hugo is the man
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It appears, at a closer look, that the NED is indeed somewhat.......questionable in its origins and finances.
Although I was amused to find the organization opposed by groups from both fringes.....left and right. Maybe they are doing something worthwhile!
Seriously, it appears the NED is not completely above board...........but the questions about Chavez and his "cult of personality" remain.
The guy is simply not trustworthy. He is, as I pointed out in the original post, a man has made it illegal to criticize him. HMMMMMM.
And, I don't believe his persecution of political opponents is legitimate.
Mark my words......this guy means BIG trouble for the freedom of Venezuela.
It is a shame the lower classes there have been pushed to the point they would accept this kind of insanity as necessary.
Although I was amused to find the organization opposed by groups from both fringes.....left and right. Maybe they are doing something worthwhile!
Seriously, it appears the NED is not completely above board...........but the questions about Chavez and his "cult of personality" remain.
The guy is simply not trustworthy. He is, as I pointed out in the original post, a man has made it illegal to criticize him. HMMMMMM.
And, I don't believe his persecution of political opponents is legitimate.
Mark my words......this guy means BIG trouble for the freedom of Venezuela.
It is a shame the lower classes there have been pushed to the point they would accept this kind of insanity as necessary.
Yeah just looked up NED, sounds like what you would call a horse or something.
However it does have a really shaky record. And is opposed by both right-wing and left-wing people. But for opposite reasons.
However it does have a really shaky record. And is opposed by both right-wing and left-wing people. But for opposite reasons.
Re: RE: hugo is the man
The persecution as you put it is more correctly seen to be prosecution. Chavez means freedom for Venezuela and her people,if not for him they would be enslaved by capitalists forever.
It worrys me that you seem to understand something about the NED (nationalal endowment for democracy) but do not recognized that organizations such as this have been used for decades to interfere in internal domestic affairs of many target nations, the organization is as anti-democratic as you can get, it is literally a terrorist founded and funded outfit responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Canada will have to endure elevated levels of this type of interferance in the coming years as we are swallowed up by the US. You constantly spout American propaganda that originates from neo-con right wing organizations such as the NED who have sponsered and continue to sponser death squads wherever they operate hiding under the word democracy.
Colpy said:It appears, at a closer look, that the NED is indeed somewhat.......questionable in its origins and finances.
Although I was amused to find the organization opposed by groups from both fringes.....left and right. Maybe they are doing something worthwhile!
Seriously, it appears the NED is not completely above board...........but the questions about Chavez and his "cult of personality" remain.
The guy is simply not trustworthy. He is, as I pointed out in the original post, a man has made it illegal to criticize him. HMMMMMM.
And, I don't believe his persecution of political opponents is legitimate.
Mark my words......this guy means BIG trouble for the freedom of Venezuela.
It is a shame the lower classes there have been pushed to the point they would accept this kind of insanity as necessary.
The persecution as you put it is more correctly seen to be prosecution. Chavez means freedom for Venezuela and her people,if not for him they would be enslaved by capitalists forever.
It worrys me that you seem to understand something about the NED (nationalal endowment for democracy) but do not recognized that organizations such as this have been used for decades to interfere in internal domestic affairs of many target nations, the organization is as anti-democratic as you can get, it is literally a terrorist founded and funded outfit responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Canada will have to endure elevated levels of this type of interferance in the coming years as we are swallowed up by the US. You constantly spout American propaganda that originates from neo-con right wing organizations such as the NED who have sponsered and continue to sponser death squads wherever they operate hiding under the word democracy.
Trojan Horse:
The National Endowment for Democracy
excerpted from the book
Rogue State
A Guide to the World's Only Superpower
by William Blum
Common Courage Press, 2000
How many Americans could identify the National Endowment for Democracy? An organization which often does exactly the opposite of what its name implies. The NED was set up in the early 1980s under President Reagan in the wake of all the negative revelations about the CIA in the second half of the 1970s. The latter was a remarkable period. Spurred by Watergate-the Church Committee of the Senate, the Pike Committee of the House and the Rockefeller Commission, created by the president, were all busy investigating the CIA. Seemingly every other day there was a new headline about the discovery of some awful thing, even criminal conduct, the CIA had been mixed up in for years. The Agency was getting an exceedingly bad name, and it was causing the powers-that-be much embarrassment.
