No one faction has a monopoly on misinformation but those who control the bulk of main stream media produce and distribute the overwhelming higher percentage of that product, and that would be right wing warmongers and christofacist godwhacks.
hugo is the man
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Funny.....
In the top 20 failed states I do not see a single one that would not be there even if the USA had never existed.
Really, this obsession with blaming all the world's ills on the USA is quite disturbing.
As well, as I challenged the lefties on another thread, please name me a single truely socialist nation where people enjoy the freedom and the richess we do in Canada.
I would have to do some research, but the semi-socialist nations of Scandinavia are the only close thing, and their wealth is generated by free enterprise, they don't count.
If you love socialism so much, I suggest you move to Cuba. Good luck with that.
darkbeaver said:
Funny.....
In the top 20 failed states I do not see a single one that would not be there even if the USA had never existed.
Really, this obsession with blaming all the world's ills on the USA is quite disturbing.
As well, as I challenged the lefties on another thread, please name me a single truely socialist nation where people enjoy the freedom and the richess we do in Canada.
I would have to do some research, but the semi-socialist nations of Scandinavia are the only close thing, and their wealth is generated by free enterprise, they don't count.
If you love socialism so much, I suggest you move to Cuba. Good luck with that.
Move you must be kidding, just a few more years working here and Canada will be a socialist heaven, I suggest you move to NewYork and enjoy the American Dream before it's over.
Not sure how productive it is to keep framing every issue in a right/left opposition. The world really does not bounce steadily to this tune any longer as the polarities are constantly shifting.
The US has historically had much more influence in the western hemisphere and Colombia is the only country on this list in the top 50 from this part of the world. There are 43 countries in the western hemisphere only 4 or about 10% are on the list. Compare this to Africa where the Europeans had their colonial interests and because of neo-colonial linkages still have great influence. There are 55 countries in Africa and 27 or about 50% are on the list. And none of the countries in Asia where the US is most dominant like the Philippines are on the list.
The US has historically had much more influence in the western hemisphere and Colombia is the only country on this list in the top 50 from this part of the world. There are 43 countries in the western hemisphere only 4 or about 10% are on the list. Compare this to Africa where the Europeans had their colonial interests and because of neo-colonial linkages still have great influence. There are 55 countries in Africa and 27 or about 50% are on the list. And none of the countries in Asia where the US is most dominant like the Philippines are on the list.
Video: Venezuela a real treat part 1.
Video: Venezuela a real treat part 2.
Video: Venezuela a real treat part 3.
Video: Venezuela a real treat part 4.
Video: Venezuela a real treat part 5.
Video:Venezuelan version of freedom of speech
Video's last minutes show a wounded reporter by venezuelan soldiers
In 2004, the Venezuelan people marched against Chavez regime,
More then 200 000 people filled streets of Caracas. These are the pictures of the march.
And the governement's response .....
Video: Venezuelan Oppresion
Attacks on the Press-2002
http://www.cpj.org/attacks02/americas02/ven.html
Video: Venezuela a real treat part 2.
Video: Venezuela a real treat part 3.
Video: Venezuela a real treat part 4.
Video: Venezuela a real treat part 5.
Video:Venezuelan version of freedom of speech
Video's last minutes show a wounded reporter by venezuelan soldiers
In 2004, the Venezuelan people marched against Chavez regime,
More then 200 000 people filled streets of Caracas. These are the pictures of the march.
And the governement's response .....
Video: Venezuelan Oppresion
Attacks on the Press-2002
http://www.cpj.org/attacks02/americas02/ven.html
If there is going to be any "flipping out", it had better be done in a civil manner, or there is going to be a multitude of clicking on my side of things over here. 
Venezolano excellent post, the truth is right there. Let's see Hugo supporters debunk these Videos..Venezolano said:
Why won't you let DARKBEAVER slumber in the darkness of his ignorance and in his inveterate leftist prejudices, and continue to disturb his sleepy mind and gratification of his wet dreams?
Why would you hate Chavez? He wants to be Robin Hood and people gravitate to that image as robbing from the rich to give to the poor strikes an emotional chord. Pablo Escobar did it in Medillin and that's why he was so hard to catch. Even Chavez's long speeches have precedent in Latin Amercia. And he is very machismo. Nothing he is doing is that different though.
This is a more business perspective on Latin America.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12885929/site/newsweek/
This is a more business perspective on Latin America.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12885929/site/newsweek/
sanch said:
Well sanch we frame it like we see it. And I see you have noticed that Asian countries like the Philippines are not on the list. The reason is that it's a failed state pushed into abject poverty by the United States and kept that way by the United States.
While you may not wish to examine the global state of affairs framed as left/right that is the reality of the world, free market globalism is a hugh success for trans-national corporations but a death sentence for the people. Socialism will prevail or else.
Well beaver I don’t think that the rigid version of socialism you see as an ideal will ever be achieved and I don’t see the US as simply evaporating and so we need to look for a systemic alternative that factors in these realities.
I was basically making an observation that the countries where the US has had the greatest influence are not on the list. My take on this is that it is in the interest of the US to keep these countries solvent while the Europeans had no such interest in Africa. They still milked their former colonies but they did not invest in any infrastructural or structural supports for the newly independent states. The US did. Why?
While fordism is pretty much on the decline in the US it is being seen for its potential in Latin American consumer markets. In the 20th century capitalism required raw materials for expansion and the US and Europe were the primary consumer markets. In the 21st century capitalism requires more consumers than the traditional markets can supply and the best way to create these consumers is to foster the growth of a middle class in India, Latin America and China.
With outsourcing, wireless and internet technology countries have the chance to participate in emerging markets to a degree they were unable to in the past.
There is nothing to prevent citizens of these countries from electing governments that will provide basic resources using a variant of the model you suggest.
I was basically making an observation that the countries where the US has had the greatest influence are not on the list. My take on this is that it is in the interest of the US to keep these countries solvent while the Europeans had no such interest in Africa. They still milked their former colonies but they did not invest in any infrastructural or structural supports for the newly independent states. The US did. Why?
While fordism is pretty much on the decline in the US it is being seen for its potential in Latin American consumer markets. In the 20th century capitalism required raw materials for expansion and the US and Europe were the primary consumer markets. In the 21st century capitalism requires more consumers than the traditional markets can supply and the best way to create these consumers is to foster the growth of a middle class in India, Latin America and China.
With outsourcing, wireless and internet technology countries have the chance to participate in emerging markets to a degree they were unable to in the past.
There is nothing to prevent citizens of these countries from electing governments that will provide basic resources using a variant of the model you suggest.
21st century capitalism requires more consumers than the traditional markets can supply. You purposely fail to see the problem with that statement or you don't know about the closed system we live in. How can the planet possibly support more consumerism? Do you advocate eating every stick and blade of grass in the world? The limits of capitalism have been reached all that remains is global war to end the capitalist nightmare once and for all.
You say socialism will never be realized, America is a fascist totalitarian police state today, that was never going to happen either. :lol:
You say socialism will never be realized, America is a fascist totalitarian police state today, that was never going to happen either. :lol: