I'm not going to deny that God is a wizard by our standards, The purpose of the Bible is to let the ones that will be affected by something God is in charge of, Jonah tried to run away rather than deliver the message so when God says something it means He will manipulate things so they work out His way. An example could be the vision that was shown to 3 Apostles and then they were instructed not to say anything until after the cross. Had the vision taken place in the temple nobody would have been left as an unbeliever. The ones destined to be unbelievers back then are not unbelievers forever. Any person who dies an unbeliever instantly wakes up in front of God at the Great White Throne, a believer who has died will awake about 1,000 years earlier, that is their reward. After the Great White Throne one group lives in New Jerusalem and the other ones live outside the city and expand in numbers for eternity. Each couple is limited to 100 children and they are all just one year apart. Before then you aren't married and after that you are immortal and you don't have children.
Supposition.
How do you know it's a white throne?
How about because it is a term that is used in this place. Since that is the place of Judgment Day a day there could use the 1,000 year thing to increase the amount of time it takes for God to give each person who is resurrected their pardon, without which they cannot accept the water offered to them in Re:21 or enter New Jerusalem because they are not even a liar at that stage. Once New Jerusalem leaves there and lands on the new earth the people follow the living water and a new Eden begins.
We can ajust our thing to accept that, explaining it would have meant everything else that complicated would also have to be explained and the book is big enough as it is.
2Co:12:2:
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
Heb:12:22:
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,such an one caught up to the third heaven.
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When our sun grows bigger in the far future and the oceans boil away and the solar winds strip away the atmosphere is 'the oceans' still considered to be 'water' while in deep space. The 'water' in Ge:1:2 would be the 'frozen variety' and 'the deep' would be in the direction the universe is expanding.
Like I said, people tend to adjust the Bible to fit scientific discovery. The people who wrote the Bible had no clue as to what space (what you are now calling "the deep") was let alone what happens to water when it is out there. So, the only way they could know would be through your god. And yet science is still stripping away all the things the Bible claims your god did. That should be another clue that the stories of gods is human invention. I mean besides the fact that old gods are dead. There is no god of lightning, sun god, god of love, etc. The god of "everything" is just the universe and human's bring on their own punishments for "sins" in their lives.
The sun was shining by the end of day 1, the orbit of the earth was not like it is today until the end of day 5. Light was created on day 1, time was created on day 4.
I don't know what version of the Bible you use but here is the KJ version:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
I can let the "heaven" part pass, but the Earth is a lot younger than the sun.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
A planet without form? Sorry, but Earth has pretty much been an oblate spheroid since day 1. No light yet and we've switched from space being "heavens" to the "deep". And we have water.
3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: 2 Cor. 4.6 and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Now we get light. No sun yet, though. That comes later.
6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. 2 Pet. 3.5 And the evening and the morning were the second day.
So, here we get some kind of land called ' firmament' but we can't see it or touch it because it's 'heaven'.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Finally this 'formless' Earth has form and substance.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
After a couple billion years we have life. But it's plantlife. The first life was microbial. Still no sun, though. Plants don't exist without light.
14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
AHAH! Finally we get stars, our sun and other cosmic bodies. And apparently, the Earth has started spinning and revolving in orbit.
20 ¶ And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
And now we get life other than plantlife. But the order is wrong because microbes were first and microbes are neither animal nor plantlife.
24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so......... etc.
*shrugs*
But it's all magical and defies the realities that the universe and its contents follow.
It just wasn't given a name. The waters of the void would be the material for the universe, the bang was the sign it had warmed up enough to 'melt ice'.
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All Gods that are a part of myths would be a fallen angel, Enoch has them being about two miles tall, pretty big until you consider the amount of space travel they do.
Sorry, but the gods of myths didn't make lightning, fire, water, earth, etc. These gods are human inventions and we still have a few left.
That really is the only acid tesr\t there is , it is also the quickest way to shut somebody up. know the passage better than they do, when you point out their error they will be less noisy if nothing else.
What error. Is it even possible to have errors in suppositions where there are no parameters?
Being a first edition back then I can understand it not being a perfected theory yet. I can also live with the fossil record is never going to be complete. The most powerful before the flood will be given 3 1/2 years to regain that power before the earth belongs to the Kingdom of God.
Oh. I wait with baited breath.
That isn't going to happen of I would have done it the first time I ever heard that. Why not up the probability factor a few % by showing that the Bible is more complex that could have been 'envisioned' back then. The prophecy shows that when He does show up sin and death never happen again. If it was possible He would do it, if He has to make people immortal before they are clean of sin then He is actually sentencing them to the lake. It isn't so much that we agree to His methods, it is that we recognize certain events as being attributed to prophecy surrounding the time of the return.
