How the GW myth is perpetuated

Cabbagesandking

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Odd that you should talk of maturity, locutus, while stamping your feet and claiming that nothing will convince you of scientific fact evidenced by massive amounts of research and decades of observational confirmation. The laws of physics obey your infantile wishes?

The world does not warm up and coll down as it always has. There are vastly different states in the Earth's history. It never takes less than several thousand years to warm up and, usually, longer to cool down again. In the PETM, the warming took tens of thousands of years and it was 200,000 years before the excess CO2 was removed from the atmosphere. Millions of years before the climate fully responded to what might be considered the norm for the era.

"There are many issues with this presentation. It seems to be a big Cherry Picking exercise.

1. Note all of the missing southern hemisphere data. There are operating weather stations during his time, but they are excluded from the analysis. Why?"

Why not. Most of the Earth's land surface is in the Northern Hemisphere and there are many measurements of the Southern Hemisphere that show the same warming.


"2. The period chosen, 1955-1999 leaves out the warmer 1930′s and the cooler 2000′s. Why?"

The 1930s were not warmer and the 1990s were not cooler. Look at the Charts.

"3. The period from 2000-present has no statistically significant warming. Leaving that period out biases the presentation."

As you have been shown many times, the period from 2000 to the present is the warmest period in the last 125,000 million years and is just a little off the highest since half a million before manlike creatures first appeared. It warmed at almost exactly the same rate as each decade from the mid 1970s has done. One decade has no scientific significance but the total for several decades is highly significant. Each decade from the 1970s has been warmer than the previous one. The 13 warmest years in the record have occurred in the last fifteen.


"4. The period chosen exhibits significant postwar growth, urbanization is not considered."

This is, of course, simply idiotic. The urban effects have been calculated by dozens of scientific studies. All confirm the warming trend.

"5. As for severe weather, Hansen ignores the fact that neither tornadoes nor hurricanes have shown any increase recently. Only smaller tornadoes show an increase, due to reporting bias thanks to easily affordable and accessible technology. NOAA’s SPC reports that July 2012 seems to be at a record low for tornadoes."

Hansen ignores nothing. Hurricanes and Tornadoes were not expected to show any increase in frequency. They are exhibiting a great increase in force and intensity. For tornadoes, they were predicted to be fewer in number because of the altitude where the warmer air masses are now - and more complications that is beyond the maturity you show.

"6. My latest results in Watts et al 2012 suggest surface station data may be biased warmer over the last 30 years."

As you have been exposed to in these threads, this is pure bunkum and Watts has made himself a laughing stock in rushing this to press when several studies have already proved his claim to be false. That makes this a fraud.

U.S. News and Greenpeace Collaborate on Global Warming



"We have written here and here about the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) project. The project’s goal was to carry out a comprehensive survey of recorded temperatures from as many locations around the world as possible, to develop the most accurate possible history of global temperatures from 1753 to 2011. It is still underway, but the group recently released a preliminary report, which finds that the Earth is somewhat warmer today than in 1753, and that average global temperature has increased 0.869 degree C since the 1950s."

Interesting that before the release of this report. Watts had said that he would accept the conclusions of the Best study. "Whatever they were." That is because he expected a study partly funded by Koch and led by a long time 'sceptic,' to produce another misrepresentation of the type he is best suited to reading. It escaped his attention that coauthors wre two respected scientists, one a Nobel prize winning (and currently active) scientist who would not lend their manes and expertise to another fraudulent paper.

The Earth is not only somewhat warmer today than in 1753: it is just a little off the high from 125,000 years ago and, within three or four more decades will surpass that to be just a little off the high of 3.2 million years ago.

"This conclusion is something of a yawner, since pretty much everyone has long assumed that the Earth is warmer now than it was during the Little Ice Age, and that there has been some warming in the last century. There are obvious holes in the BEST analysis. Here are just a few of them:"

With the information I just gave you, it should be clear to you that this also, is nonsense. It is also warmer, much warmer, that it was in the MWP and in the so-called Holocene maximum. 1c warmer and you can burn your skis.

"1) The work done so far covers only land measurements, so more than half of the Earth’s surface area, the oceans, are not represented."

So what? It represents land warming. It is not a secret that 90% of the radiative balance goes into the oceans. When that filters through, you won't want to know about the conditions that your heirs will inherit.

"2) The BEST data tell us nothing new about the causes of temperature fluctuations. The report does not attempt to measure or to explain the warm temperatures during Roman times and the Medieval Warm Period, the colder temperatures during the Dark Ages and the Little Ice Age, and so on. "

And why should it do any of that. It tells quite emphatically that the cause of this temperature change is anthropogenic warming caused by the burning of fossil fuels. Past fluctuations were due to natural variations that have been ruled out without leaving any room for doubt. If you, or Watts, would actually like to know about those other periods, you could read Mann and Bradley's paper that is still the seminal study - the Hockey Stick one. But neither of you would. It would be too upsetting.

