How to right the Conservative ship

[coldstream]

I don't follow the logic. How is trade bad between states but good between provinces? Given that it's the same thing, it should logically be bad in both cases or good in both cases.

It starts with the focus of the economic organization being the nation. It does not discourage trade, which is beneficial and constructive within managed national objectives. Its principles begin with full employment, fair distribution of wealth, integrated industrial development.

Its not a new idea. When Adam Smith and David Ricardo and Thomas Malthus were developing the logic of Free Trade and (the latter) Social Liberalism (the two are inextricably linked) in the 18th Century they had opponents.. Friedrich List in Germany, Jean Baptiste Colbert in France, Alexander Hamilton in the U.S.

What became known as the National System worked wherever it was implemented. Leading to explosive growth, industrialization, the establishment of a Middle Class.. and shared prosperity. Where it has collapsed, replaced with 'Free' Markets, wealth is polarized, the economy becomes impermanent and unpredictable... and decline inevitably results.

 

[Walter]

I lost faith in Conservatives when heart lost out to head and emphasis went from people to big business. There were a lot more happy people when the gap between wealth and poverty wasn't quite so wide

The gap has always been this wide and will always be this wide

 

[lone wolf]

I disagree ... and your holier-than-thou attitude is one of the reasons the Good Ship Lollipop foundered

Merry Christmas ya grumpy ol' fossil ;-)

 

[Corduroy]

They undermine all that as positive and vital in the nation and replace it with sinister sophistry, ulterior motives and failed promises. These policies ride a Pale Horse.. and on it rides Death.. The West and this Culture of Death is careening towards a reckoning.

Merry Christmas!

 

[coldstream]

Merry Christmas!

.. and a Happy New Year (shudder)

 

[damngrumpy]

The conservative party ceased to be the Conservative Party it was hijacked by Reform
with an agenda of going back to social conservatism Victorian style with a touch of
far right policy and Canadians will not go their in the mainstream. They have to be a
more centrist party. The Progressive Conservatives were an alternative at times but
the right wing agenda that was over the top.
The party does have to shed itself of negative responses that are in bad taste yes the
politically correct role does play a part in their demise. In fact they have to shed themselves
of some of the people with what is perceived as bad behavior. You know like the loud
mouth redneck attitudes being expressed in the US right now among certain leadership
hopefuls.
Canada and to a large extent America which is going from a melting pot to a multicultural
society is going to be less tolerant of those with extreme views. It is a long road and the
respect they once had has to be earned again with the right people it is attainable but at
present a long way off. They have maybe thirty percent of the voters that tells you something
As for a sizable opposition, if Trudeau does voter reform the Tories will have a longer way to
go as they will never achieve a majority again. The Liberals and the NDP with similar ideas
will hold a serious balance of power in Proportional Representation Even if the Tories got
forty five percent they would still be a minority under that system

 

[spaminator]

Very pretty lady and talented too.

too bad she got pummeled by chris brown.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEhy-RXkNo0

 

[taxslave]

I would like to see all political parties get the hell out of people's personal lives and stop micromanaging/ social engineering.
They waste time taking away so much personal responsibility and made laws about issues that people should be managing on their own.
The current two issues they are embroiled in are the 'spanking' law and 'assisted suicide'.
We already have laws against assault and murder to deal with those issues adequately.
Abortion, gay marriage, pension plan enforcement, minimum wage, all issues that people could deal with themselves with common sense, personal responsibility and innovation.
The conservatives were trying to encourage more personal choices for people, (i.e child care choices), Liberals seem to be intent on even more invasion into our personal lives.

TrudOWe is really a socialist that is embarrassed by being so unfortunate to be born with a gold spoon in his mouth. What he really hates is the middle class taxpayer.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

too bad she got pummeled by chris brown.

Too bad she went back to him.

 

[Mowich]

JMHO

And a good one it is, Dixie.

 

[Machjo]

Point in case.

Edited to add. Can you show me one drooling moron redneck policy the Conservatives enacted?

Some of its counter-terrorism legislation went too far. The CBSA has no oversight (though granted that was a problem since before Harper but he still had years to fox it). And as for future plans? A Barbaric Cultural Practices hotline?! What's wrong with 911?

As for other complaints, the other major parties would have been worse, so I'll bite my tongue on those points.

Interesting to note perhaps that none of my critique dealt with his economic policy.

 

[Glacier]

The reason why Trump is popular is the same reason Chretien was popular. He does not give in to attacks from the leftists and media as many conservatives do, nor try to shut down those attacks in a nasty way like Harper did. He speaks with confidence, and welcomes dissent so that he can counter it. And I say that as someone who isn't a fan of Trump.

