Hudson Bay polar bear numbers increase

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Kakato said:
Quit fearmongering,even the Innuit that live all up that coast would call B.S.
Thats why they did the civil disobediance defense shooting thing a few years ago,surely you heard about it? When fearmongerers like you talked the govt. into cutting the polar bear quota because of drowning polar bears?
I was in these communities at that time so I saw it with my own eyes and trust me,these bears are not underwieght.
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You write the mist unmitigated nonsense. Who cares that you were somewhere near Polar Bear territory at some time. That does not make you expert on to what is happening to them. And what ius hapopening to them actually needs no visual experience. The dramatic loss of ice and the shortened winter season can produce no other effect than Polar Bear loss and their malnutrition. No other outcome is physically possible.

The surveys you poo poo in favour of a conversation with someone who is not what you claim him to be are government commissioned and also by many independent scientific bodies. They also cover the whole world not just what is outside your igloo.

And accusations of fearmongering are the coin of deniers everywhere who have nothing to support their ridiculous anti-science propaganda.
 
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Cabbagesandking said:
You write the mist unmitigated nonsense. Who cares that you were somewhere near Polar Bear territory at some time. That does not make you expert on to what is happening to them. And what ius hapopening to them actually needs no visual experience. The dramatic loss of ice and the shortened winter season can produce no other effect than Polar Bear loss and their malnutrition. No other outcome is physically possible.

The surveys you poo poo in favour of a conversation with someone who is not what you claim him to be are government commissioned and also by many independent scientific bodies. They also cover the whole world not just what is outside your igloo.

And accusations of fearmongering are the coin of deniers everywhere who have nothing to support their ridiculous anti-science propaganda.
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You knew polar bears are omnivorous, right?
 
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Cabbagesandking said:
You write the mist unmitigated nonsense. Who cares that you were somewhere near Polar Bear territory at some time. That does not make you expert on to what is happening to them. And what ius hapopening to them actually needs no visual experience. The dramatic loss of ice and the shortened winter season can produce no other effect than Polar Bear loss and their malnutrition. No other outcome is physically possible.

The surveys you poo poo in favour of a conversation with someone who is not what you claim him to be are government commissioned and also by many independent scientific bodies. They also cover the whole world not just what is outside your igloo.

And accusations of fearmongering are the coin of deniers everywhere who have nothing to support their ridiculous anti-science propaganda.
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I spent close to 5 years next to the arctic circle in all seasons in an uninsulated prospectors tent,if you can hack one year your considered very good,2 years and your a keekee kablunak.I know someone in every village and hamlet from the west side of hudsons bay,to Cambridge and YK.
I been around mon ami and not once have I seen a skinny polar bear and those are my pics,dead belugas wash up on the shore of the hudsons bay all the time,bears are opportunists and very lazy when it comes to getting a meal,if they see a dead beluga onshore every 5 miles they will keep going after they finish the first one hoping for another.
 
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INTRODUCTION



Polar bears (Liepens, 1993). However, there are few records of polar
bear predation on large terrestrial mammals. Derocher et

al. (2000) documented several observations of polar bears

preying on Svalbard reindeer (


R. t. platyrhynchus).

Ovsyanikov (1996) noted a muskox that may have been

killed by a polar bear. F. Miller (pers. comm. 2000)

observed a female polar bear with cubs chasing muskox

and caribou on Bathurst Island. An Inuk from Resolute

told I. Stirling of a muskox killed on the sea ice by a polar

bear, and an Inuk from Tuktoyaktuk told him of a polar

bear unsuccessfully chasing reindeer on the Tuktoyaktuk

Peninsula along the southern Beaufort Sea (I. Stirling,

pers. comm. 2000). This paper describes observations

made of a polar bear stalking and chasing caribou in

Wapusk National Park, Manitoba, 3 km inland from the

Hudson Bay coast. Our observations were made

opportunistically, during a vegetation sampling project,

from a tower ~3.5 m above ground level.


DESCRIPTION OF OBSERVATION


At 20:15 local daylight time on 16 July 1998, a subadult

polar bear of unknown sex was observed approaching a

group of approximately 120 grazing caribou. The wind

was blowing from the north-northwest at approximately

20 km/h, and the bear was 500 m downwind. The bear

generally kept its head down, below shoulder level, stopping

every five seconds to face the caribou as it approached.

The bear moved slowly along the inside edge of.....








 
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Damn global warming! My buddys a conservation officer up in Qikiqtarjuaq and sent me these yesterday,enjoy!



 
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Heh,it all melts by end of june,very quickly when it cant go into the ground because of permafrost.End of September it freezes again,by january the ice will be gaining one inch a day.I have done ice profiles over 11 feet deep.
 
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It's amazing how many people dont realize that the ice in the arctic melts every year and refreezes every year.Thats how they get all these pics of polars standing on small ice floes,their actually hunting seals but dont tell the environuts that,it looks better if they can fearmonger folks into bieleving that this is the last iceberg left in the world.

Heres some pics from Goose lake camp where I was at last year south of Cambridge bay,they filmed a lot of ice pilots up here this year.

Momma Momma! Are you drowning????


Damn that was close,we allmost drowned!

