Noone is willing to debate politics with me significantly Vanni. I am outside your little circle, thus, all that happens is non stop subject changing, irrelevent, unrelated arguing and attempts at thread killing which certain individuals have openly admitted to.
How we treat prostitutes
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Gordon J Torture said:
I take some responsibility in how you've been treated here Gord, as I could have done a better job of keeping your threads on topic, but I can't be everywhere at once, and I'm at work right now...
Having said that, there is nothing I can do to make people accept your politics Gord...the best I can do is try to facilitate an honest discussion, but there are a lot of threads to follow...
The best advice I can give you is to use the report button if you feel you are being treated unfairly. The report button can be found at the bottom right of every post. This will notify any moderator that is logged onto the forum that a complaint has been lodged, and we follow up on every report.
Other than that, I hope that you can find your way here, as some of your ideas intrigue me somewhat...and we don't have a true communist on the board, to my knowledge...
A lot of posts so far have drawn comparisons to social programs in place in the Netherlands, particularily in Amsterdam. Now sure prostitution there is regulated, accepted and "cleaner" than it is in cities like Vancouver, but there is a LOT more of it, precicely because it is legal. The Netherlands, by legalising prostitution, have made Amsterdam into the whore-house of Europe, with patrons from all over the continent. Does any one here want a red-light district of that scale popping up in Vancouver or Toronto?
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Yes. I'd prefer to know exactly where it is....rather then see them walking down the street. or hitchhiking by my house...or using a vacant car by my house or using the bushes by my house.
If I know where they are I won't inadvertently walk by them...
Since I'll be in Amersterdam in Aug...and I plan on having a look through the red light district I'll then be able to judge the size factor.
Yes. I'd prefer to know exactly where it is....rather then see them walking down the street. or hitchhiking by my house...or using a vacant car by my house or using the bushes by my house.
If I know where they are I won't inadvertently walk by them...
Since I'll be in Amersterdam in Aug...and I plan on having a look through the red light district I'll then be able to judge the size factor.
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It amazes me that in the 21st century the government still regulates sex. If an individual wants to sell his/her body for sex, what business is it for us to tell them otherwise? Its their body is it not? Why is government still dictating to us what goes on behind bedroom doors. I see no difference between that and a promiscuous person who sleeps with someone different every night. By legalizing it, you'll at least bring it out into the spotlight, and at least make it safer for some. And you'll probably diminish the influence of organized crime. Organized criminal gangs thrive because their trade is illegal. Legalize it and you'll drive many of those scum out.
It amazes me that in the 21st century the government still regulates sex. If an individual wants to sell his/her body for sex, what business is it for us to tell them otherwise? Its their body is it not? Why is government still dictating to us what goes on behind bedroom doors. I see no difference between that and a promiscuous person who sleeps with someone different every night. By legalizing it, you'll at least bring it out into the spotlight, and at least make it safer for some. And you'll probably diminish the influence of organized crime. Organized criminal gangs thrive because their trade is illegal. Legalize it and you'll drive many of those scum out.
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An excellent suggestion Air. But then the unions would have to get involved, SAG would want their cut and the johns would become big stars as their wives watch them on the big screen.
An excellent suggestion Air. But then the unions would have to get involved, SAG would want their cut and the johns would become big stars as their wives watch them on the big screen.
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Heeeeeeeey, the possibilities. Reality TV is getting a little dry. Perhaps Hooker TVTM may help reguvinate the reality show genre and take it to an even lower level.
NickFun said:
Heeeeeeeey, the possibilities. Reality TV is getting a little dry. Perhaps Hooker TVTM may help reguvinate the reality show genre and take it to an even lower level.
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Good idea Jo. Maybe we could have the "I Wanna Be A Hooker" show with 7 gals competing to be the best hooker with one girl getting voted off each show.
Good idea Jo. Maybe we could have the "I Wanna Be A Hooker" show with 7 gals competing to be the best hooker with one girl getting voted off each show.
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I likes it.
In fact, to help with clothing trends aiming towards younger people the sponsers would gladly pay for the "Prostatot" format of I Wanna be a Hooker
I better get my patent in.
NickFun said:
I likes it.
In fact, to help with clothing trends aiming towards younger people the sponsers would gladly pay for the "Prostatot" format of I Wanna be a Hooker
I better get my patent in.
'Maybe we could have the "I Wanna Be A Hooker" show with 7 gals competing to be the best hooker with one girl getting voted off each show."
Isn't that what they do on The Bachelor? Oh, I forgot that they use a lot of euphemisms.
Isn't that what they do on The Bachelor? Oh, I forgot that they use a lot of euphemisms.
Keep prostitution illegal, and maybe fine the perpetrators.
As for victimization, certainly help the prostitutes get off the streets. But I'm incapable of immagining any woman voluntarily entering prostitution, be it human force, hunger, poverty or what have you. I can only see it as exploitative any way one looks at it.
As for victimization, certainly help the prostitutes get off the streets. But I'm incapable of immagining any woman voluntarily entering prostitution, be it human force, hunger, poverty or what have you. I can only see it as exploitative any way one looks at it.
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No, it's legal to sell, and legal to buy, but not legal to solicit. In other words, you can't ask for money, or offer money for sex.
You can do it, but you can't talk about it.
Dumb law.
Twila said:
No, it's legal to sell, and legal to buy, but not legal to solicit. In other words, you can't ask for money, or offer money for sex.
You can do it, but you can't talk about it.
Dumb law.
Many here have suggested legalizing prostitution because these women are poor and so have no other option.
