risk and work to achieve their goals.
 

SirJosephPorter

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You're posturing like we can someday have a system where we know what someone is going to do in the future. Essentially you want to stop crimes before they are committed. I'm all ears for your solution. I'm not ready to close all shopping centers down until the authorities are certain that nobody will shoplift...

Since I can't seem to post right now, I'll try to edit this post. There is a movie that is plotted on this kind of notion:

Minority Report (2002)

Quite so. the only way to stop immigrant crime completely is to stop taking immigrants. But that still leaves us with visitors, students, company transfers etc. The only way to get rid of crime by foreigners is to wrap us in a cocoon and to become totally isolationist, not admitting any foreigners into Canada.

Short of that, some immigrants are going to commit crimes. Anyway, I don't think there is any evidence that crime rate among immigrants is greater than that among citizens.
 
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YukonJack

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taxslave made a suggestion to solve all immigration problems thus:

"First step in an immigration interview should be to determine their command of English. No English, No Entry. When my wife emigrated from Germany about 14 years ago she spoke far better English than many asians that are second generation."

As an immigrant who spoke no English when I came here, (and according to linguistic scholars like SirJosephPorter, Cliffy, DurkaDurka, etc. I still don't) the question should be: Are you willing to learn the language of your new country?

It is plain to see, the illegal Hispanics have absolutely no desire or ambition to learn English.
 

DurkaDurka

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As an immigrant who spoke no English when I came here, (and according to linguistic scholars like SirJosephPorter, Cliffy, DurkaDurka, etc. I still don't) the question should be: Are you willing to learn the language of your new country?

Dropping names again, Yukon?

You know, you can always drag your flaccid ass back to the motherland if you so please.
 

YukonJack

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DurkaDurka, as usual, resorted to personal attack:

"You know, you can always drag your flaccid ass back to the motherland if you so please."

Let me repeat: I have no intention to go anywhere. I EARNED my Canadian Citizenship, unlike you and your fellow pseudo patriots who had the dumb luck and nothing else, to be born into it.

If you know that my ass is flaccid, obviously you tried to kiss it. You cried when I did not let you.
 

DurkaDurka

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DurkaDurka, as usual, resorted to personal attack:

"You know, you can always drag your flaccid ass back to the motherland if you so please."

Let me repeat: I have no intention to go anywhere. I EARNED my Canadian Citizenship, unlike you and your fellow pseudo patriots who had the dumb luck and nothing else, to be born into it.

If you know that my ass is flaccid, obviously you tried to kiss it. You cried when I did not let you.

You have earned nothing. you're a citizen of convenience.
 

AnnaG

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Absolutely!

There is no possible manner in which one could expect a new immigrant to be capable of supporting themselves and contributing into the community without a decent, functional command of the language.
Tell that to the Chinese immigrant who only speaks Chinese and never exits Chinatown in Vancouver.

Canada has to move away from marketing itself exclusively as a safe harbour and more along the lines of a land of opportunity for those that are willing to take a risk and work to achieve their goals.
Good idea. We have to fix the CIC first.
 

YukonJack

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"You have earned nothing. you're a citizen of convenience." - DurkaDurka

"AFTER rejection from the US." - petros

Bobbsy twins, separated at birth.
 

YukonJack

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petros challenged me thus:

"Admit it. You love the US more than Canada so what exactly brought you here? Be honest."

I have been thru this before. But for your benefit, petros, an for the benefit of those who read this before, but too dense to take note, here it goes again:

Yes, when I was a seventeen year old refugee I was thinking of Immigrating to the United States. Typical of most Europeans who have no idea that Canada even exits.
At that time the United States had a quota system for all immigrants allowed to enter America, set sometimes in the 1930', based on the percentages of ethnicity.
I missed out on that, but I was happy to come to Canada, I was happy to learn the language, I was happy to make a living, earn my Canadian Citizenship, get married, have children, grandchildren, be productive, and resist the temptation to immigrate to the United States when I was working there and was asked my boss to make my temporary work status permanent.

My citizenship was earned, and it was not a matter of convenience, despite what DurkaDurka says. Ask him how many seventeen year olds are smart enough or wily enough to arrange a marriage/citizenship of convenience. And then ask him just how absurd he can be.

And that is my honest answer to your question.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Dropping names again, Yukon?

You know, you can always drag your flaccid ass back to the motherland if you so please.

Back to Hungary? Not likely, there is no comparison between Canada and Hungary. Now, on to USA is possible, but due to some reason he doesn't want to emigrate to USA (even though he likes just about everything about USA).
 

petros

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I missed out on that, but I was happy to come to Canada, I was happy to learn the language, I was happy to make a living, earn my Canadian Citizenship, get married, have children, grandchildren, be productive, and resist the temptation to immigrate to the United States when I was working there and was asked my boss to make my temporary work status permanent.
So in other words Canada took pity on you and we invested in and now you **** on Canada and other Canadians?
 
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YukonJack

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SirJosephPorter, once again displayed his ignorance by writng:

"Back to Hungary? Not likely, there is no comparison between Canada and Hungary. Now, on to USA is possible, but due to some reason he doesn't want to emigrate to USA (even though he likes just about everything about USA)."

Only and uninformed person coul say that.

I was back in Hungary in 2007, and found that it is now remarkably like Canada.

Multi-party squabbling. Political corruption. Greed. Blaming others. Unrestricted abortion. Raging homosexuality. Pornography running rampant. Covert anti-religionism. Unionized teachers. Debasing of history.

It is still somewhat better in Canada, mainly because we have not fallen victim to the Marxist/Socialist/Liberal disease that grabbed hold of Europe, including the former Soviet Block with the possible and honourable exception of Poland.