Wolverine or starving bear?
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/289_32672182344_502157344_942721_211_n.jpg
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http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/289_32672242344_6137_n.jpg

Thought I would throw this in.Unloading a plane in the arctic,dont matter if your a mine inspector or the guy burning pacto bags....you help out.
 
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Nuggler said:
Great pics, Kakato. A land of stark beauty. But it's a place where I'm glad I'm not.

brrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Well I absolutely hate the cold but your so surrounded by awesomness that its hard to describe.
I used to start out on huge jets and eventually wind up in a chopper for the final fly in to camp.
one hour drive to Lethbridge,one hour flight to Calgary on a 1900 beechcraft,hop on a westjet new jet to Edmonton,then a 747 to Winterpeg,then a saab turboprop to Thompson and Churchill(this is where the awesomness begins)then it's off along the west coast of hudsons bay,chestrfield inlet,whale cove,Arviat,we land at all of them,then Rankin inlet,Baker lake and its then a single otter or chopper ride the rest of the way,you put your own seat in the otter if you want to get to camp.
The flight over the Hudsons in the summer is awesome,you can see pods of belugas and killer whales following them.The water is so cyrstal clear and clean that even at 18,000 feet you can still see the bottom of every lake and some of them are over 275 feet deep.
Most of the lowlands are only ten feet above sea level,lots of lakes and the worlds largest fresh water supply,you can drink water anywhere off the tundra where the melting permafrost pools.

It is totally huge,you can fly for hours without seeing a single hamlet or any roads because there is none.
You dont feel the cold when you watch the northern lights.
I do love the arctic.
 
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lone wolf said:
I heard it called magnificent desolation ...and from what I saw (when I wasn't peering into a screen) it was just that - hours and hours worth of it....
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It is impossible to describe!
Once you start flying over Hudsons bay there is no turning back,you take on a new mindset to just do your 7 weeks and go home,and you start enjoying the freedom that you are there stuck after about the second day.
Some dont,seperation anxiety will make lots of guys fake heart attacks just to get home after one day.
One trip up there will change the way you look at life.

Flying into camp at 2am in a chopper,just u and the pilot after 24 hours straight flying and at 2am haveing to wear sunglasses in the bell,thats awesome.
 
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Kakato said:
It is impossible to describe!
Once you start flying over Hudsons bay there is no turning back,you take on a new mindset to just do your 7 weeks and go home,and you start enjoying the freedom that you are there stuck after about the second day.
Some dont,seperation anxiety will make lots of guys fake heart attacks just to get home after one day.
One trip up there will change the way you look at life.

Flying into camp at 2am in a chopper,just u and the pilot after 24 hours straight flying and at 2am haveing to wear sunglasses in the bell,thats awesome.
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I did it in aging Argus ... are they Arguses, Argi? Secretly, we worried more about an engine conking out and having to put in at Resolute or Alert....
 
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What is truly amazing, kakato, is that you claim all this experience but you have not the foggiest notion of what you are talking about. Do we really have to go into the facts about the great loss of ice in the Arctic. The shrinking extent and volume. Do you not know that the ice free season has extended by several weeks and that old ice in large areas has gone for good?

Are you unaware that the mean Arctic temperature has increased by some 5C over what it was just thirty years ago and that it is the most rapidly warming region of the world as all that albedo (among other reasons) disappears?

Relate your pictures to those at si,ilar times in earlier years and also not in midwinter.
 
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Cabbagesandking said:
What is truly amazing, kakato, is that you claim all this experience but you have not the foggiest notion of what you are talking about. Do we really have to go into the facts about the great loss of ice in the Arctic. The shrinking extent and volume. Do you not know that the ice free season has extended by several weeks and that old ice in large areas has gone for good?

Are you unaware that the mean Arctic temperature has increased by some 5C over what it was just thirty years ago and that it is the most rapidly warming region of the world as all that albedo (among other reasons) disappears?

Relate your pictures to those at si,ilar times in earlier years and also not in midwinter.
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The ice melts every june,I have to laugh at you numptys who are experts on the arctic yet have never been there and prolly never left your hometown,sorry bud but I hold reclamation awards for my work up there so maybe im a lil more experienced then you or your cronies who prolly would be the guys coming into camp that would fake a heart attack just to get the hell home to momma!

lol!

I share my pics every chance I get,I have about 5000 and I do it because I am very fortunate that a bad joke that sent me to the arctic in the first place had me sent to the arctic.

I also have over 70 videos on youtube from the arctic under the username zigmiester if your interested on what it really is like up there,feel free to cruise my vids,they are there for one thing and thats others enjoyment who cant see it in person.

I have been in the arctic many years.I know what the ice does,you dont have a clue,not a fricken clue.

It is idiots like you that make my job harder trying to reclaim spots in the arctic that really need it.
 
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First, what makes you think I have never been there? But that is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you seem to have suffered a brain freeze during your time there that has never properly melted.

This link will give you some idea of Arctic Ice conditions. It will also say what all the bodies that monitor sea ice say: that an ice free summer Arctic is not far away.

Notice the graphs. Extent, and volune are declining dramatically.

RealClimate: Arctic Sea Ice Volume: PIOMAS, Prediction, and the Perils of Extrapolation
 
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