How Warmonger Churchill Destroyed the British Empire

[Sons of Liberty]

[FONT=&quot]The Butterfly Effect proves that you only need a major warmonger to transform a minor incident to world war. Winston Spencer Churchill's sadomasochist career lasted half a century, and no other Western warmonger was more calamitous for his country and civilization than Churchill. More than any other kleptocrat, in 1914 and 1939, Churchill lusted for war, his weird ac-dc foreplay, and pushed his country to turn two European wars into world wars. Both times, he succeeded, and those wars, that together took the lives of a hundred million Europeans, were the most infamous mortal blows on humanity. If Churchill did not interfere, Hitler could have wiped out communism from the surface of Earth by 1942.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] Adolf Hitler had limited geopolitical aims, just to liberate Eastern Europe from the yoke of communism, but the excitable warmonger Churchill overreacted. Hitler was not out to conquer the world, he loved and admired Britons, he let the British army evacuate from Dunkirk, and he built a defensive line between Germany and France, the Siegfried Line. Churchill's decision to bomb a shattered Germany between January and May 1945 was a war crime. When Churchill entered the inner Cabinet as First Lord in 1911, Britain was the first nation on Earth and ruler of the greatest empire since Rome. The sun never set on the British Empire. When Churchill left in 1945, Britain was a poor island. He was a Great Man, at the cost of his country's greatness.

Before becoming premier, Churchill received envoys from Hitler in 1938 and met with Nazi Ambassador Joachim von Ribbentrop, who sought to convince Churchill, who favored war, of the benefits of appeasement. Ribbentrop, the host, and Churchill stood together in front of an enormous map in the German Embassy in London, while Ribbentrop explained how the Germans could eliminate communism. He assured Churchill that the British Empire would be left untouched. Churchill, however, was not convinced.[/FONT]
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Most Americans opposed entry into World War II, primarily because they had experienced the destructive idiocy of U.S. intervention into World War I, a war that accomplished nothing more than the wasteful sacrifice of thousands of American lives, not to mention giving rise to Adolf Hitler and, ultimately, World War II. Even though World War II saved Europe from the Nazis, the Eastern Europeans were delivered into the hands of America's communist partner in WW II, the Soviet Union.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Great Britain is now Little Britain, a slave state yoked to Brussels. Its fall was inevitable, but the economic crisis will shrink the last pretenses of empire faster than anyone expected. Suddenly, the sun that once never set on the British Empire is casting long shadows over what's left of Britain's imperial past. [/FONT][/FONT]
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This is a watershed moment for Uncle Ken (UK). The country's public debt is soaring. The great engine room of British prosperity, the financial sector, now feels like an anchor. The glory days of London are now grinding to a halt. The main symbol of Britain's global might, London found financing for some of the earliest and most prominent multinational companies, and has had greater influence on global finance than Westminster has had on geopolitics.

VENITISM: HOW WARMONGER CHURCHILL DESTROYED THE BRITISH EMPIRE
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[Blackleaf]

Churchill lusted for war,

Bull****.

For a start, Churchill wasn't Prime Minister of Britain either at the start of WWI or the start of WWII.

his weird ac-dc foreplay, and pushed his country to turn two
European wars into world wars.

In fact, it was Germany which started both world wars, and Britain was justified in each case to put an end to Germany's nefarious deeds.

Adolf Hitler had limited geopolitical aims, just to liberate Eastern Europe from the yoke of communism,

I was also of the impression that he was also desperate to start a 1,000 year German Reich, populated by Aryans with blue eyes and blond hair, with all the Jews, Communists, gypsies, gays, Slavs and other people he didn't like eradicated to make way for it.

but the excitable warmonger Churchill overreacted.

Yeah. Damn that Churchill for declaring war on that nice man Hitler.

Hitler was not out to conquer the world

No. Just Europe.

he loved and admired Britons,

Thanfully, the British didn't love and admire him, otherwise Europeans would now all be speaking German and living in a 1000 year German Reich.

he let the British army evacuate from Dunkirk,

Oh yeah. He was a lovely man, our Adolf.

and he built a defensive line between Germany and France, the
Siegfried Line.

No, he didn't. The Siegfried Line was built during WWI.

Churchill's decision to bomb a shattered Germany between January and
May 1945 was a war crime.

Nowhere near as great a war crime as the Holocaust.

When Churchill entered the inner Cabinet as First Lord in 1911, Britain was the
first nation on Earth and ruler of the greatest empire since Rome. The sun never
set on the British Empire. When Churchill left in 1945, Britain was a poor
island. He was a Great Man, at the cost of his country's greatness.

It was WWII which shattered Britain, not Churchill. Britain sacrifices a lot - even her empire - for Europe's freedom.

In fact, if you don't include military fatalities, Britain probably sacrificed and lost a lot more than any of the other Victors of WWII.

Before becoming premier, Churchill received envoys from Hitler in 1938
and met with Nazi Ambassador Joachim von Ribbentrop, who sought to convince
Churchill, who favored war, of the benefits of appeasement.

Churchill met with von Ribbentrop in 1937 at the German Embassy in London. Von Ribbentrop offered Churchill Germany's protection for Britain if Britain was to give Germany a "free hand" in eastern Europe. Thankfully,Churchill rejected such a notion, and Ribbentrop responded "n that case, war is inevitable."

Ribbentrop explained how the Germans could eliminate communism.

And Jews, and gypsies, and homosexuals, and Slavs, etc........

Its fall was inevitable,
but the economic crisis will shrink the last pretenses of empire faster than
anyone expected. Suddenly, the sun that once never set on the British Empire is
casting long shadows over what's left of Britain's imperial
past.

And yet the IMF has just increased its economic growth forecast for Britain in 2013, and increased it at a higher rate than any other major Western economy, and a time when the world economy is on a downturn again.

. The glory days of London are now grinding to a halt.

The Germans and French set that over a decade ago when the euro were introduced, telling us that Berlin and Frankfurt will overtake London as a financial setting because of Britain's refusal to join the euro.

Instead, what actually happened is that London actually pulled FURTHER ahead of Paris and Frankfurst as a financial centre.

 

[Jonny_C]

From the site:

"Venitism is a new libertarian paradigm which integrates politics, economics, ethics, and spirituality. Basil Venitis, venitis@gmail.com"

Congratulations on finding a crackpot site and regurgitating the drivel here.

 

[WLDB]

In fact, if you don't include military fatalities, Britain probably sacrificed and lost a lot more than any of the other Victors of WWII.

Include military fatalities or not, the Soviet Union by far lost more people than any other allied country.

For the most part I agree with your post in this thread which feels a bit odd. Im not used to it.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

What a load of bull****, Churchill was in the political wilderness for most of the 1930s when the buildup to WW II was going on, it was the Soviets and the Nazis making almost all the aggressive moves in that period.

Both Hitler and Stalin were violently purging their own societies and beginning to dominate their neighbours in the 1930s and from the mid 1920s to 1933 the Germans and Soviets were working together to develop modern weapons and tactics.

German Military in the Soviet Union 1918-1933

By the time the war finally broke out no other nation had close to the offensive capabilities of either nation and the Soviets had been carrying out corps level airborne drops in mid 1930s long before any other nation.

It was the military pact signed by Stalin and Hitler in August of 1939 that started the war, how was Churchill respsonsible for that. The Nazis invaded Poland at the start of Sept 1939 and the Soviets rolled in two weeks later. The Soviets also sent massive amounts of material that allowed the German military to function as well as it did after the war began including oil, rubber, strategic metals and wheat.

The whole point of the Soviet Union according to Bolshevik ideology was the spread of communism worldwide and under Stalin that was by force. And I think it's naive to believe that someone as mentally unbalanced as Hitler could have controlled his megalomania as he began to conquer and annex his neighbours.