Something had to be done. What was done was not to stop doing these awful things. Of course not. What was done was to shift many of these awful things to a new organization, with a nice sounding name-the National Endowment for Democracy. The idea was that the NED would do somewhat overtly what the CIA had been doing covertly for decades, and thus, hopefully, eliminate the stigma associated with CIA covert activities.
It was a masterpiece. Of politics, of public relations and of cynicism. Thus it was that in 1983, the National Endowment for Democracy was set up to "support democratic institutions throughout the world through private, nongovernmental efforts". Notice the "nongovernmental"-part of the image, part of the myth. In actuality, virtually every penny of its funding comes from the federal government, as is clearly indicated in the financial statement in each issue of its annual report. NED likes to refer to itself as an NGO (non-governmental organization) because this helps to maintain a certain credibility abroad that an official US government agency might not have. But NGO is the wrong category. NED is a GO.
Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, was quite candid when he said in 1991: "A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA." In effect, the CIA has been laundering money through NED.
The Endowment has four principal initial recipients of funds: the International Republican Institute; the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs; an affiliate of the AFL-CIO (such as the American Center for International Labor Solidarity); and an affiliate of the Chamber of Commerce (such as the Center for International Private Enterprise). These institutions then disburse funds to other institutions in the US and all over the world, which then often disburse funds to yet other organizations.
In a multitude of ways, NED meddles in the internal affairs of foreign countries by supplying funds, technical know-how, training, educational materials, computers, fax machines, copiers, automobiles and so on, to selected political groups, civic organizations, labor unions, dissident movements, student groups, book publishers, newspapers, other media, etc. NED programs generally impart the basic philosophy that working people and other citizens are best served under a system of free enterprise, class cooperation, collective bargaining, minimal government intervention in the economy and opposition to socialism in any shape or form. A freemarket economy is equated with democracy, reform and growth, and the merits of foreign investment are emphasized.
From 1994 to 1996, NED awarded 15 grants, totaling more than $2,500,000, to the American Institute for Free Labor Development, an organization used by the CIA for decades to subvert progressive labor unions. AlFLD's work within Third World unions typically involved a considerable educational effort very similar to the basic NED philosophy described above. The description of one of the 1996 NED grants to AIFLD includes as one its objectives: "build union-management cooperation". Like many things that NED says, this sounds innocuous, if not positive, but these in fact are ideological code words meaning "keep the labor agitation down...don't rock the status quo boat". The relationship between NED and AIFLD very well captures the CIA origins of NED.
The Endowment has funded centrist and rightist labor organizations to help them oppose those unions which were too militantly proworker. This has taken place in France, Portugal and Spain amongst many other places. In France, during the 1983-4 period, NED supported a "trade union-like organization for professors and students" to counter "left-wing organizations of professors". To this end it funded a series of seminars and the publication of posters, books and pamphlets such as "Subversion and the Theology of Revolution" and "Neutralism or Liberty". ("Neutralism" here refers to being unaligned in the Cold War.)
NED describes one of its 1997-98 programs thusly: "To identify barriers to private sector development at the local and federal levels in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and to push for legislative change...[and] to develop strategies for private sector growth." Critics of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic have been supported by NED grants for years.
In short, NED's programs are in sync with the basic needs and objectives of the New World Order's economic globalization, just as the programs have for years been on the same wavelength as US foreign policy.
Because of a controversy in 1984-when NED funds were used to aid a Panamanian presidential candidate backed by Manuel Noriega and the CIA-Congress enacted a law prohibiting the use of NED funds "to finance the campaigns of candidates for public office." But the ways to circumvent the spirit of such a prohibition are not difficult to come up with; as with American elections, there's "hard money" and there's "soft money".