Hasn't anyone considered our collective responsibility in this then? How can we as a society allow women (or men, sinse some posters here brought up male prostitution) to fall to such a desperate situation in the first place? If the issue is poverty, then we have a collective responsibility to help. And if it's greed (i.e., the prostitute isn't poor but simply wants more money) then it ought not be tolerated, considering the social concequences involved. It's not just AIDS (you can solve that with a condom), but rather the wide range exploitation of women, a rising divorce rate, the pormotion of women as sex objects in the general psyche, and even, believe it or not, the harassement of men who don't want to participate in extreme cases such as in China, where prostitution is absolutely everywhere, salons, hotels, bath houses, KTV's, it never seases to amaze where I'll be offered it next.
In most cities here where I go for the first time, I'll run into it unintentionally sinse they use different fronts in different places. It's not like you only find it in red-lighted houses here, where it's obvious. There are many places where a foreigner wouldn't even guess that they'd have it by just looking at the building from the outside. And needless to say it's offensive when we walk in and then find out it's there! In the end, it's equal to harassement. Strange that we're now bringing up sexual harassement on the part of females towards males, sinse the topic is usually in reverse, but in the end, men have equal right to not have to face such harassement as the women.
So in the end, legalizing prostitution would in fact end letteing many people off the hook for their responsibilities:
1. Poor women wouln'd be expected to seek help anymore.
2. Society as a whole would no longer need to concern itself with the poor and poverty (after all, that's what prostitution is for, right?).
3. The prostitutes from showing general respect and courtecy for the people in the cities in which they live by invading every place where one might find a bed or private room (Hotels, bath houses, etc.; I'd even walked into a KTV with some friends and co-workers, just for us to run out in shock less than a minute later when we realised that it was just a more subtle brothel using a decent KTV as a front (and both the women and men in our group were equally offended by it), which is absolutely offensive and insulting to our dignity as human beings. I've even seen obvious brothels next foor to or across the street from primary and middle schools and even kindergartens, with University districts crawling with them!
These are collective responsibilities we must consider before we just abandon them and legalize prostitution. Once it becomes 'acceptable', people will start washing their hands of the problem, at which stage it would just become epicemic.
Hasn't anyone considered our collective responsibility in this then? How can we as a society allow women (or men, sinse some posters here brought up male prostitution) to fall to such a desperate situation in the first place? If the issue is poverty, then we have a collective responsibility to help. And if it's greed (i.e., the prostitute isn't poor but simply wants more money) then it ought not be tolerated, considering the social concequences involved. It's not just AIDS (you can solve that with a condom), but rather the wide range exploitation of women, a rising divorce rate, the pormotion of women as sex objects in the general psyche, and even, believe it or not, the harassement of men who don't want to participate in extreme cases such as in China, where prostitution is absolutely everywhere, salons, hotels, bath houses, KTV's, it never seases to amaze where I'll be offered it next.
In most cities here where I go for the first time, I'll run into it unintentionally sinse they use different fronts in different places. It's not like you only find it in red-lighted houses here, where it's obvious. There are many places where a foreigner wouldn't even guess that they'd have it by just looking at the building from the outside. And needless to say it's offensive when we walk in and then find out it's there! In the end, it's equal to harassement. Strange that we're now bringing up sexual harassement on the part of females towards males, sinse the topic is usually in reverse, but in the end, men have equal right to not have to face such harassement as the women.
So in the end, legalizing prostitution would in fact end letteing many people off the hook for their responsibilities:
1. Poor women wouln'd be expected to seek help anymore.
2. Society as a whole would no longer need to concern itself with the poor and poverty (after all, that's what prostitution is for, right?).
3. The prostitutes from showing general respect and courtecy for the people in the cities in which they live by invading every place where one might find a bed or private room (Hotels, bath houses, etc.; I'd even walked into a KTV with some friends and co-workers, just for us to run out in shock less than a minute later when we realised that it was just a more subtle brothel using a decent KTV as a front (and both the women and men in our group were equally offended by it), which is absolutely offensive and insulting to our dignity as human beings. I've even seen obvious brothels next foor to or across the street from primary and middle schools and even kindergartens, with University districts crawling with them!
These are collective responsibilities we must consider before we just abandon them and legalize prostitution. Once it becomes 'acceptable', people will start washing their hands of the problem, at which stage it would just become epicemic.
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I wonder how much of the "victimization" and "objectification" of women in prostitution is the result of our current "feelings" towards it.
The girls I knew (way back in the day) sure didn't feel victimized.
Many of them refused to work 9 hr days for $5 an hour (at that time) when they could make $500+ in less then 4hrs.
After how many years of it being illegal we're no better off at preventing it, fixing it, correcting it, or making life better for those who "choose" to do it.
I say "choose" because many of them have choosen that lifestyle. It may be a bad choose. They may not have had all the "facts' but a choice made by them non the less
I wonder how much of the "victimization" and "objectification" of women in prostitution is the result of our current "feelings" towards it.
The girls I knew (way back in the day) sure didn't feel victimized.
Many of them refused to work 9 hr days for $5 an hour (at that time) when they could make $500+ in less then 4hrs.
After how many years of it being illegal we're no better off at preventing it, fixing it, correcting it, or making life better for those who "choose" to do it.
I say "choose" because many of them have choosen that lifestyle. It may be a bad choose. They may not have had all the "facts' but a choice made by them non the less
I think what Machjo is trying to say is that we shouldn't live in a society where women have to make that choice. Single mothers shouldn't have to live in poverty and only have prostituting themselves as a way to make ends meet. And I know a girl who was abused by a boyfriend and forced into it. And if she tried to get out he threatened to tell her parents. She eventually ran away. She told me about it and it took lots of therapy to get over it (telling me helped her feel better too). We need more money from the government to help. What about those women who are brought over here from third world countries, then having there visas taken and forced into the sex trade to pay for it. It happens in Toronto and Vancouver all the time. How will legalizing it end that?