So much for being all-powerful then if it can't fix everything, can't even come up with one little bit of evidence of its existence. Why the delay? Why wait a couple hundred thousand years instead of fixing everything soon after the plan started going screwy? Or is this another instance of the variable progression of time again where days are billions of years and vice versa? And it's still showing remarkably human traits.
Sorting the Bible into two piles makes understanding it better, the bruise to the heel was the cross so prophecy about that has been fulfilled and the historical events are there to show us it was a literal event so the other bruise will also be a literal event.
It'd help if you wouldn't use euphemisms without defining them. To me a bruise is basically a hematoma not a figure of speech or a section of a book.
Ge:3:15:
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.
You see? This is what I meant by being vague, obscure, ambiguous, etc. The Bible simply isn't clear.
If you aren't willing to follow where things lead then you shouldn't be investigating, or trolling. More like seeing if I asked myself all the same questions you did that made you close the book as being worthwhile. So far anytime that question got any sort of reply I had a reply ready right then, so no change required.
It's entertainment. What can I say?
In my case it is boiling down to one version being possible and the 70 weeks being fulfilled and Rome being in the brass are the only two changes needed.
That's cool. In my case, there's just too many "ifs" and "maybes", too much waffling amongst the scholars, and too many religions throwing bureaucracy into the issue, etc. for the entire thing to be worth considering seriously. Science is doing a pretty good job of explaining things to me without much of that nonsense. When scientists claim something, they back it up with some pretty solid evidence.
Whatever gets the 'nudge, nudge, winl, wink' atmosphere circulating. Not a big deal just takes longer to tell the story and some may toss out some accurate info. The Bible is there because it fulfills this requirement. Getting the details right doesn't affect the determinations.
Isa:42:9:
Behold,
the former things are come to pass,
and new things do I declare:
before they spring forth I tell you of them.
ok
True, but if prophecy being understood means every jot remain in the right place the writing is more effective. The OT was held as an oral book (fine parts of it) and some changes would have happened before it was written down during the exile in Babylon. Since God was having Daniel write a book at that same time any variences could have been corrected so the first printed version matched the original stories when they first appeared.
Funny stuff it was, anyway.
In hindsight I probably should have used a different sequence of words.
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I prefer to think greed has a major role (Church = big $$$) rather than they are just too stupid to figure it out.
Not all scholars belong to a particular church nor do all the ones that do belong to particular churches have biases. Same for scientists. Some are genuinely interested in finding out the realities in things and don't let money, politics, or whatever influence them.
That could be just a saying if 'history is written by the victors' is a true saying.
If we were talking about wars or something, yes. Everyone has a different view of things. There's no cure but it can be minimized.
It is the part of where the material came from for the bang is the 'poof part' of the theory. If God shuffled the prophecies up then they have to be unshuffled, the shuffling was putting the prophecies that deal with one event into many different books. If the prophecies were intentionally given that shuffling so they could not be accurately understand and that would make tampering with the message.
About the 'poofing' in the big bang:
Curious About Astronomy: Where did the matter in the universe come from?
They have to understand it to teach it.
Recipe for keeping it intact..
That helps, yes. But if people don't have doubts what's being taught, then it's just dogma and rhetoric and all you are doing is feeding agreeable people whatever you want them to swallow.
Not exact even with twins.
Sort of. The alleles in the DNA are what causes differences. But human DNA is human DNA and cannot change. Like I said, evolution and DNA are complicated.
Something like this?
1Co:15:32:
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus,
what advantageth it me,
if the dead rise not?
let us eat and drink;
for to morrow we die.
More like our molecules are dissembled, dispersed, and assembled into other things; sometimes live things, sometimes not.
Not like that cleared up the entire list of questions.
Like I said, science is still plugging away at the list of blurry and unknown things.
I believe in the Bible 100 % and it was written by men whom god told what to write . I also believe the Bible has no errors at all . It was meant to be exactly the way it is now for a reason and a small % know why .
That's fine. But that doesn't make it any less fictional.
If there no god ? Life as we know it has no meaning .
I have no gods in my life yet I find lots of meaning in it.
This is my beliefs , you can believe what ever you want , it's your choice. You can agree or disagree with my opinion that is also you choice . All that matters is what you believe in not what others try to tell you .
QUite.
That's your opinion , As for my opinion i see none because I understand it ... And to understand it ? One must really believe 100% , not 99.9 % but 100%
Well, yeah. In order to believe that red is actually green, one must believe it 100%.