The Conservatives need to gain confidence and get a backbone again. Let the left speak, but don't subvert their speech before they have a chance to put their feet in the mouths.

 

[damngrumpy]

It should be pointed out the polls are a one sided affair they are talking to Republican
Party Members. That means the people in that party are split. Republicans favor the
Donald not all Americans the same for the Democrats not all favor Clinton either.
The problem is most Americans are not for Donald and when the main election comes
most won't vote for ignorance and fear. Clinton knows the battle is coming and the
Democrats will take the White House because the real Republicans will be sacrificed
tor Demagogy of the highest order.
Many redneck Republicans might think he's a good choice and shucks to them he is
they don't see the big picture and that is alright it will keep those people out of office for
a long time

 

[gerryh]

Both the issue, of abortion and SSM were voted upon. Stephen Harper respected the outcome of the vote and said it would not be revisited.

You want to link to that vote on abortion please, cause I sure as hell don't remember any vote on abortion.

 

[DaSleeper]

Supreme Court, Morgentaler, 1988!
Not parliamentary vote!

 

[gerryh]

Supreme Court, Morgentaler, 1988!
Not parliamentary vote!

That's right, there has not been a vote in the House since Trudeau senior. At that time abortion was limited. The SC struck down Canada's abortion laws and at this time there is no law governing abortions at all. What this means, is that a woman can obtain an abortion right up to the time of delivery.

 

[Machjo]

It starts with the focus of the economic organization being the nation. It does not discourage trade, which is beneficial and constructive within managed national objectives. Its principles begin with full employment, fair distribution of wealth, integrated industrial development.

Its not a new idea. When Adam Smith and David Ricardo and Thomas Malthus were developing the logic of Free Trade and (the latter) Social Liberalism (the two are inextricably linked) in the 18th Century they had opponents.. Friedrich List in Germany, Jean Baptiste Colbert in France, Alexander Hamilton in the U.S.

What became known as the National System worked wherever it was implemented. Leading to explosive growth, industrialization, the establishment of a Middle Class.. and shared prosperity. Where it has collapsed, replaced with 'Free' Markets, wealth is polarized, the economy becomes impermanent and unpredictable... and decline inevitably results.

Link?

I agree that protectionism creates employment due to its inefficiency, but that employment comes at the cost of wealth. Free trade can cost jobs through efficiencies and economies of scale, but the money saved from these inefficiencies can be redirected towards more profitable investments.

If you'remind thinking of the post-war boom, of course. Much of Europe had to be rebuilt and Canadians and Americans, oppressed by taxes throughout the war, could finally start building their lives instead of armaments. This naturally led to a massive reconstruction boom that had nothing to do with protectionism. In fact free trade probably helped in keeping inflation from being worse than it was by promoting greater economic efficiency.

 

[tay]

Mulroney warns Tories they must regain Canadians' trust

Brian Mulroney won the biggest majority in Canadian history. And he suffered the worst defeat. But, if you really want to know what happened to the Conservative Party under Stephen Harper, you should ponder the differences between the two men.

In a recent speech before the Albany Club, Mulroney spoke of what changes the Conservatives would have to make after Harper's departure. The first change had to do with trust:

Here is a former leader warning Conservatives that they will only return to power “when Canadians feel they are worthy of their trust, that we reflect their values and that we offer them a vision of Canada that is grand, generous and true.”

He calls for his co-religionists to adopt a tone that rejects “harshness,” that understands Canadians and projects confidence. This is a rejection, without directly saying so, of the small, mean and narrow politics of the last government.

Mulroney took his inspiration from people who were not on the list of approved Conservative sources:

Mulroney buttressed his theme by citing Sir John A. Macdonald, the founder of his party. But Mulroney, knowing the properties of a good speech, is unafraid to quote from others, including Robert Kennedy, Theodore Sorensen and D’Arcy McGee. Heavens, he even cited Lester Pearson, whose good name John Baird and other Conservatives refused to utter.

And that was why Mulroney never underestimated Justin Trudeau:

He warned Conservatives publicly not to underestimate Justin Trudeau, which they did, and warned them privately that they would be defeated if they did not run a different campaign. He quietly predicted a Liberal majority 10 days before the election. He was right about his party and his country.

Cohen: Mulroney warns Tories they must regain Canadians’ trust | Ottawa Citizen

 

[Curious Cdn]

Mulroney warns Tories they must regain Canadians' trust

Boy the irony of that one. "Trust me" says Muldoon as he picks up the weekly envelope.

 

[Danbones]

well, we could use some of those sarah palin type bridges to no where around here
we just need someone trustable to sell them to us