All that is well researched and understood. It was not very warm during Roman Times or during the MWP. It was not very cold during the LIA and the Dark Ages are not a subject of warming or cooling: they are a cultural and political era. Depending on the part of the world, they existed and did not exist and, part of the era was within the so-called MWP. Part preceded it. Of course, many parts of the world did not know about our Dark Age or about the MWP since they experienced neither.

"3) The report does not attempt to explain the fact that satellite measurements, which are taken in the atmosphere where global warming should be taking place, do not show the warming trend that appears in land measurements."

Satellite measurements measure the same as every other form of measurement. The atmosphere is doing exactly as the models predicted it would. Only the lower stratosphere has shown any cooling. That is what it should be doing. The laws of physics demand it. And, NASA sent two satellites up in 2005 to measure the Troposphere and Stratosphere. They proved that the models were correct and that warming and cooling were happening in precisely the manner that the Planet in an increasing CO2 phase would be expected to do.

U.S. News and Greenpeace Collaborate on Global Warming | Power Line

Do yourself a favour and quit reading for comfort. Mystery stories may be good bedtime reading. Your fraudulent sources are not a mystery to any but the deniers: the frightened little minds that cannot face a truth that will hurt.

Watts is a fraud and a liar. He is one of the vilest creatures on this Planet since he has been rebutted by every genuine scientist that has ever responded or commented on his mischief. He has no excuse but vanity for the immense harm he is doing in persuading so many little minds to support the business interests that put their personal wealth before the lives of hundreds of millions - including their own offspring.
 
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petros

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Peace man. ;-)

I recognize them from DrTeeth and Electric Mayhem.
 

Locutus

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I recognize them from DrTeeth and Electric Mayhem.


They're the Joe Coolest.

Odd that you should talk of maturity, locutus, while stamping your feet and claiming that nothing will convince you of scientific fact evidenced by massive amounts of research and decades of observational confirmation. The laws of physics obey your infantile wishes?

The world does not warm up and coll down as it always has. There are vastly different states in the Earth's history. It never takes less than several thousand years to warm up and, usually, longer to cool down again. In the PETM, the warming took tens of thousands of years and it was 200,000 years before the excess CO2 was removed from the atmosphere. Millions of years before the climate fully responded to what might be considered the norm for the era.

"There are many issues with this presentation. It seems to be a big Cherry Picking exercise.

1. Note all of the missing southern hemisphere data. There are operating weather stations during his time, but they are excluded from the analysis. Why?"

Why not. Most of the Earth's land surface is in the Northern Hemisphere and there are many measurements of the Southern Hemisphere that show the same warming.


"2. The period chosen, 1955-1999 leaves out the warmer 1930′s and the cooler 2000′s. Why?"

The 1930s were not warmer and the 1990s were not cooler. Look at the Charts.

"3. The period from 2000-present has no statistically significant warming. Leaving that period out biases the presentation."

As you have been shown many times, the period from 2000 to the present is the warmest period in the last 125,000 million years and is just a little off the highest since half a million before manlike creatures first appeared. It warmed at almost exactly the same rate as each decade from the mid 1970s has done. One decade has no scientific significance but the total for several decades is highly significant. Each decade from the 1970s has been warmer than the previous one. The 13 warmest years in the record have occurred in the last fifteen.


"4. The period chosen exhibits significant postwar growth, urbanization is not considered."

This is, of course, simply idiotic. The urban effects have been calculated by dozens of scientific studies. All confirm the warming trend.

"5. As for severe weather, Hansen ignores the fact that neither tornadoes nor hurricanes have shown any increase recently. Only smaller tornadoes show an increase, due to reporting bias thanks to easily affordable and accessible technology. NOAA’s SPC reports that July 2012 seems to be at a record low for tornadoes."

Hansen ignores nothing. Hurricanes and Tornadoes were not expected to show any increase in frequency. They are exhibiting a great increase in force and intensity. For tornadoes, they were predicted to be fewer in number because of the altitude where the warmer air masses are now - and more complications that is beyond the maturity you show.

"6. My latest results in Watts et al 2012 suggest surface station data may be biased warmer over the last 30 years."

As you have been exposed to in these threads, this is pure bunkum and Watts has made himself a laughing stock in rushing this to press when several studies have already proved his claim to be false. That makes this a fraud.



Do yourself a favour and quit reading for comfort. Mystery stories may be good bedtime reading. Your fraudulent sources are not a mystery to any but the deniers: the frightened little minds that cannot face a truth that will hurt.

Watts is a fraud and a liar. He is one of the vilest creatures on this Planet since he has been rebutted by every genuine scientist that has ever responded or commented on his mischief. He has no excuse but vanity for the immense harm he is doing in persuading so many little minds to support the business interests that put their personal wealth before the lives of hundreds of millions - including their own offspring.


You seem upset.




If I were any more laid back I might be mistaken for one of them pot smokin' hippies. :lol:

Almost forgot your KoolAid:

 

taxslave

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Odd that you should talk of maturity, locutus, while stamping your feet and claiming that nothing will convince you of scientific fact evidenced by massive amounts of research and decades of observational confirmation. The laws of physics obey your infantile wishes?

