Immigration down 25% in first quarter of 2011

winespius

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Pretty fair comment Dump....I spent 15yrs in the Middle East, and have also lived in the Caribbean, Africa, the Far East and Europe..so I spent most of my adult life as a minority...I have a good grasp on the subject of "racism"...seen it a lot...
 

petros

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When you get home you don't really give a **** anymore and find yourself shopping in foreign speciality stores.
 

Corduroy

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Canadians are clueless on the topic of race. I heard Ken Dryden say that language is just a way to communicate. Sure, try to explain a joke to someone learning English. Our humour is not universal. For most of the world language is what makes a people, a nation, a race. But in Canada, unlike most of the world, we got our language from elsewhere, England in Europe.

Hey, what about your immigrant father and health care?

A racialist is a person who acknowledges the existence of race."

But you aren't just acknowledging the existence of race. You're calling non-whites economic underachievers. You're saying they need more government assistance. You're also saying that this is a reason why we shouldn't allow non-whites into the country as being an economic underachiever and needing government assistance is a bad thing. Obviously this crosses the line between acknowledging race and believing in a racial hierarchy, which is racism.

Even when you're trying to explain how you're not a racist you give more evidence for your racism.

You really have to spend time outside Canada to get a feel for being a minority, white and Canadian, go to China for a while. They are quite frank discussing race. They are all racists by your definition because they think the Chinese race is best by far.

Yup, that's racism. What's your point?
 

Omicron

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Canada let 25 per cent fewer immigrants into the country in the first quarter of this year compared to the same period in 2010, raising concerns the Conservative government is embarking on a bold plan to restrict the country’s immigration levels.

Fine... let them concern away, because Canada does *not* need new immigrants. Not right now. We got enough people already looking for jobs, thanks to being overly-integrated into an economy so deregulated it can be tanked by a bunch of coke-snorting *****-poking derivative traders in NY.

If you got long-term vision and want to maintain a corner of the planet with a proper standard of living with justice, I'd ask, "Are you moving here for the money, or for the Justice?"
 

Corduroy

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For some close minded people, simply stating the facts is racism. They are so simple and so duped.

Oh no, nothing you said is actually a fact. Contrary to your opinion, non-whites are not inferior to whites. You're just trying to explain how this obviously racist delusion is not racist.

By the way, what about your father and health care?

You know why you aren't answering that question? Because your immigrant father did take advantage of government services and it would be much too embarrassing to admit it after denouncing other immigrants for the same thing. You have no integrity. No courage.

Personally, I think you should just throw your dad under the bus. After all, he was an immigrant freeloader like all the rest. If my ancestors did things I was fundamentally against, I would have the courage to denounce it.
 

Durry

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A typical scheme by senior immigrants is that they get their Canadian citizenship under the family unification program. After the sponsorship time has expired, they ( seniors) claim they are abandoned by their kids so these seniors for claim GIS (Guar. Income supplement) which amounts to about $30k /yr. All legal under present laws.

Nice gig...eh!!

Pretty fair comment Dump....I spent 15yrs in the Middle East, and have also lived in the Caribbean, Africa, the Far East and Europe..so I spent most of my adult life as a minority...I have a good grasp on the subject of "racism"...seen it a lot...

Yes, having been outside the country a number of yrs, I also agree with Dump.

On an additional note, because you have been outside the country for a long time, at retirement, your will not be entitled to a full CPP and AOS benifit. These will be reduced for you proportional to you time away from Canada.
But hopefully you made it up in your employment outside the country.
 

winespius

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Right Durry...my pensions from the government will be about $220/mo..! and I was born here...
 

petros

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A typical scheme by senior immigrants is that they get their Canadian citizenship under the family unification program. After the sponsorship time has expired, they ( seniors) claim they are abandoned by their kids so these seniors for claim GIS (Guar. Income supplement) which amounts to about $30k /yr. All legal under present laws.
Combined with GIS it's $14K+.... thanks I never knew they upped it.

Tell me where you got your numbers for $30K then. Looks like you just ****ed yourself.

Cut off levels mean they have another outside income asshole.
 

Corduroy

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Stats on race are useless. No one can draw any real conclusions by looking at how Asians, for example, adapt to life in Canada, because Asian communities in Canada do not form on the basis of being Asian, they form along cultural and national lines (Chinese, Korean, Filipino, etc.). Race would be a false category. It is more useful to track people as a community based around culture and shared heritage. If the community remains cohesive (like the Chinese community in Vancouver) then it's useful to track that community's development in Canada - at least for informational purposes and to measure the success of integration. Incidentally, the Chinese community is extremely successful in Canada.

Does this say something about Chinese people? Well, Chinese people in other places aren't as successful and sometimes they are more successful. Chinese people in China are all differently successful (most of them poor). What factors into Chinese success in Canada is not some racial characteristic or cultural one. Some culture yes, but probably more an immigrant culture not a Chinese one. It's mostly circumstance, I'd say. It is certainly circumstance in China and there are places in the world where the Chinese diaspora makes up ruling elite.

If the community was no longer cohesive, statistics would be less significant. But their conditions in earlier times could still affect them. The Chinese community at the moment is largely urban. If the Chinese community over time breaks down as a community, assimilates and intermarries more, they may no longer stand out as much from the general population, though they would still likely be concentrated in urban areas and economically and educationally match the urban population more than the rural one (and their early economic and educational success would carry over to their descendents.

It is probably the case with Europeans that individual nationalities have melded together and it wouldn't be significant to separate them and, say, determine the success of Germans compared to the British and French populations. But, as Germans were in the past concentrated in the prairies provinces, you might find a slightly prairie character to statistics on the German population. Who knows? Trends in recent European immigrants can be tracked, though there are fewer of them. And the French, of course, have remained a separate community owing to their size and political and cultural organization.

A good non-white example of less cohesive community would be the Japanese community in Richmond, BC. This community maintains its self-identification but is for the most part culturally completely integrated. They are on their 4th generation now, I believe. In the past, theirs was a fishing community and as such the Japanese people in Richmond tend to be working class (and due to changes in the area's economy, suburban middle class.) (there was also the internment camps and state-sponsored theft of their homes and livelihoods during the war that contributed) Chinese in Richmond tend to be more wealthy and more white collar, despite their more recent arrival. The Japanese and Chinese are both Asian, but the differences between them makes it useless to measure them as a group together.
 

winespius

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That's pretty deep...what are they ...goodness of the government?
I'm not complaining ....I spent most of my adult life overseas and didn't pay canadian taxes so I'm not entitled to full benefits of the plan...and neither is a new immigrant...