... NED successfully manipulated elections in Nicaragua in 1990 and Mongolia in 1996 and helped to overthrow democratically elected governments in Bulgaria in 1990 and Albania in 1991 and 1992. In Haiti in the late l990s, NED was busy working on behalf of right wing groups who were united in their opposition to former president Jean-Bertrand Aristide and his progressive ideology. NED has made its weight felt in the electoral-political process in numerous other countries.
NED would have the world believe that it's only teaching the ABCs of democracy and elections to people who don't know them, but in all five countries named above there had already been free and fair elections held. The problem, from NED's point of view, is that the elections had been won by political parties not on NED's favorites list.
The Endowment maintains that it's engaged in "opposition building" and "encouraging pluralism". "We support people who otherwise do not have a voice in their political system," said Louisa Coan, a NED program officer. But NED hasn't provided aid to foster progressive or leftist opposition in Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua or Eastern Europe-or, for that matter, in the United States even though these groups are hard pressed for funds and to make themselves heard. Cuban dissident groups and media are heavily supported however.
NED's reports carry on endlessly about "democracy", but at best it's a modest measure of mechanical political democracy they have in mind, not economic democracy; nothing that aims to threaten the powers-that-be or the way-things-are, unless of course it's in a place like Cuba.
The Endowment played an important role in the Iran-Contra affair of the 1980s, funding key components of Oliver North's shadowy "Project Democracy" network, which privatized US foreign policy, waged war, ran arms and drugs and engaged in other equally charming activities. At one point in 1987, a White House spokesman stated that those at NED "run Project Democracy". This was an exaggeration; it would have been more correct to say that NED was the public arm of Project Democracy, while North ran the covert end of things. In any event, the statement caused much less of a stir than if-as in an earlier period-it had been revealed that it was the CIA which was behind such an unscrupulous operation.
NED also mounted a multi-level campaign to fight the leftist insurgency in the Philippines in the mid-1980s, funding a host of private organizations, including unions and the media. This was a replica of a typical CIA operation of pre-NED days.
And between 1990 and 1992, the Endowment donated a quarter-million dollars of taxpayers' money to the Cuban-American National Fund, the ultra-fanatic anti-Castro Miami group. The CANF, in turn, financed Luis Posada Carriles, one of the most prolific and pitiless terrorists of modern times, who was involved in the blowing up of a Cuban airplane in 1976, which killed 73 people. In 1997, he was involved in a series of bomb explosions in Havana hotels.
The NED, like the CIA before it, calls what it does supporting democracy. The governments and movements whom the NED targets call it destabilization.
The National Endowment for Democracy
excerpted from the book
Rogue State
A Guide to the World's Only Superpower
by William Blum
Common Courage Press, 2000
How many Americans could identify the National Endowment for Democracy? An organization which often does exactly the opposite of what its name implies. The NED was set up in the early 1980s under President Reagan in the wake of all the negative revelations about the CIA in the second half of the 1970s. The latter was a remarkable period. Spurred by Watergate-the Church Committee of the Senate, the Pike Committee of the House and the Rockefeller Commission, created by the president, were all busy investigating the CIA. Seemingly every other day there was a new headline about the discovery of some awful thing, even criminal conduct, the CIA had been mixed up in for years. The Agency was getting an exceedingly bad name, and it was causing the powers-that-be much embarrassment.
Something had to be done. What was done was not to stop doing these awful things. Of course not. What was done was to shift many of these awful things to a new organization, with a nice sounding name-the National Endowment for Democracy. The idea was that the NED would do somewhat overtly what the CIA had been doing covertly for decades, and thus, hopefully, eliminate the stigma associated with CIA covert activities.
It was a masterpiece. Of politics, of public relations and of cynicism. Thus it was that in 1983, the National Endowment for Democracy was set up to "support democratic institutions throughout the world through private, nongovernmental efforts". Notice the "nongovernmental"-part of the image, part of the myth. In actuality, virtually every penny of its funding comes from the federal government, as is clearly indicated in the financial statement in each issue of its annual report. NED likes to refer to itself as an NGO (non-governmental organization) because this helps to maintain a certain credibility abroad that an official US government agency might not have. But NGO is the wrong category. NED is a GO.
Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, was quite candid when he said in 1991: "A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA." In effect, the CIA has been laundering money through NED.
The Endowment has four principal initial recipients of funds: the International Republican Institute; the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs; an affiliate of the AFL-CIO (such as the American Center for International Labor Solidarity); and an affiliate of the Chamber of Commerce (such as the Center for International Private Enterprise). These institutions then disburse funds to other institutions in the US and all over the world, which then often disburse funds to yet other organizations.
In a multitude of ways, NED meddles in the internal affairs of foreign countries by supplying funds, technical know-how, training, educational materials, computers, fax machines, copiers, automobiles and so on, to selected political groups, civic organizations, labor unions, dissident movements, student groups, book publishers, newspapers, other media, etc. NED programs generally impart the basic philosophy that working people and other citizens are best served under a system of free enterprise, class cooperation, collective bargaining, minimal government intervention in the economy and opposition to socialism in any shape or form. A freemarket economy is equated with democracy, reform and growth, and the merits of foreign investment are emphasized.
From 1994 to 1996, NED awarded 15 grants, totaling more than $2,500,000, to the American Institute for Free Labor Development, an organization used by the CIA for decades to subvert progressive labor unions. AlFLD's work within Third World unions typically involved a considerable educational effort very similar to the basic NED philosophy described above. The description of one of the 1996 NED grants to AIFLD includes as one its objectives: "build union-management cooperation". Like many things that NED says, this sounds innocuous, if not positive, but these in fact are ideological code words meaning "keep the labor agitation down...don't rock the status quo boat". The relationship between NED and AIFLD very well captures the CIA origins of NED.
The Endowment has funded centrist and rightist labor organizations to help them oppose those unions which were too militantly proworker. This has taken place in France, Portugal and Spain amongst many other places. In France, during the 1983-4 period, NED supported a "trade union-like organization for professors and students" to counter "left-wing organizations of professors". To this end it funded a series of seminars and the publication of posters, books and pamphlets such as "Subversion and the Theology of Revolution" and "Neutralism or Liberty". ("Neutralism" here refers to being unaligned in the Cold War.)
NED describes one of its 1997-98 programs thusly: "To identify barriers to private sector development at the local and federal levels in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and to push for legislative change...[and] to develop strategies for private sector growth." Critics of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic have been supported by NED grants for years.
In short, NED's programs are in sync with the basic needs and objectives of the New World Order's economic globalization, just as the programs have for years been on the same wavelength as US foreign policy.
Because of a controversy in 1984-when NED funds were used to aid a Panamanian presidential candidate backed by Manuel Noriega and the CIA-Congress enacted a law prohibiting the use of NED funds "to finance the campaigns of candidates for public office." But the ways to circumvent the spirit of such a prohibition are not difficult to come up with; as with American elections, there's "hard money" and there's "soft money".
... NED successfully manipulated elections in Nicaragua in 1990 and Mongolia in 1996 and helped to overthrow democratically elected governments in Bulgaria in 1990 and Albania in 1991 and 1992. In Haiti in the late l990s, NED was busy working on behalf of right wing groups who were united in their opposition to former president Jean-Bertrand Aristide and his progressive ideology. NED has made its weight felt in the electoral-political process in numerous other countries.
NED would have the world believe that it's only teaching the ABCs of democracy and elections to people who don't know them, but in all five countries named above there had already been free and fair elections held. The problem, from NED's point of view, is that the elections had been won by political parties not on NED's favorites list.
The Endowment maintains that it's engaged in "opposition building" and "encouraging pluralism". "We support people who otherwise do not have a voice in their political system," said Louisa Coan, a NED program officer. But NED hasn't provided aid to foster progressive or leftist opposition in Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua or Eastern Europe-or, for that matter, in the United States even though these groups are hard pressed for funds and to make themselves heard. Cuban dissident groups and media are heavily supported however.
NED's reports carry on endlessly about "democracy", but at best it's a modest measure of mechanical political democracy they have in mind, not economic democracy; nothing that aims to threaten the powers-that-be or the way-things-are, unless of course it's in a place like Cuba.