Churchill may have been a staunch Imperialist, but he didn't start either war, WW I was the result of a very complex network of alliances and the Imperial ambitions of a number of states of which Britain was just one. I doubt anyone could have forseen a political assassination in Sarajevo touching off a global conflict, but as countries mobilized to meet treaty obligations that's what happened. And the German Army didn't need to invade to the west in 1914, even the Kaiser opposed that action, but his military commanders stated that prewar plans demanded that they attack into France first then Russia.

 

[Zipperfish]

Hityler could have wiped out Communism? That's his excuse for staying out of the war. Yeah, thing is...German National Socialism...not really a viable alternative to Communism. :lol:

 

[Goober]

Butterfly effect. Guess they do not understand it.
Butterfly effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[darkbeaver]

The war was started by bankers Churchill was a notorious drunk and a sexual deviant. You know he wore diapers in parliament because he frequently crapped himself.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Butterfly effect. Guess they do not understand it.
Butterfly effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you're a theoretical physicist now?

Chaos theory is hugely complex, I seriously doubt that Churchill was in any position to predict what his actions would do, or to act as a sinlge lever to create such massive responses in the global political system. Both wars were the result of many complex factors of which Churchill was a small part and until the crisis of 1940 not even as a leader of a nation involved.

People like Hitler and Stalin as absolute dictators were in much better positions to force the world into war in the 1930s than Churchill, for most of that decade even his own party wouldn't listen to him.

 

[Zipperfish]

The war was started by bankers Churchill was a notorious drunk and a sexual deviant. You know he wore diapers in parliament because he frequently crapped himself.

Hitler was a teetotaller who didn't drink or smoke. Apart from a tendency to invade his neighbours and ruthlessly murder civilians by the millions, he was a real moral pillar of the community.

Know why Hitler didn't drink? Made him mean. :lol:

So you're a theoretical physicist now?

Chaos theory is hugely complex, I seriously doubt that Churchill was in any position to predict what his actions would do, or to act as a sinlge lever to create such massive responses in the global political system. Both wars were the result of many complex factors of which Churchill was a small part and until the crisis of 1940 not even as a leader of a nation involved.

People like Hitler and Stalin as absolute dictators were in much better positions to force the world into war in the 1930s than Churchill, for most of that decade even his own party wouldn't listen to him.

Chaos theory is, to be perfectly correct, chaotic, not complex. ha ha ha.

Humans are really bad at predicting anything. The least predicatble thing we know of is probably war. WWI, in particular, strikes me as a great example of the Butterfly Effect. Or a Black Swan event.

 

[Nuggler]

The war was started by bankers Churchill was a notorious drunk and a sexual deviant. You know he wore diapers in parliament because he frequently crapped himself.

:lol::lol::lol:..............He wasn't making a Victory sign. He was smelling his fingers.

Awww, that's uncalled for. He was the best of what they had at the time and raised moral when it needed raising.

Hadn't been for Winnie, a lot of people would have done the lemming and jumped into the ocean. Picture it. They had this psycho across the channel whom they believed was coming to invade. Germans had better equipment, more men in uniform, and a plan. Everyone was scared and rightly so.

What SHOULD piss people off is the leaders of the "allies" had the chance to stop Hitler long before he could do any damage.................the rest being history.

 

[Goober]

So you're a theoretical physicist now?

Chaos theory is hugely complex, I seriously doubt that Churchill was in any position to predict what his actions would do, or to act as a sinlge lever to create such massive responses in the global political system. Both wars were the result of many complex factors of which Churchill was a small part and until the crisis of 1940 not even as a leader of a nation involved.

People like Hitler and Stalin as absolute dictators were in much better positions to force the world into war in the 1930s than Churchill, for most of that decade even his own party wouldn't listen to him.

