How will the media try and take down Andrew Scheer?

Vbeacher

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Rejoice that we now live in a better world. Still more work to do. Some day being nice won't just be a personality trait of the Conservative party leader, but actually inform his policy.

The Left always seems to believe that 'nice' is a term reserved for big-spending politicians with no morals or values. They think conservatives aren't nice because they're always trying to take away their free stuff, just because we can't afford them. Nasty conservatives! Just keep borrowing money! What could go wrong!?
 

White_Unifier

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What the cons don't get is that the last election moved Canada farther to the left. Most Canadians want progressive social policies, not the same old BS about "lower taxes and balancing the budget" a catch phrase that usually means bigger tax breaks for the wealthy and erosion of social services. In addition, Scheer got a lot of support from the Conservative Party equivalent of the GOP, you know, the anti-abortion homophobic, anti-immigration crowd. Those policies are not only divisive, but most Canadians are hostile to them. Good luck to any Harper clone who tries to push them.

So what did you think of Mulcair's desire to balance the budget?

That actually attracted me to him. I remember asking my local NDP candidate where she personally stood on balancing the budget (just to cover for any floor crossing since I didn't want it to be a lost vote) and a few other policy areas that the party platform didn't cover, and I liked some of her ideas. I ended up voting for her. But as per my voting record, she didn't win.

Just goes to show that a person doesn't need to be an admire of national bankruptcy to be progressive.

You've never heard him speak? Not a single um or uh or the word challenge will be heard.
I actually can forgive Trudeau that.

Somee people just aren't good public speakers. The hope is that he could compensate by being a good writer with solid long-term ideas. That I can't forgive him.
 

JLM

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What do you expect from a retired government employee? Certainly not the type to support taxpayer rights.



Yeah, but you can't "tar them all with the same brush", TS. I've known several good ones, they aren't all there for quitting time and pay day!

What the cons don't get is that the last election moved Canada farther to the left. Most Canadians want progressive social policies, not the same old BS about "lower taxes and balancing the budget" a catch phrase that usually means bigger tax breaks for the wealthy and erosion of social services. In addition, Scheer got a lot of support from the Conservative Party equivalent of the GOP, you know, the anti-abortion homophobic, anti-immigration crowd. Those policies are not only divisive, but most Canadians are hostile to them. Good luck to any Harper clone who tries to push them.


But "lower taxes" and "balancing the budget" HAS to be the basic platform. Would you run your household any other way? The frills are good, but they have to come AFTER the basics are paid for. Otherwise you're into the revolving door syndrome, throwing good money after bad paying interest! :) :) Why would anyone be trying to "take down" Andrew Scheer before he's had a chance to do anything?
 

White_Unifier

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I admit I know little about Scbeer. I know in general terms that he's viewed as a social conservative, but I am not familiar with the details of his brand of social conservatism. I consider myself socially conservative too, but often find myself at odds with others wearing the same label. So the details will matter.

What I have read is that he favors CANZUK free movement but opposes free trade with China. That gives me the impression that he might be an ethnonationist in favor of a closed CANZUK. From my observation, social conservatism and ethnonationism often go hand in hand in Canada. That is often the main source of contention between me and other social conservatives and what can be a deal breaker for me.

Trudeau is in favor of at least freer trade with China. To my mind through, free trade is comparatively superficial compared to freedom of movement. With that in mind, Trudeau could easily outdo Scheer by supporting both an open CANZUK and freer trade with China.

Beyond that, I would like to know where Scheer stands on balanced budgets. I like a government that will reduce expenditure but not fanatically reduce taxes but to focus on paying the debt instead.

I would like to know more detail on what kind of social conservative he is. Again, many forms of social conservatism exist, some of which even I would find to be distasteful.
 

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But "lower taxes" and "balancing the budget" HAS to be the basic platform.



Lower taxes don't have to be part of the basic platform. Our taxes are already relatively low. corporate taxes are ridiculously low. When you think about the services we get, our taxes are incredibly low.
 

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Lower taxes don't have to be part of the basic platform. Our taxes are already relatively low. corporate taxes are ridiculously low. When you think about the services we get, our taxes are incredibly low.

If you think our taxes are low I need your accountant's phone #. I pay way too much in taxes for little return. Now we have a government that not only wants to raise taxes but eliminate our jobs and much of the resource sector.
 

White_Unifier

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Lower taxes don't have to be part of the basic platform. Our taxes are already relatively low. corporate taxes are ridiculously low. When you think about the services we get, our taxes are incredibly low.

Though I don't agree with corporate taxes, I do agree that taxes need to be high enough to cover expenditure.

When Harper cut spending in key areas, I applauded him (though he increased it in others u fortunately), but then he undermined balancing the budget with excessive tax cuts.

Though I favor tax cuts in principle, as a fiscal conservative I believe that these tax cuts should dovetail with debt reduction. Harper fanatically just cut taxes at all cost.

Worse yet, rather than a simple tax structure, he introduce bureaucracy y-heavy deductions for this a d deductions for that. The more complicated the system is, the more inefficient and staff-heavy it will be to administer.
 

JLM

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If you think our taxes are low I need your accountant's phone #. I pay way too much in taxes for little return. Now we have a government that not only wants to raise taxes but eliminate our jobs and much of the resource sector.


Well, I think we do have to concede that arguably one of the best health systems in the World does take a huge bite out of our pocket books, but is there really a better way? Most of us probably wouldn't want to find out! I think many of our other services are over inflated and people should be encouraged to provide for themselves what they can.
 

White_Unifier

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Well, I think we do have to concede that arguably one of the best health systems in the World does take a huge bite out of our pocket books, but is there really a better way? Most of us probably wouldn't want to find out! I think many of our other services are over inflated and people should be encouraged to provide for themselves what they can.

I think k one of the European two-time systems would be preferable to Canada's fanatically comparatively exclusively public model.
 

taxslave

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Well, I think we do have to concede that arguably one of the best health systems in the World does take a huge bite out of our pocket books, but is there really a better way? Most of us probably wouldn't want to find out! I think many of our other services are over inflated and people should be encouraged to provide for themselves what they can.
Don't equate expensive with good.
Our health system is not run very efficiently. We have expensive equipment sit idle because of union rules and poor organization. The bureaucracy is top heavy which is added cost. Wait times are unnecessarily long.
 

White_Unifier

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Well, I think we do have to concede that arguably one of the best health systems in the World does take a huge bite out of our pocket books, but is there really a better way? Most of us probably wouldn't want to find out! I think many of our other services are over inflated and people should be encouraged to provide for themselves what they can.

Actually, European two-tiered public-private systems provide a bigger bang for the buck than Canada's fanatically one-tiered public system.