The Endowment played an important role in the Iran-Contra affair of the 1980s, funding key components of Oliver North's shadowy "Project Democracy" network, which privatized US foreign policy, waged war, ran arms and drugs and engaged in other equally charming activities. At one point in 1987, a White House spokesman stated that those at NED "run Project Democracy". This was an exaggeration; it would have been more correct to say that NED was the public arm of Project Democracy, while North ran the covert end of things. In any event, the statement caused much less of a stir than if-as in an earlier period-it had been revealed that it was the CIA which was behind such an unscrupulous operation.
NED also mounted a multi-level campaign to fight the leftist insurgency in the Philippines in the mid-1980s, funding a host of private organizations, including unions and the media. This was a replica of a typical CIA operation of pre-NED days.
And between 1990 and 1992, the Endowment donated a quarter-million dollars of taxpayers' money to the Cuban-American National Fund, the ultra-fanatic anti-Castro Miami group. The CANF, in turn, financed Luis Posada Carriles, one of the most prolific and pitiless terrorists of modern times, who was involved in the blowing up of a Cuban airplane in 1976, which killed 73 people. In 1997, he was involved in a series of bomb explosions in Havana hotels.
The NED, like the CIA before it, calls what it does supporting democracy. The governments and movements whom the NED targets call it destabilization.
hugo IS the man
yes---somewhat repressive and authoritarian
even propagandist strategies maybe required in order to
turn the tide
let it be
its called leadership
and it is for a good cause
the cause
i dont support that war crime in iraq
i do support chavez and morales 100%
que viva venezuela
que viva america-- as in south and central
yes---somewhat repressive and authoritarian
even propagandist strategies maybe required in order to
turn the tide
let it be
its called leadership
and it is for a good cause
the cause
i dont support that war crime in iraq
i do support chavez and morales 100%
que viva venezuela
que viva america-- as in south and central
I've Been to Cuba myself but not to a resort yet, to the city of Havana. It was interesting to see the poeple and interact with them. Though I was there as apart of the deligation from Canada, it I found the poeple to be very liberal minded.
cortezzz, like all the pathologically incurable votaries of the left, always falling over their low-grades in history, is now adding another portrait in the Rogues Gallery of leftist idols, that of Hugo Chavez. Whose warped and misplaced economic and political schemes will inevitably retard the economic development of Venezuela, and impoverish its people.
I will let the people of Venezuela determine who leads them. They voted for Chavez, I hope he meets their expectations.
I personally think he's going to ruin the country as most leftist leaders do. Unlike Cuba, Venezuela won't have an ideological big brother to prop them up when their trading partners turn their backs.
I personally think he's going to ruin the country as most leftist leaders do. Unlike Cuba, Venezuela won't have an ideological big brother to prop them up when their trading partners turn their backs.
Well, I think Jersay is gonna be laughing all the way to Caracas.
You guys enjoy your hot date as she squishes into the seat at Mcdonalds to chow down her plastic fries.
Jersay is probably on a fantastic beach with a meal of fresh seafood and fruit washed down with cold Polar beers, as he contemplates the fine scenery and comes to a complete understanding of why Venezuela invariably wins both the Miss World and Miss Universe competitions.......
You guys enjoy your hot date as she squishes into the seat at Mcdonalds to chow down her plastic fries.
Jersay is probably on a fantastic beach with a meal of fresh seafood and fruit washed down with cold Polar beers, as he contemplates the fine scenery and comes to a complete understanding of why Venezuela invariably wins both the Miss World and Miss Universe competitions.......
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195672,00.html
Venezuela Threatens to Sell F-16 Fleet to Iran
So the US is supposed to supply upgrades for those planes and if we don't we are putting Venezuela in a position of not being able to defend itself? from who? America? :lol:
Chavez is nuts.
Venezuela Threatens to Sell F-16 Fleet to Iran
So the US is supposed to supply upgrades for those planes and if we don't we are putting Venezuela in a position of not being able to defend itself? from who? America? :lol:
Chavez is nuts.