As to the OP - He only posted a link- No where does he endorse it.
But that as usual went over, way over BL's head.

Nope- Not one- Read about the effect itself.
I was referring to the link and how they use it.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Here's what the "evil" Churchill was up to in the pivotal years leading up to WW II.

As I Knew Him: Churchill in the Wilderness

A typical day when Churchill was working at Chartwell began with his taking breakfast in bed. There he read his newspapers and letters and would dictate answers and directions to one of his secretaries (two were usually on duty during the day). Then he went into the garden to engage in building and other activities. He came in around twelve o'clock and I was called in to help with work on his book on Marlborough. Usually this consisted in my showing him letters I had copied out at Blenheim Palace, and giving him passages I had marked in books I had bought for him at a shop he had long patronized near Charing Cross. After lunch he returned to the garden again. Later he worked until he bathed and changed for dinner.

After dinner, which usually lasted two hours from 8:30 to 10:30, he would join the ladies, who had long since left the table. Over the port and cigars the conversation generally consisted of a monologue. I was once there when a son of President Roosevelt was a guest. For his benefit Churchill gave us an explanation of the working of the American Constitution, a feat that amused me. Sometimes he quoted poetry that he had learned at Harrow school, or even sang a little. But he was never a bore, invariably witty and entertaining. Some writers have claimed that he had wit but not humour. However, he could certainly see a joke against himself.

I'm not sure how breakfast in bed, building, gardening, writing and long formal dinners at Chartwell created the butterfly effect that kicked WW II off. He was there because of a break with his own party. The British rebuilt their military in response to the Nazi remilitarization which had been aided by years of assistance by the Soviets. Churchill didn't get called back into politics until the crisis had already begun.

During the years I worked for Churchill he broke with the Conservative party over the Government's policy on India. Mind you, he was absolutely right in forecasting that the price of independence would be the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of lives. But after the war he admitted that he had been otherwise wrong over India. He was also strongly opposed during the 1930s to the introduction of a protective tariff on imports, especially if this involved taxing food or raw materials. So in January 1930 he resigned from the Shadow Cabinet and was virtually ostracized by most leaders of the Conservative party. When I was at Chartwell only Robert Boothby and one other Member of Parliament visited him there.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Bull****.

For a start, ...etc.

An articulate and incisive refutation. Nicely done.

 

[Jonny_C]

What a load of bull****, Churchill was in the political wilderness for most of the 1930s when the buildup to WW II was going on, it was the Soviets and the Nazis making almost all the aggressive moves in that period...

Good post. You said many of the things I didn't have the patience to say. Especially since the OP was so ridiculous.

As to the OP - He only posted a link- No where does he endorse it.
But that as usual went over, way over BL's head.

When something like that is posted without comment it's assumed that the poster agrees with it. Otherwise, why bother? Unless it's a lazy troll, which it might be, considering that the OP hasn't made a single personal comment since.

 

[Nuggler]

Johnny:"Unless it's a lazy troll, which it might be, considering that the OP hasn't made a single personal comment since.""

BINGO

 

[Colpy]

The Butterfly Effect proves that you only need a major warmonger to transform a minor incident to world war. Winston Spencer Churchill's sadomasochist career lasted half a century, and no other Western warmonger was more calamitous for his country and civilization than Churchill. More than any other kleptocrat, in 1914 and 1939, Churchill lusted for war, his weird ac-dc foreplay, and pushed his country to turn two European wars into world wars. Both times, he succeeded, and those wars, that together took the lives of a hundred million Europeans, were the most infamous mortal blows on humanity. If Churchill did not interfere, Hitler could have wiped out communism from the surface of Earth by 1942.