The world does not warm up and coll down as it always has. There are vastly different states in the Earth's history. It never takes less than several thousand years to warm up and, usually, longer to cool down again. In the PETM, the warming took tens of thousands of years and it was 200,000 years before the excess CO2 was removed from the atmosphere. Millions of years before the climate fully responded to what might be considered the norm for the era.

"There are many issues with this presentation. It seems to be a big Cherry Picking exercise.

1. Note all of the missing southern hemisphere data. There are operating weather stations during his time, but they are excluded from the analysis. Why?"

Why not. Most of the Earth's land surface is in the Northern Hemisphere and there are many measurements of the Southern Hemisphere that show the same warming.


"2. The period chosen, 1955-1999 leaves out the warmer 1930′s and the cooler 2000′s. Why?"

The 1930s were not warmer and the 1990s were not cooler. Look at the Charts.

"3. The period from 2000-present has no statistically significant warming. Leaving that period out biases the presentation."

As you have been shown many times, the period from 2000 to the present is the warmest period in the last 125,000 million years and is just a little off the highest since half a million before manlike creatures first appeared. It warmed at almost exactly the same rate as each decade from the mid 1970s has done. One decade has no scientific significance but the total for several decades is highly significant. Each decade from the 1970s has been warmer than the previous one. The 13 warmest years in the record have occurred in the last fifteen.


"4. The period chosen exhibits significant postwar growth, urbanization is not considered."

This is, of course, simply idiotic. The urban effects have been calculated by dozens of scientific studies. All confirm the warming trend.

"5. As for severe weather, Hansen ignores the fact that neither tornadoes nor hurricanes have shown any increase recently. Only smaller tornadoes show an increase, due to reporting bias thanks to easily affordable and accessible technology. NOAA’s SPC reports that July 2012 seems to be at a record low for tornadoes."

Hansen ignores nothing. Hurricanes and Tornadoes were not expected to show any increase in frequency. They are exhibiting a great increase in force and intensity. For tornadoes, they were predicted to be fewer in number because of the altitude where the warmer air masses are now - and more complications that is beyond the maturity you show.

"6. My latest results in Watts et al 2012 suggest surface station data may be biased warmer over the last 30 years."

As you have been exposed to in these threads, this is pure bunkum and Watts has made himself a laughing stock in rushing this to press when several studies have already proved his claim to be false. That makes this a fraud.



Do yourself a favour and quit reading for comfort. Mystery stories may be good bedtime reading. Your fraudulent sources are not a mystery to any but the deniers: the frightened little minds that cannot face a truth that will hurt.

Watts is a fraud and a liar. He is one of the vilest creatures on this Planet since he has been rebutted by every genuine scientist that has ever responded or commented on his mischief. He has no excuse but vanity for the immense harm he is doing in persuading so many little minds to support the business interests that put their personal wealth before the lives of hundreds of millions - including their own offspring.
How is it that anyone that presents evidence that does not support you views is a fraud and a liar? Could it be you are projecting your faults on others?
 

Cabbagesandking

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How is it that anyone that presents evidence that does not support you views is a fraud and a liar? Could it be you are projecting your faults on others?

Next you will show that "evidence." Or like Watts, threaten for years to produce evidence that does not exist.

Watts is a fraud and a liar. He is an uneducated man parading his dangerous ignorance to a segment of the population that needs a security blanket.

History abounds with charlatans and mountebanks like him. They usually do not get away with it for so long when truth is obvious.
 

beaker

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Steaming hot bull**** is a global warming driver.

There you go, petros has come around. He has managed to come to terms with at least one aspect of anthropogenic global warming. Still having trouble with attribution of said cause and effect, but it's gotta be progress. :)
 

petros

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Beaker and Cabbagefarts.​


I think the professor will have troubles even lighting a 1 watt bulb.

1 watt to run the brain...99 watts in wasted heat.
 

beaker

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Beaker and Cabbagefarts.​


I think the professor will have troubles even lighting a 1 watt bulb.

1 watt to run the brain...99 watts in wasted heat.

Awww, you've been saving that up haven't you, isn't that sweet. It is too bad there is no more substance than usual, but it is what one expects from you.
 

petros

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You've been smacked upside the head so many times with facts you're now a punch drunk moron with cauliflower ears. But that's okay. There is plenty of room in the mental health facilities to take care of your life long delusions.
 

petros

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Yo beaker...want something to do? Do up an EA, EIS and EPP stating why you are not a threat to the environment and should exist.

If you don't know what an EA or EIS or EPP are just ask.
 

beaker

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Yo beaker...want something to do? Do up an EA, EIS and EPP stating why you are not a threat to the environment and should exist.

If you don't know what an EA or EIS or EPP are just ask.


I would have thought that by now you would have noticed that I am fairly cognizant of economic/ecological research.