Adolf Hitler had limited geopolitical aims, just to liberate Eastern Europe from the yoke of communism, but the excitable warmonger Churchill overreacted. Hitler was not out to conquer the world, he loved and admired Britons, he let the British army evacuate from Dunkirk, and he built a defensive line between Germany and France, the Siegfried Line. Churchill's decision to bomb a shattered Germany between January and May 1945 was a war crime. When Churchill entered the inner Cabinet as First Lord in 1911, Britain was the first nation on Earth and ruler of the greatest empire since Rome. The sun never set on the British Empire. When Churchill left in 1945, Britain was a poor island. He was a Great Man, at the cost of his country's greatness.

Before becoming premier, Churchill received envoys from Hitler in 1938 and met with Nazi Ambassador Joachim von Ribbentrop, who sought to convince Churchill, who favored war, of the benefits of appeasement. Ribbentrop, the host, and Churchill stood together in front of an enormous map in the German Embassy in London, while Ribbentrop explained how the Germans could eliminate communism. He assured Churchill that the British Empire would be left untouched. Churchill, however, was not convinced.

Most Americans opposed entry into World War II, primarily because they had experienced the destructive idiocy of U.S. intervention into World War I, a war that accomplished nothing more than the wasteful sacrifice of thousands of American lives, not to mention giving rise to Adolf Hitler and, ultimately, World War II. Even though World War II saved Europe from the Nazis, the Eastern Europeans were delivered into the hands of America's communist partner in WW II, the Soviet Union.

Great Britain is now Little Britain, a slave state yoked to Brussels. Its fall was inevitable, but the economic crisis will shrink the last pretenses of empire faster than anyone expected. Suddenly, the sun that once never set on the British Empire is casting long shadows over what's left of Britain's imperial past.

This is a watershed moment for Uncle Ken (UK). The country's public debt is soaring. The great engine room of British prosperity, the financial sector, now feels like an anchor. The glory days of London are now grinding to a halt. The main symbol of Britain's global might, London found financing for some of the earliest and most prominent multinational companies, and has had greater influence on global finance than Westminster has had on geopolitics.

VENITISM: HOW WARMONGER CHURCHILL DESTROYED THE BRITISH EMPIRE

"Adolf Hitler had limited geopolitical aims, just to liberate Eastern Europe from the yoke of communism,"

Yeah, that is why Hitler invaded annexed Austria, reclaimed the Rhineland, and invaded Czechoslovakia........and then Poland. And then Belguim, Holland, France, North Africa......... All to save eastern Europe from the Communists. Oh, and that is why he butchered 6 million Jews too.....Marxists all.

Whoever wrote the article above is an idiot.

In the 30s, Churchill was a visionary.

 

[Goober]

"Adolf Hitler had limited geopolitical aims, just to liberate Eastern Europe from the yoke of communism,"

Yeah, that is why Hitler invaded annexed Austria, reclaimed the Rhineland, and invaded Czechoslovakia........and then Poland. And then Belguim, Holland, France, North Africa......... All to save eastern Europe from the Communists. Oh, and that is why he butchered 6 million Jews too.....Marxists all.

Whoever wrote the article above is an idiot.

In the 30s, Churchill was a visionary.

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He posted an article- Where does he agree with it?

Good post. You said many of the things I didn't have the patience to say. Especially since the OP was so ridiculous.



When something like that is posted without comment it's assumed that the poster agrees with it. Otherwise, why bother? Unless it's a lazy troll, which it might be, considering that the OP hasn't made a single personal comment since.

Nope- Locutus posts a number of these articles- it drives discussion on a variety of points of contention, prevents the Forum from going stale. Which is just what the Forum needs.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

He posted an article- Where does he agree with it?

I rarely post stuff I don't agree with at least without some bold lettering. Lacking any other comment, it is reasonable to assume the OP agreed with said piece.

 

[Goober]

I rarely post stuff I don't agree with at least without some bold lettering. Lacking any other comment, it is reasonable to assume the OP agreed with said piece.

Good point but.
The only bolding is in the link. So I copied it. And it show as??

VENITISM: HOW WARMONGER CHURCHILL DESTROYED THE BRITISH EMPIRE